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by TYCOON
Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aerolineas Argentinas Resume JFK Service
Replies: 19
Views: 8204

RE: Aerolineas Argentinas Resume JFK Service

I would assume the early arrival into <acronym title="Buenos Aires - Ezeiza / Ministro Pistarini (EZE / SAEZ), Argentina">EZE</acronym> is to coincide with their early European arrivals and connections to other Argentine cities as well as Uruguay (<acronym title="Montevideo - Carrasco International ...

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by TYCOON
Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Denies Boarding To Filipino WYD Participant
Replies: 100
Views: 19293

RE: KLM Denies Boarding To Filipino WYD Participant

Connecting on a KLM flight from <acronym title="KLM Royal Dutch Airlines">KL</acronym> to Brazil, one doesn't need to go through passport control as they are not technically entering into the Schengen area. If the passenger were connecting to a Schengen country then they would. Furthermore, my under...

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by TYCOON
Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:45 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Paris And Flying Home: CDG-ATL On Air France
Replies: 5
Views: 13946

RE: Paris And Flying Home: CDG-ATL On Air France

Nice report.... great photos of the Bastille Day parade! Just one correction: You don't go through two security checks at <acronym title="Paris - Charles de Gaulle (Roissy) (CDG / LFPG), France">CDG</acronym>... The first line is a passport check and is similar to most all European airports when lea...

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by TYCOON
Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Saudi Arabian Airlines Disallows Israelis
Replies: 132
Views: 27268

RE: Saudi Arabian Airlines Disallows Israelis

Really a non-issue in my view... I for one don't think I'll be flying Saudia any time soon... for no other reason than simply I do not need to... But if I were an ex-pat working in Saudi Arabia, I would be happy knowing that the airline is part of a major alliance. To a380787's "point", are you any ...

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by TYCOON
Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does KE Really Benefit From Skyteam?
Replies: 29
Views: 7776

RE: Does KE Really Benefit From Skyteam?

airbazar, as AF185 correctly pointed out <acronym title="China Eastern Airlines">MU</acronym> serves both <acronym title="Paris - Charles de Gaulle (Roissy) (CDG / LFPG), France">CDG</acronym> and <acronym title="London - Heathrow (LHR / EGLL), United Kingdom">LHR</acronym> in addition to <acronym t...

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by TYCOON
Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does KE Really Benefit From Skyteam?
Replies: 29
Views: 7776

RE: Does KE Really Benefit From Skyteam?

So much is written about alliances on this board, and most of it is nonsense! <acronym title="Korean Air">KE</acronym> has no strong codeshare agreements with other Skyteam carriers??? That is a good one... <acronym title="Air France">AF</acronym> and <acronym title="Korean Air">KE</acronym> have a ...

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by TYCOON
Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Royal Air Maroc To Fly To Sao Paulo (confirmed)
Replies: 46
Views: 14209

RE: Royal Air Maroc To Fly To Sao Paulo (confirmed)

At the time, I think that RAM was looking at the Brazil-Arab market via transit in <acronym title="Casablanca - Mohammed V (CMN / GMMN), Morocco">CMN</acronym>. Brazil has one of the largest Arab populations outside the Middle East (although in Brazil they often call them "turcos" - Turks). I think ...

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by TYCOON
Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Royal Air Maroc To Fly To Sao Paulo (confirmed)
Replies: 46
Views: 14209

RE: Royal Air Maroc To Fly To Sao Paulo (confirmed)

Isn't this a return for RAM to Brazil? I think I vaguely remember them having flights with a B707 in the 70s or 80s.

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by TYCOON
Fri May 31, 2013 8:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SkyTeam Has No 5-Star Airlines?
Replies: 44
Views: 11608

RE: SkyTeam Has No 5-Star Airlines?

I have pretty much flown at least 50% of the carriers in each of the alliances. From a pure practicality perspective, I fly Skyteam most due to my home airport being best served by this alliance. However, if I just go through the list and judge by lost luggage, than Star Alliance is really at the bo...

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by TYCOON
Fri May 31, 2013 4:47 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Who Has The Highest Number Of Flights?
Replies: 27
Views: 5893

RE: Who Has The Highest Number Of Flights?

I currently have 2130 flights and 47 flights booked and to be flown by year's end.


http://my.flightmemory.com/ricano

http://flightdiary.net/ricano

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by TYCOON
Thu May 30, 2013 3:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Increased Red Ink At Alitalia
Replies: 24
Views: 5563

RE: Increased Red Ink At Alitalia

Germans may be angry, but they more than anyone have benefitted from having Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc... incorporated in the Euro in order to level manufacturing costs and bring them to German levels thereby decreasing the southern European countries' competitiveness and increasing German. Last I ...

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by TYCOON
Thu May 30, 2013 2:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Increased Red Ink At Alitalia
Replies: 24
Views: 5563

RE: Increased Red Ink At Alitalia

I have flown <acronym title="Alitalia (Italy)">AZ</acronym> a total of 63 times (according to my stats on Flightmemory), and I would venture to say half in economy and the other half upfront. I have flown them a number of times across the North (<acronym title="Newark - Liberty International (EWR / ...

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by TYCOON
Fri May 17, 2013 4:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic Plunges To Deeper Annual Loss
Replies: 44
Views: 13166

RE: Virgin Atlantic Plunges To Deeper Annual Loss

Blueshamu330s Seems like you have a lot of préjudices and inherent racism in your post. I particularly love your description of China Eastern: Robotic, cold, soulless... Funny,, that is usually how I describe British Airways, and I have flown them more than once.... I am not going to descend the lis...

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by TYCOON
Thu May 16, 2013 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic Plunges To Deeper Annual Loss
Replies: 44
Views: 13166

RE: Virgin Atlantic Plunges To Deeper Annual Loss

Blueshamu, "Skyteam : a basket cas of disjointed carriers, many teetering on the brink of a Financial black hole or obscurity?" What pure garbage... nonsense... Can you provide examples, please? How about Skyteam having the best access into the Chinese market? And OneWorld? Please, don't make me lau...

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by TYCOON
Wed May 15, 2013 12:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More Than 100 LA & 4M Flights Delayed In Argentina
Replies: 3
Views: 2482

RE: More Than 100 LA & 4M Flights Delayed In Argentina

Interesting... another Gonzalo thread... I'd be curious to know if there are published on-time departure/arrival stats in Argentina that would allow one to claim one has a better on-time record than another. Over the past 12 months, I have flown <acronym title="Aerolineas Argentinas (Argentina)">AR<...

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by TYCOON
Fri May 10, 2013 8:20 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AF Or Air China To PEK?
Replies: 20
Views: 5928

RE: AF Or Air China To PEK?

Dépends on what you call contemporary cedarjet???

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by TYCOON
Tue May 07, 2013 9:02 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AF Or Air China To PEK?
Replies: 20
Views: 5928

RE: AF Or Air China To PEK?

Correction LY777, Air France has never crashed either the A300, A310, A318, A319 or A321.... in addition to the A380...
The statement that AF has crashed every Airbus type is an A-Net legend...

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by TYCOON
Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam
Replies: 81
Views: 22549

RE: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam

LDVAviation, I think you completely miss the point (or do so intentionally)... Alliances are about connectivity, hubbing, providing the maximum amount of destinations via one alliance... Both Star and Skyteam have OneWorld beat in this area... To argue the contrary is just plain naive or refusing to...

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by TYCOON
Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam
Replies: 81
Views: 22549

RE: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam

Impressive mind-reading LDVAviation! Staralliance85 specifically refers to hub not to destination... And, in case you were unaware, there are other markets than the trans-atlantic market... which is one that is growing at slower rates than most others. So, OneWorld can have their <acronym title="Lon...

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by TYCOON
Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam
Replies: 81
Views: 22549

RE: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam

What about Delta's <acronym title="Bearskin Airlines (Canada)">JV</acronym> application with <acronym title="Virgin Atlantic Airways (United Kingdom)">VS</acronym>??? This doesn't explain <acronym title="London - Heathrow (LHR / EGLL), United Kingdom">LHR</acronym> as the most valuable hub in Europe...

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by TYCOON
Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam
Replies: 81
Views: 22549

RE: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam

Staralliance85, YES OneWorld is weak in Europe and <acronym title="London - Heathrow (LHR / EGLL), United Kingdom">LHR</acronym> is not the most valuable hub in Europe... far from it... It is a good O&D airport but not a great hub for transfers (unless North Atlantic to Europe, and even then not...

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by TYCOON
Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam
Replies: 81
Views: 22549

RE: AA CEO Tom Horton Blows Off SkyTeam

As a premium elite <acronym title="Tower Air (USA)">FF</acronym> in all three of the alliances, in terms of the alliance that suits me (and treats me) best, I would say 1) Skyteam 2) Star 3) OneWorld Funny how quick people dismiss China (like staralliance85)... because that is where Skyteam blows th...

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by TYCOON
Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FRA - The World's Most International Airport?
Replies: 48
Views: 14698

RE: FRA - The World's Most International Airport?

Just having transited through <acronym title="Frankfurt am Main (Rhein-Main AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA</acronym> this afternoon, it now takes the title of worst airport in Europe... I arrived from a non-Schengen city, parked at gate A30something, only to exit the aircraft via stairs on to ...

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by TYCOON
Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:04 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which Alliance Would You Want To Be A Member Of?
Replies: 20
Views: 5247

RE: Which Alliance Would You Want To Be A Member O

Ryanairguru... where have you been??? in addition to having ME, <acronym title="Saudi Arabian Airlines">SV</acronym> and <acronym title="Kenya Airways">KQ</acronym> in the alliance, Skyteam probably has the best covered network on the African continent out of Europe/USA with <acronym title="Air Fran...

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by TYCOON
Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:56 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which Alliance Would You Want To Be A Member Of?
Replies: 20
Views: 5247

RE: Which Alliance Would You Want To Be A Member O

Kind of a strange question. All would depend on where my airline is based and what my route network looked like. But I don't adhere to the comment of Star Alliance having stable airline members... they have lost a few either due to outright bankruptcy (ie Spanair) or to switching alliances (ie Mexic...

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by TYCOON
Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:39 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: CDG And The Lack Of Priority For Short Connections
Replies: 22
Views: 7242

RE: CDG And The Lack Of Priority For Short Connect

dc9northwest, I couldn't disagree with you more emphatically... Your post is full of nonsense, prejudices and unsubstantiated evidence therefore signifying nothing. Impossible to fire anyone in France??... Hardly... I have fired people in France... Have you???? I find people working at <acronym titl...

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by TYCOON
Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:03 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: CDG And The Lack Of Priority For Short Connections
Replies: 22
Views: 7242

RE: CDG And The Lack Of Priority For Short Connect

Fallap, sounds like a very unfortunate experience. But I have had similar ones at other airports, so I wouldn't suggest it is specific to <acronym title="Paris - Charles de Gaulle (Roissy) (CDG / LFPG), France">CDG</acronym>... My personal experience is <acronym title="London - Heathrow (LHR / EGLL)...

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by TYCOON
Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:18 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Singapore Airlines Leaves The Rest Behind
Replies: 24
Views: 6589

RE: Singapore Airlines Leaves The Rest Behind

Although admittedly I haven't flown <acronym title="Singapore Airlines">SQ</acronym> in some time, my last flight with them <acronym title="London - Heathrow (LHR / EGLL), United Kingdom">LHR</acronym>-<acronym title="Singapore - Changi (SIN / WSSS), Singapore">SIN</acronym>-<acronym title="Kuala Lu...

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by TYCOON
Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Third Time Lucky For DL In The UK?
Replies: 179
Views: 21118

RE: Third Time Lucky For DL In The UK?

My point is very simple and to the point 1400mph, but perhaps your unusual, undying love of <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> blinds you. People were discussing how "cheap" <acronym title="Virgin Atlantic Airways (United Kingdom)">VS</acronym> flights were in business class compared to <...

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by TYCOON
Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Third Time Lucky For DL In The UK?
Replies: 179
Views: 21118

RE: Third Time Lucky For DL In The UK?

Addressing specifically the "bottom feeder" point, <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> has the cheapest F and J fares across the Atlantic if you are flying from the Continent to the US. As an American living in Paris, I fly a number of different US cities (east and west coasts) throughout ...

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by TYCOON
Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Third Time Lucky For DL In The UK?
Replies: 179
Views: 21118

RE: Third Time Lucky For DL In The UK?

I must chime in here as someone who flies frequently across the Atlantic (and elsewhere) in the front cabins, I find BAs service dreadful and cabin crew that lack any class whatsoever (and don't get me started on the food which is dreadful). I prefer <acronym title="Delta Air Lines (USA)">DL</acrony...

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by TYCOON
Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:13 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Carrots! Upper Deck B747 Business UA SFO-FRA
Replies: 7
Views: 12517

RE: Carrots! Upper Deck B747 Business UA SFO-FRA

Nice report and video... always enjoy them. I have to confess however that United is one of the worst carriers across the Atlantic IMHO and the food is poor. I personally would be pretty upset if an airline served me "Veuve du Vernay" in business class and tried to pass it off as champagne. It <acro...

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by TYCOON
Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld
Replies: 81
Views: 16125

RE: Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld

Not a surprise really, but I wonder what this will mean for terminals at certain airports... Will TAM leave T1 for <acronym title="Eastern Airways (United Kingdom)">T3</acronym> at <acronym title="London - Heathrow (LHR / EGLL), United Kingdom">LHR</acronym>? Will they leave Star dominated CDG1 for ...

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by TYCOON
Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MAD T4 Taken By IB Workers, Chaos Expected
Replies: 114
Views: 12764

RE: MAD T4 Taken By IB Workers, Chaos Expected

Thanks Gonzalo... I too had a ticket on <acronym title="Pluna (Uruguay)">PU</acronym> from <acronym title="Montevideo - Carrasco International / General Cesareo L. Berisso (MVD / SUMU), Uruguay">MVD</acronym> to <acronym title="Rio de Janeiro - Galeao International (Antonio Carlos Jobim) (GIG / SBGL...

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by TYCOON
Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MAD T4 Taken By IB Workers, Chaos Expected
Replies: 114
Views: 12764

RE: MAD T4 Taken By IB Workers, Chaos Expected

I just booked this morning a business class ticket from <acronym title="Paris - Orly (ORY / LFPO), France">ORY</acronym> to <acronym title="Los Angeles - International (LAX / KLAX), USA - California">LAX</acronym> via <acronym title="Madrid - Barajas (MAD / LEMD), Spain">MAD</acronym> with Iberia in...

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by TYCOON
Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA/IB - A Marriage Made In Hell.
Replies: 119
Views: 21866

RE: BA/IB - A Marriage Made In Hell.

1400mph, I actually agree with you on government support for certain key industries... believe it or not!
Markets can solve some problems, but not all... as we have all too often seen throughout modern history and even lately...

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by TYCOON
Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA/IB - A Marriage Made In Hell.
Replies: 119
Views: 21866

RE: BA/IB - A Marriage Made In Hell.

1400mph, I don't see how you have demonstrated that my argument "falls flat" as it still holds... the UK govt has in the past provided financial support to <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym>...That was all I was saying... Doesn't really matter when or how or why... but I am just stating t...

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by TYCOON
Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA/IB - A Marriage Made In Hell.
Replies: 119
Views: 21866

RE: BA/IB - A Marriage Made In Hell.

Applause are in order for Pihero for pointing out this oft forgotten fact of UK government subsidies and protectionism of <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> as it was being privatized and even after. In 1987, I wrote my thesis at the London School of Economics on 'Air Transport Policy in ...

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by TYCOON
Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA/IB - A Marriage Made In Hell.
Replies: 119
Views: 21866

RE: BA/IB - A Marriage Made In Hell.

As far as service is concerned (putting aside profitability etc... for the moment), I believe <acronym title="Air France">AF</acronym> is miles ahead of <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> and that's a given in my book. I have flown <acronym title="British Airways">BA</acronym> 63x and a g...

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by TYCOON
Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF-KLM 2012 Loss - But Improvement
Replies: 65
Views: 9784

RE: AF-KLM 2012 Loss - But Improvement

Regarding the strike, the PNC (cabin staff) unions that have already signed the agreements represent over 70% of the cabin staff... so the strike shouldn't be disruptive (or probably even noticed).

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by TYCOON
Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF-KLM 2012 Loss - But Improvement
Replies: 65
Views: 9784

RE: AF-KLM 2012 Loss - But Improvement

Hopefully we can give this one a rest... it is a bit circular now... I fly on both carriers frequently (in March I am due to fly <acronym title="Air France">AF</acronym> 8x and <acronym title="Lufthansa (Germany)">LH</acronym> Group 4x), usually front of the cabin, and from a personal view, much pre...

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by TYCOON
Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF-KLM 2012 Loss - But Improvement
Replies: 65
Views: 9784

RE: AF-KLM 2012 Loss - But Improvement

Mozart, although you have stated more clearly your point, I still don't understand it. Most tax jurisdictions that I am familiar with (UK, France, USA, Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands, etc....) do allow for tax breaks of one form or another whether that be deductability of interest charges on corpo...

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by TYCOON
Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF-KLM 2012 Loss - But Improvement
Replies: 65
Views: 9784

RE: AF-KLM 2012 Loss - But Improvement

I would just raise a flag of caution regarding where "losses" and "profits" are geographically in the Groupe Air France-KLM. Given the corporate tax rate differences between France and The Netherlands, it is much more advantageous to show losses in France than it is in The Netherlands, and conversel...

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by TYCOON
Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IB Unions Announce "no Less Than 5 Days Of Strike"
Replies: 129
Views: 12888

RE: IB Unions Announce "no Less Than 5 Days Of Strike"

Oh, and Portugal, Poland and Italy ranked respectively 33rd, 41st and 72nd in this 2012 report... still nowhere near Mexico's corruption level.

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by TYCOON
Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IB Unions Announce "no Less Than 5 Days Of Strike"
Replies: 129
Views: 12888

RE: IB Unions Announce "no Less Than 5 Days Of Strike"

Although not necessarily condoning the strike action of Iberia employees nor am I a particular fan of the airline (I have flown them 41 times and they rank 8th in frequency out of the 159 airlines that I have flown), I can't allow some very strange and incorrect statements about Spain to be left unc...

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by TYCOON
Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF-KL Huge Net Loss Of USD 1.1 Billion In 2ndQ
Replies: 55
Views: 15540

RE: AF-KL Huge Net Loss Of USD 1.1 Billion In 2ndQ

lear35pilot, while I sympathize with your unfortunate experience with <acronym title="Air France">AF</acronym>, I couldn't disagree with you more strongly. Of all the airlines you mention, IMHO <acronym title="Air France">AF</acronym> has the best customer service (and also the best food, which is n...

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by TYCOON
Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF-KL Huge Net Loss Of USD 1.1 Billion In 2ndQ
Replies: 55
Views: 15540

RE: AF-KL Huge Net Loss Of USD 1.1 Billion In 2ndQ

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but this was actually GOOD news... <acronym title="Air France">AF</acronym>/KL have been improving their operating performance and the losses were due to exceptional, one time right offs. The investor/financial community recognizes this as following this announcemen...

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by TYCOON
Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QR To Join An Alliance Within Next 12 Months
Replies: 66
Views: 19947

RE: QR To Join An Alliance Within Next 12 Months

Given the confirmation in the press of a pending agreement to pool revenue on selected flights between <acronym title="Etihad Airways (United Arab Emirates)">EY</acronym> and <acronym title="Air France">AF</acronym>/KL, I say if <acronym title="Etihad Airways (United Arab Emirates)">EY</acronym> goe...

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by TYCOON
Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:23 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your Experience On CityJet Avro RJ85's?
Replies: 8
Views: 7197

RE: Your Experience On CityJet Avro RJ85's?

I've flown on Cityjet RJs and BAe 146s more times than I care to remember... Very cramped and uncomfortable, even for short one -hour flights in my opinion. The key, as european742 states, is to get a seat in the back rows... around rows 14-17 as there are only two seats on the side with some additi...

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by TYCOON
Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian DY Tricked By Spanish Bank
Replies: 31
Views: 9021

RE: Norwegian DY Tricked By Spanish Bank

Mortyman, we all know how reliable journalists can be... How many times have members of this board pointed out hilarious errors journalists have made regarding the aviation market? Even financial journalists for the specialized press such as the <acronym title="Fly FTI">FT</acronym> or WSJ or Les Ec...

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