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by lightsaber
Wed May 29, 2019 1:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase
Replies: 241
Views: 35950

Re: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase

Why over a 3:1 sales discrepancy? We know the A220 needs PIPs. So does the E2. All new aircraft need them to garner sales. This MTOW increase is just one more sales tool. Lightsaber Maybe 3:1 because the 220 was ready before the E2 and it won more of the tiny 100 seat market? That doesn't explain l...

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by lightsaber
Wed May 29, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 387
Views: 113162

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

It's not ready for first flight yet. Still being worked on every day. I'm being lazy, has it passed: Low speed taxi Fuel dock High speed taxi Aborted takeoff ? There are weeks ahead before first flight. Plus undisclosed shifted integration work. Lightsaber Fuel dock yes but that's it. Other work go...

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by lightsaber
Wed May 29, 2019 12:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 54
Views: 9260

Re: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

NeBaNi wrote:
LH707330 wrote:
the ones with tortilla chips

I lol'd at this :bigthumbsup:
.... also made me kinda hungry :hissyfit:

I'm describing all CEO as Tortilla chip aircraft. Wing fences is so engineering.

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by lightsaber
Wed May 29, 2019 12:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase
Replies: 241
Views: 35950

Re: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase

It is not obvious at all the E195-E2 has worse seat mile cost than CS300. My estimates put the two in the same ball park with a 85% probability 195-E2 to have better seat mile cost. My model is not accurate enough to say with 100% certainty which one has better seat mile cost. It is very highly lik...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 10:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 54
Views: 9260

Re: Airbus A320ceo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Adding engines Thank you speedygonzales for the list as always. Remaining real order: A320: Lufthansa - 6. CFM Gecas - 5. CFM Aero K - 3 Peach - 3 Air Asia - 2 CFM Spirit - 1 V2500 Private - 1 CASC - 1 A321: Delta - 50. CFM Wizz Air - 3 V2500 Total remaining to be delivered: A320: 22 A321: 53 Took o...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 387
Views: 113162

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

I've yet to see an engineering department that doesn't feel understaffed ... True. But for a decade it wasn't worth specializing in aerospace engineering. The last time I saw as many job offers for aerospace engineers was 1995-1997. Everyone is jumping ship. The musical chairs have started. Not eno...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 387
Views: 113162

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
It's not ready for first flight yet. Still being worked on every day.

I'm being lazy, has it passed:
Low speed taxi
Fuel dock
High speed taxi
Aborted takeoff
?

There are weeks ahead before first flight.

Plus undisclosed shifted integration work.

Lightsaber

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 9:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Embraer E2 Testing/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 69
Views: 11900

Re: Embraer E2 Testing/Production Thread - 2019

Interesting Leeham link: https://leehamnews.com/2019/05/28/e175-e2-prototype-in-production-first-flight-by-year-end/ The interesting tidbits, planned hockey stick production rate increase (a step function). Ability to produce 13/month (150 plus or minus at maximum surge) with a history of producing ...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 9:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase
Replies: 241
Views: 35950

Re: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase

The E2-190 weighs 35 tons. Thus the lower capacity E2-195 almost certainly weighs more than the A220-300 Please provide a link. As I noted, I estimated. I prefer to refine estimates I did typo. Mean culpa. 33T per Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E-Jet_E2_family I still do not see...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 7:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64399

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossibs, Announcements

B777X and A220 going to be celebreties of the show... Delta, United, AA ordering some replacements for the B767 fleet.. I would hope for 777X and A220 orders. I don't have any source on the former. For the A220, I know Spirit is shopping and I hear rumors about others, but nothing I consider sound ...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 6:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase
Replies: 241
Views: 35950

Re: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase

The E2-190 weighs 35 tons. Thus the lower capacity E2-195 almost certainly weighs more than the A220-300 That's not true, E190-E2 weight is less than this. And E195-E2 is lighter than A220-300. That's all I can tell. Please provide a link. As I noted, I estimated. I prefer to refine estimates. Ligh...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64399

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossibs, Announcements

B777X and A220 going to be celebreties of the show... Delta, United, AA ordering some replacements for the B767 fleet.. I would hope for 777X and A220 orders. I don't have any source on the former. For the A220, I know Spirit is shopping and I hear rumors about others, but nothing I consider sound ...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 346
Views: 30112

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

High yields would last starting from when? After Jet shutdown right? Which happened progressively from March, which is about 2 months back. However, as per 6E's earnings call, their CEO claims: - Jet Airways shutdown helped in part of Feb and March - By June except for some international markets Je...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase
Replies: 241
Views: 35950

Re: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase

Amiga500, Thanks for the design cycle insider insight. That tells me redesign and then retest. Everything I've heard is a capability far in excess of 60k FC, but it sounds like you know of reasons a redesign is required. With the wing limiting FH and CFRP, the capability there must be 150k FH+. Find...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase
Replies: 241
Views: 35950

Re: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase

Finding margin to increase MTOW is normal at this point of production. In particular for CFRP winged aircraft where reinforcements are light and trivial to add. This is a tremendous limitation! If true would hold on sales campaigns for some operators. There is probably only one major airport that is...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019
Replies: 61
Views: 17887

Re: A330 and A340 Write-off/Retirement/Scrap Thread - 2019

This year, TK will also retire five A330-200: 1. Leased from 9W: TC-JIL/JIM/JIN 2. Leased from DAE Capital: TC-LNA/LNB AtlasGlobal has taken up two A330-203: 1. TC-AGD msn 819 (ex KLM PH-AOI and Shaheen AP-BMJ) 2. TC-AGL msn 700 (ex TAM PT-MVL) I have lost track if A330-200 P2F conversions. Are the...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1539
Views: 154751

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

SpiceJet made a profit. They fly 737s, so have an easy time inducting new aircraft and highering unpaid Jet pilots. The winners are Indigo and SpiceJet. Because of SpiceJet, Jet's missed capacity is reinstated quickly. This help other Indian business such as hotels. That is a good thing. Lightsaber...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64399

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossibs, Announcements

As BA and LH recently have ordered the 77X I don't expect new European orders for the aircraft, maybe some from the middle-east? Emirates swapping their 787 options? Emirates never had options, they had an MOU which was non-binding. They have no reason to shift orders around and order something els...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 3:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64399

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossibs, Announcements

Sales season is fully underway. Airline buyers are already at Paris and the Leasing companies are there in full force. For myself, the most exciting order is Spirit for either the E2 or A220. If the A220 wins, future sales will be easier. We have a separate thread on a MTOW increase. The E2 must sel...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase
Replies: 241
Views: 35950

Re: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase

The A320/738 are now the baseline for most operators. Improved take-off performance, range and payload on both frames have made the hot-rod A319/73G less attractive. That said there is a gap between the 75 seat jets and the 180 seat A320/738. Even “full service” airlines like LH and BA fly them bet...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 12:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oldest LH Airbus 320 last flight today
Replies: 53
Views: 8828

Re: Oldest LH Airbus 320 last flight today

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1390723 this plane noted in previous topic My own thread too.. (and link), this frame MSN 0069 had the highest cycles one year ago (51,000). Assuming 6 flights or so per day, that puts her at about 53,000 cycles (my estimate). If I had remembered my o...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 12:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oldest LH Airbus 320 last flight today
Replies: 53
Views: 8828

Re: Oldest LH Airbus 320 last flight today

How many cycles and Hours? I've read she is being retired on hours. That doesn't mean 120,000 FH were used, it means not enough remain for the due heavy maintenance to justify spending millions to keep her flying.

Lightsaber

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1539
Views: 154751

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

SpiceJet made a profit. They fly 737s, so have an easy time inducting new aircraft and highering unpaid Jet pilots. The winners are Indigo and SpiceJet. Because of SpiceJet, Jet's missed capacity is reinstated quickly. This help other Indian business such as hotels. That is a good thing. Lightsaber

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 11:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 346
Views: 30112

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

https://wap.business-standard.com/artic ... 837_1.html

Nice recovery from the MAX grounding.
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SpiceJet made a profit:

https://wap.business-standard.com/artic ... 837_1.html

Nice recovery from the MAX grounding.

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 6:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 346
Views: 30112

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

A very tough year. Only the 4th quarter made the year profitable. I predicted back in February that the high yields would last 15 to 24 months. High yields would last starting from when? After Jet shutdown right? Which happened progressively from March, which is about 2 months back. However, as per...

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by lightsaber
Tue May 28, 2019 12:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 346
Views: 30112

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

Strange sounding results from IndiGo!! India’s largest airline IndiGo on Monday said net profit for the March quarter rose 401.17% from a year ago as the airline flew more passengers and registered higher yields. However, on an annual basis, Indigo's profit for 2018-19 was down 93%. https://www.liv...

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by lightsaber
Mon May 27, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1539
Views: 154751

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Take the political discussion to non aviation. Take the conspiracy theories to non aviation. This is a thread on Jet's shutdown. Discuss bids, aircraft allocation, slots, value in the company, employees, asset sales, repossession, pilots, but stop the name calling. I've had to alert the moderation t...

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by lightsaber
Mon May 27, 2019 2:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1539
Views: 154751

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

I agree that NG’s arrest is a strong message, but I don’t get what EY needs to prove to anyone. They are not Indian and the public doesn’t care. I think EY would like to save Jet. The UAE is heavily invested in aviation and India is key to their strategy. Where EY and the UAE is misplaying this is ...

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by lightsaber
Mon May 27, 2019 2:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 346
Views: 30112

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

My only concern is how to crew those 13 MAX when the time comes. They'll need technicians too. Lightsaber Aren't they a dime a dozen at this time specifically? [Ex-Jet pilots and staff]. The former Jet 737 pilots could presumably be trained on the MAX which I belive is not much of a deal anyway (th...

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by lightsaber
Mon May 27, 2019 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 346
Views: 30112

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

Amazing growth, yes, but everyone seems to ignore/gloss over the fact that SpiceJet also has 13 grounded MAXes. So 13 of those 23 new additions are just to offset capacity losses from the MAX grounding. Nothing against SpiceJet's remarkable growth, but just adding another perspective. This perspect...

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by lightsaber
Mon May 27, 2019 2:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated, confirmed - Air NZ picks Boeing for wide-body order
Replies: 292
Views: 53229

Re: Updated, confirmed - Air NZ picks Boeing for wide-body order

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423399

The engine switch is a big deal.
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Other thread, locked, discussing the selection of GE engines:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1423399

The engine switch is a big deal.

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by lightsaber
Sun May 26, 2019 8:43 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will Delta regret not ordering a similar replacement for the Md-88?
Replies: 43
Views: 5702

Re: Will Delta regret not ordering a similar replacement for the Md-88?

Even if the A220 isn’t a direct replacement it’s still a good one. The configuration is the same as the MD88 and they will save money on fuel and maintenance. The bean counters at Delta know what to put where and when. They have so many different wide bodies it gives them flexibility. This, bean co...

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by lightsaber
Sun May 26, 2019 8:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 346
Views: 30112

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

https://www.financialexpress.com/indust ... 9477/lite/

That is an amazing growth that isn't done yet.

Lightsaber
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SoiceJet now has a hundred aircraft. 23 within last month:

https://www.financialexpress.com/indust ... 9477/lite/

That is an amazing growth that isn't done yet.

Lightsaber

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by lightsaber
Sun May 26, 2019 7:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers
Replies: 116
Views: 16097

Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

This nonsense with the max 8 max 8 is getting really stupid. 99% of the public have no idea what kinda airplane they are flying. It’s the news media who is making a big deal about this. Big deal 2 max crashed. Do you know how many 707/272/dc10 and other types of airliners crash for us to enjoy the ...

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by lightsaber
Sun May 26, 2019 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1311
Views: 223151

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

My thinking is the less classes would allow the fares to be more inclusive of more pax, there is a limited number of pax who this flight will appeal to, if one then add's a first class, that number of qualifying pax get's even smaller, QF will need more repeat pax more frequently, and the more volu...

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by lightsaber
Sun May 26, 2019 6:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase
Replies: 241
Views: 35950

Re: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase

Does anyone know what the exact reason of this MTOW increase? It is quite confusing to see such an effort is done on the A220 when the nearest competitor E195-E2 has only about 2,400 nm of range. I see your point here. Such an apparent range overkill is indeed intriging. (Unless it helps acheiving ...

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by lightsaber
Sun May 26, 2019 6:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters : Airbus to counter the "NMA"by the existing 330neo and the A21N
Replies: 131
Views: 19841

Re: Reuters : Airbus to counter the "NMA"by the existing 330neo and the A21N

The A321 is a good aircraft, but the wingloading is far too high for the missions it is pressed into. Technically the wing is clearly suboptimal for higher weights and longer ranges. But then the same was true of the 77W as I recall... In both cases the market seems prepared to accept the compromis...

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by lightsaber
Sun May 26, 2019 5:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters : Airbus to counter the "NMA"by the existing 330neo and the A21N
Replies: 131
Views: 19841

Re: Reuters : Airbus to counter the "NMA"by the existing 330neo and the A21N

Still until this day, it remains unclear how Boeing will respond to the A321NEO. The 737-10 doesn't match & Boeing has been dragging it's feet on the MoM / NMA 797 / 7K7 for many years. They need to come up with something. Meanwhile Airbus keeps slowly moving the goalposts by introducing enhanc...

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by lightsaber
Sun May 26, 2019 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM
Replies: 993
Views: 140616

Re: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM

I think you are way too focused on your experience and perception of what “Indians” want. Does the person that finds EK appealing exist, yes absolutely. But it is by no means even the majority of the market - especially on the US origin side. Remember the US-India market is super diverse. There is ...

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by lightsaber
Sun May 26, 2019 1:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019
Replies: 55
Views: 7794

Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Gone are the days when cargo operators received the leftover scrap frames, and now instead can operate shiny new expensive frames at premium valuations. Nobody goes anywhere anymore...we all just sit at home and wait for UPS to deliver our Amazon packages. The reason passenger are worth less than f...

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by lightsaber
Sat May 25, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant Discussion Thread - 2019
Replies: 179
Views: 22751

Re: Allegiant DIscussion Thread - 2019

The fate of the Saudi A320s facinates me. So slow to entry and almost 40% spun off. With Qatar Airways announcing the retirement of their A320's by 2024, I wonder if G4 will try and pick them up. Most of them are powered by IAE Engines, G4 is in the market for CFM powered ones, so probably a slim po...

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by lightsaber
Sat May 25, 2019 10:10 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will Delta regret not ordering a similar replacement for the Md-88?
Replies: 43
Views: 5702

Re: Will Delta regret not ordering a similar replacement for the Md-88?

The orders for the a220-100/300 wont help fill this gap? They currently have 90 total on order which are largely meant to upgage routes flown with the e175 & CR9 however that could easily be upped to cover the md80/90 routes that won support an upgage to the a320 family... Agreed. I fully expec...

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by lightsaber
Sat May 25, 2019 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Motley Fool 5.19.2019 - Southwest Inter-Island Service, "doing extraordinarily well."
Replies: 69
Views: 10610

Re: Motley Fool 5.19.2019 - Southwest Inter-Island Service, "doing extraordinarily well."

All indications are the MAX is to be back in service in July. DEN is at the edge of MAX range. Flights will be like earlier (pre-scimitar winglet) 738 flights by AS (restricted winter loads). I have no doubt it will be done, it is a question of when. I 100% agree with the preference for frequency. ...

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by lightsaber
Sat May 25, 2019 3:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Embraer and Boeing JV to be named Boeing Brasil Commercial
Replies: 774
Views: 95042

Re: Updated: Embraer and Boeing JV to be named Boeing Brasil Commercial

So if Embraer wanted to launch a new commercial program, like a turboprop that's long been rumored, they would need Boeing's approval righti ? The actual company Embraer is exiting the commercial market to focus on military and executive aviation, this new joint venture is taking over the commercia...

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by lightsaber
Fri May 24, 2019 11:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Motley Fool 5.19.2019 - Southwest Inter-Island Service, "doing extraordinarily well."
Replies: 69
Views: 10610

Re: Motley Fool 5.19.2019 - Southwest Inter-Island Service, "doing extraordinarily well."

Still skeptical about the long term viability of WN in Hawaii interisland. Their capacity at HNL is extremely limited and HA will have something to say about any WN expansion. Stuff like opening up a line to a small market like ITO is plain idiotic. Frankly Hawaii is a saturated market. There's tal...

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by lightsaber
Fri May 24, 2019 8:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO
Replies: 453
Views: 42093

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

The question was raised if Airbus did not fabricated the A380, and fabricated the A350 instead, then what would they have achieved? An A350 with GLARE and not CFRP. Note that the current 787 and A350 are only possible with the development of fiber placement machines. At the time, these machines wer...

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by lightsaber
Fri May 24, 2019 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters : Airbus to counter the "NMA"by the existing 330neo and the A21N
Replies: 131
Views: 19841

Re: Reuters : Airbus to counter the "NMA"by the existing 330neo and the A21N

https://verovenia.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/istat-2008-nuttal.jpg Nice picture. Anyone to explain the non-continuous behaviour and inconsistency between upper and lower graph. There seems to be a big peak at 300 nm, another smaller at 600 and a third at 900 nm. Some specific routes on those dista...

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by lightsaber
Fri May 24, 2019 5:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase
Replies: 241
Views: 35950

Re: A220 gets 2.3T MTOW increase

Do you think all recent positive news on A22x is a pre_cursor to significant orders next month at Paris air show? I think Airbus has done better PR than Boeing/Embraer. Vendors and leasing companies should already be occupying their hotel suites for the Paris airshow. The #1 sales campaign I am awa...

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by lightsaber
Fri May 24, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Embraer and Boeing JV to be named Boeing Brasil Commercial
Replies: 774
Views: 95042

Re: Boeing Brasil – Commercial is the new name of Embraer

The fact that this is legal shows what a "free" economy really is. Boeing is probably the most predatory company in the Business. Frankly at this point no matter how much I love their heritage or aircraft I want them to fail as a corporation. Ok and Airbuses take over of the CS program wa...

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