F9 has deleted CLE-MBJ and STL-MBJ at the end of June.
Oops - didn't notice Trk1 had already posted this.
CLEguy wrote:With the sincere hope to steer the discussion away from BKL, here is my summary of the Cleveland City Council Transportation and Mobility Committee held on April 11, 2024
Airport Operations Updates
Jshank83 wrote:march load for Aer Lingus (customs numbers)
Inbound 77.5%
Outbound 82%
Total 79.76%
Foreign 18%
USA 82%
Doesn't look like F9's Montego Bay service is doing very well: https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2024/04/will-this-new-frontier-flight-from-cleveland-to-the-caribbean-last-enjoy-it-while-you-can.html?utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1OEzODC...
Jump to postIf BKL is closed the 5500ft runway at CGF really needs to be extended to 7,000ft as a minimum, preferably 9000. and those suburbs around CGF certainly don't want that and have historically pushed back on any talk of expansion there. True. The relatively easy opportunity expand that runway (to the w...
Jump to postIf BKL is closed the 5500ft runway at CGF really needs to be extended to 7,000ft as a minimum, preferably 9000.
Jump to postA little post-summer surprise. AA is adding a fifth CLE-DCA round trip in September and UA is extending CLE-LAX double daily until the end of October.
Jump to postFrom their 10-K: " During October 2019, we entered into an amendment with Airbus that allows us the option to convert 18 A320neo aircraft to A321XLR aircraft. This conversion right is not reflected in the table above as this option has not been exercised " Do they actually have XLRs on fi...
Jump to postSomewhat unrelated, airlines such as AA missed a MAJOR opportunity to make huge bucks: it’s currently Friday March 29th and yet I cannot get ONE seat into CLE next weekend (April 6-9) on AA… not even out of CLT, the second busiest AA hub. Did the airlines underestimate the amount of travelers comin...
Jump to postLufthansa is always fun to talk about, but their TATL aircraft are way too big for CLE-FRA. I believe the smallest holds 298 pax. The 321neo's have 215 seats but offer a very inferior 6-abreast business class and probably would struggle with the 3,599 NM distance. I don't think those A321neos would...
Jump to postLufthansa is always fun to talk about, but their TATL aircraft are way too big for CLE-FRA. I believe the smallest holds 298 pax. The 321neo's have 215 seats but offer a very inferior 6-abreast business class and probably would struggle with the 3,599 NM distance.
Jump to postmannymanatee wrote:B6 has slipped a few a220 in this month so far as well for example I believe there is one today.
B6 has slipped an A220 into the twice a day BOS schedule next November.
Jump to postLAXdude1023 wrote:But in truth, the amount CLE spent on EI would have been better spent on another airline IMO with a wider reach.
CLE released February traffic numbers. Total pax 693.6K up 9.62% from last year. Intl pax 14.57K down 6.51%. Year-to-date 1.364MM up 7.66% YTD Intl 29.84K down 2.01% Cargo for Feb 12.55MM pounds - up 0.88% from last year. That's a tiny gain, but it's the first in months. I wonder what hurt internati...
Jump to postSome stats from todays spring schedule that began at Cleveland on United. 10,562 Cleveland seats daily 33 DAILY flights (30 Mainline). 14 Cities non-stop Most Cleveland seats since 2014 This is very impressive considering the way things were trending pre-Covid. I admire UA's willingness to experime...
Jump to postluckyone wrote:The clinic doesn't do much dedicated research.
I agree the idea that CCF traffic is anything other than a trickle between the facilities is a fantasy. And I can confidently confirm that. The legal reality medicine ensures that the facilities are overwhelmingly locally staffed. I don't know how you define a trickle; but collaborative research pr...
Jump to postI agree the idea that CCF traffic is anything other than a trickle between the facilities is a fantasy. And I can confidently confirm that. The legal reality medicine ensures that the facilities are overwhelmingly locally staffed. I don't know how you define a trickle; but collaborative research pr...
Jump to postWell, it seems the airlines have signed on to Phase I of the master plan, $175M in initial projects, and focuses on "program definition" efforts, per the press release, with "limited construction." Not much, but I guess it's a start: https://www.clevelandairport.com/momentum-bui...
Jump to postAer Lingus' annual numbers say their TATL operation is doing very well. I think it's fair to assume that CLE-DUB financials, at the very least, met everybody's expectations.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0 ... l-results/
Midwestindy wrote:
Dumb question here, why would Avianca add CLE-SJO?
MIAD?
According to avtcle's list, F9 will offer no California flights at all this summer. LAS, PHX, and SJU, will be the longest? Their routes are unlikely to provoke any retaliation, either. Maybe, like WN 25 years ago, F9 sees the car as their competition.
Jump to postHuge announcement, and definitely answers my question from earlier lol. Did F9 axe SAN tho? That's what bothers me about Frontier's out-and-back policy for crew scheduling. They are trying to eliminate hotel bills for crews that can't get home within allowed daily hours and also make life better fo...
Jump to postJust looked at Spirit's route map and they're quietly down to three routes total out of CLE: FLL LAS MCO Say what you want about them, but the vast majority of their routes had been around since they arrived in CLE in 2015. That daily LAX flight was convenient, inexpensive, and reliable for many pe...
Jump to postI'm also fine with 3-4x per week. Not every route needs to be daily. Link to the press release: https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-airlines-announces-nonstop-service-from-cleveland-hopkins-international-airport-to-10-additional-destinations-summer-daily-departures-to-increase-38-versus-a-year-ag...
Jump to postTWO more cities added to CLE on top of the 8 yesterday: Baltimore (BWI) -- Eff May 16, 2024, 3x/week Myrtle Beach (MYR) Eff May 21, 2024, 3x/week BWI should be interesting to watch. The route used to be much bigger when WN started it in the 90s - up to 7 flights a day I recall, drawing lots of Wash...
Jump to postWN has added CLE-PHX/LAS 5x weekly in October, although almost nobody, not even WN, has talked about it. Maybe it's just rez bait and they don't plan to operate it.
Jump to postNobody has mentioned BHM, which has the same geographic advantages as ATL. They are 127nm apart. The problem has been that Alabama is not entirely welcoming to new businesses and BHM is a relatively small city. But so was ATL small when DL first made it a hub. It might not hurt UA to get a bigger fo...
Jump to postCLE is about the size of Chicago MDW and that's without much in the way of connecting pax. If some airline wanted to create a 5-gate mini-hub the way AA and US did in the 70s-80s, it would probably work if routes thick with ULCCs were avoided. Will that happen? Not looking that way currently, but it...
Jump to postSo ... rumor has it that Browns owners have purchased 176 acres across the RR tracks from CLE. Traffic's gonna be a you-know-what if an airport and a stadium are under construction at the same time. EDIT: Some folks are saying, no, not a stadium - something ELSE. As always, stay tuned, https://neo-t...
Jump to postThey could re-hub Cleveland. It is warm in the summer and United is still paying $1,112,482/month for the empty Concourse D. :white: Oh Jeez ... I had forgotten about that. For how much longer do they have to pay on the Concourse D lease? It's paid off in mid-2027. CLE is being very careful not to ...
Jump to postncflyer wrote:On another note, it looks like F9 could be positioning PHL as an international gateway, should they go in that direction. It really makes a ton more sense than CLE.
F9 added 10 new destinations out of PHL, totaling 39 destinations. Thats quite the base, could CLE get more routes closer to base opening? What are some potential routes? The new PHL destinations are MCI, PWM, STL, MKE, DTW, IND, ORD, PNS, TYS, and CMH. Ignoring DTW, IND, and CMH, which are too clo...
Jump to postAflimacon wrote:As someone who's never lived in Cleveland, this is one of my favorite a.net threads because half the posters think a CLE-BKK announcement is imminent and the other half think the airport is about to close.
UA had a Miami hub and closed it. So a hub there would certainly be a back to the future moment! I loved connecting through the Miami hub to GIG and EZE from LAX and SFO! United had great service and crews back then! I don't see any possibility of a 300+ flight MIA hub; but it might make sense to a...
Jump to postAS has scheduled the second CLE-SEA through September. Did it last that long last year?
Jump to postUA doesn't talk much about CLE, but CLE is the closest thing UA has to a focus city. Lots of folks predicted that after the merger with CO, CLE would be totally drawn down to a spoke. That never happened. It almost happened; and if Smizek had hung around any longer I'm sure it would have been hubs ...
Jump to postAirports that are more comparable (like CVG/CLE/PIT) are paying crazy amounts for these services, which is very well possible IND has decided isn’t worth it. I tend to agree. Long term IND should make sure it has the capability to handle more international flights, but it’s highly unlikely an airli...
Jump to postAlthough CAK is one of the three Cleveland airports (along with CLE and BKL), it doesn't really get the name---Its not "Cleveland Akron Canton" like it is "Cleveland Hopkins" or "Cleveland Burke". Its kindof like Newark which is certainly a NYC airport, though doesn't ...
Jump to postCLE put the official numbers for December out today. The previously-released 9.868 million total for 2023 didn't change. The international total was 212,919, up 40.77% over 2022. That's 291 PDEW without a flight to the biggest destinations - so logically, CLE could support another international fli...
Jump to postCLE put the official numbers for December out today. The previously-released 9.868 million total for 2023 didn't change. The international total was 212,919, up 40.77% over 2022. That's 291 PDEW without a flight to the biggest destinations - so logically, CLE could support another international flig...
Jump to postI was thinking. Everyone was talking about Cle-sjo. What if that route is from cak on breeze( breeze does want international routes) but they just said Cleveland because canton is not really know internationally. Although CAK is one of the three Cleveland airports (along with CLE and BKL), it doesn...
Jump to postIt's not a big deal, but I'm always interested in what the "little guys" are up to. Castle Aviation, headquartered at CAK, which runs cargo flights for Purolator among others, has lately acquired six Saab 340Bs. We're now seeing a mix or Caravans and Saabs at CLE. Castle's website includes...
Jump to postAny ideas what other routes f9 would add. The top CLE routes on the unserved market listing for Q3,23 are SAN (137 pax daily) and AUS (114 pax daily). So, looking at just pax count, SAN and AUS are candidates. SAN, unfortunately, has poor yields from CLE. MCI has decent yields but fewer pax (84 per...
Jump to posthttps://www.cleveland.com/travel/2024/01/cleveland-hopkins-welcomed-99-million-passengers-in-2023-just-shy-of-pre-pandemic-volume.html Top 3 airlines at CLE in 2023: UA 2.4M AA 1.8M F9 1.7M F9 is likely to move ahead of AA in 2024 unless AA steps up. AA is adding a good bit of capacity, but not dep...
Jump to postI feel like an airport will always say something along those lines even if they know because they probably wait for the airline to announce it? CLE knows the airlines' planned schedules about six months in advance. They don't talk ahead of the airlines because the schedules are tentative right up t...
Jump to postmannymanatee wrote:Guess which airline is back sun country. Starting in July it is every other day.
Apparently EI is now using AA clubs wherever they are co-located. They're co-located at CLE. Didn't NW once have a club in C Concourse? I wonder if it's still available for rehab. Nice idea; but I guess we'd have to see AA try for a bit more CLE share (their percentage is running in the teens) befor...
Jump to postUnless I'm missing something Spirit is down to 3 daily flights in March, peak spring break season. A321 to FLL, A320 to LAS and MCO. Last one out please turn out the lights. So much for that extra Spirit gate and baggage facility we were excited about a few years ago. I'm really not sure what F9 di...
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