Perhaps an opportunity to start some fleet consolidation around a particular family.... but I’m cynical. They already operate the A350-900, so I expect an order for some Boeing 777-8 to start flights to the USA, only to eventually find out that it's uneconomical and park them in the hot, humid Bang...Jump to post
Although LH new livery is disappointing, Well, it will always remain a matter of personal opinions. I think the livery, as part of a much larger corporate restyling operation, has turned out to be quite good. Some say if have to explain your choices it is not good, but I think the opposite; the liv...Jump to post
EddieDude wrote:qf789 wrote:The A350 for VA is simply too big
As a replacement for the A332s, maybe yes. As a replacement for the 77Ws, A359s would certainly be a good step in the right direction (downsizing).
Tedd wrote:I think the Azul livery looks sharp, particularly the curve of the blue underbelly. I look forward
to seeing it with engines on.
The retaliatory tariffs are expected by analysts to amount in the billions and to be the largest ever authorized by the WTO, and more significantly, that the USTR office does not even expect the tariffs to be limited to aircraft imports, using the word "minor" in your summary half a dozen...Jump to post
In terms of deferred production costs, there is no line item in the Boeing accounts to repay the Japanese Government the subsidy, so the deferred production costs in the Boeing accounts are not a true representation of the full production costs. Exactly. And maybe that is why Airbus never 'touched'...Jump to post
WIederling wrote:"251t now launched"
Does that indicate that some airline already ordered this?
I don't see the 77X in LH fleet somehow. I agree LX will get them but probably not 20. So who knows. Fingers crossed for A35K. Well, they have ordered them for a reason. But imho the combination of the B779 and A35K will be one we are likely to see more and more over the coming decade. So why not a...Jump to post
The first aircraft in the new livery 2.0 has left the paint shop. That's the revised new livery? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: You read it here first.... Yes we did. ;) I bet 99% of folks won't be able to tell the difference between the "new scheme" and the "revised new scheme". :rotf...Jump to post
TheFlyingDisk wrote:Basically it's the usual sale & leaseback deal that other airlines have done previously.
The difference is that in AirAsia's case, they sold a leasing company instead.
william wrote:Being constructed as we speak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... p44Y6cR-YY
Have a feeling it will spawn a new design theme for airports around the world.
People need to realize that it was a complete rebranding and not just a new livery. The livery is of medium importance at best. In the total corporate overhaul of LH presentation to the world of its clients it is probably even less than medium important. And the upcoming tweak is a very minor one m...Jump to post
scbriml wrote:Another storm in a LH teacup.
I bet 99% of folks won't be able to tell the difference between the "new scheme" and the "revised new scheme".
I don't see any major change here, just adjusting the shade of blue. I guess it will be orgasmic here how much it is better now and we were told that from the start lulz. It is indeed only a very minor tweak in the grand overhaul of their corporate identity outings. But they should have tested the ...Jump to post
Hawaiian Airlines denies A330neo order cancellation Hawaiian Airlines (HA, Honolulu) has denied claims circulating in the international media to the effect that it has cancelled an order for six A330-800s. [...] https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/64692-hawaiian-airlines-denies-a330neo-order-ca...Jump to post
You've missed the train. As things stand HA seems to not cancel their A338NEO order: https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/64692-hawaiian-airlines-denies-a330neo-order-cancellation Indeed, from the horse's mouth. So Hawaiian may go for B787-9 for the next fleet addition but they are not cancellin...Jump to post
I read that elsewhere too about the maintenance being lower on the 787. Many here forget going CF wasn't only about weight but also lower maintenance and now its being seen by the airlines in their operating costs. That's better marketing than all the glossy brochures. This presumes that the differ...Jump to post
KarelXWB wrote:And it appears that Airbus will upgrade the A350 cockpit by introducing touch screen monitors in the coming months.
KarelXWB wrote:The A340s will not go to the scrapyard:
http://atwonline.com/airframes/uk-compa ... ihad-a340s
Airbus could match the price but wasn't willing to. And that is all there is to it. Airbus could have easily make the change to the A330-900 or to the A359. They did not. The actions by Boeing are leaving the A330-800 without a customer which is what Boeing was aiming for in this by itself no doubt...Jump to post
That's excellent news. This plane really is going to be a game changer. I would not call it that. it is just the next step in the evolution of modern airliners. Also the A380 or B787 are no game changers in that sense to me. All new airplanes are changing the market, and thus the game step by step....Jump to post
That's a large addition for an airline operating 9 737 and 4 737 today. I wonder if they want to be a sort of Alitalia successor, particularly with the rebrand of Meridiana as Air Italy. Al Baker made it clear Air Italy should become "the star" of Italy and wants to beat Alitalia on every...Jump to post
Frankly, the more I see this livery, the more I think that Lufthansa have absolutely nailed it. When watching the videos on the 'Explore the New' website (https://www.explorethenew.com/de/de), I really got the impression that the designers have a huge amount of respect for the brand and that they w...Jump to post
You are absolutely right, but I've never claimed Airbus didn't receive subsidies; repayable or low interest it is still their only means of bringing a new product to market with a chance of profitability . But here's the thing, I don't think Boeing are innocent either. And that's what makes this wh...Jump to post
MUC and FRA will be quite a dull place in a few years. For sure they will be more lively and classy in few years. :) I didn't like the livery days before. Meanwhile I like it. It is elegant and classic. In my view it is a good idea to give the colour blue a more important role. I completely agree. ...Jump to post
https://i.imgur.com/Jfvztuq.jpg I guess this shows that the general public on average has better taste imho than quite a number of posters here. But as always the ones opposing the change are much more vocal than the ones approving a change. Especially where emotions come into play we see this phen...Jump to post
There's a presentation video in the Lufthansa Intranet about the developement of the new livery. In that video they also show other livery drafts that have been considered but disregarded. Many of the drafts from this very forum thread are shown there and obviously lost against the final livery. Ma...Jump to post
My money is on a split board within Lufthansa on this one and that it has plenty of opposition from within as well as support. If that were true something would have leaked out to the media very soon. Or the change would not have been put into effect in the company at all. You are just speculating ...Jump to post
You are using deferred costs against Boeing - where is the 30 Billion for the A380 accounted for? Those are already fully written off by Airbus. So these development and ramp-up costs don't play any role anymore in Airbus's financial results. Only the small operational result (which I believe is a ...Jump to post
Oh, c'mon, please! There's nothing sharp, inventive or innovative in stripping the entire fuselage of any colour, conceptual design, marquees or logos... it's...absolutely empty, it's VOID... The result is hardly phenomenal. It's a pure white fuselage with a dark blue fin. End of story. Even though...Jump to post
Lufthansa must be the first airline to do this. I can't think of any other. It's an interesting approach to corporate branding, and time will tell if it succeeds. Nice to see some creative thinking for once, instead of standard approach of slapping the airline colours over everything. I think so to...Jump to post
It's undergoing the same sort of continuous improvement, including feedback from the flight test and certification programme that every airliner does. Improvment on what is already the most advanced jetliner ever built :) Rgds Continuously raising the bar, as all aircraft, engines and system manufa...Jump to post
It's a shame Lufthansa settled on such a lame livery. What a disappointment, what a missed opportunity. -ir The way I see it they succeeded much better than almost everyone to take a very sharp and integral look at their corporate identity. I am very impressed with the results of that strategy so f...Jump to post
They've uploaded an English version of the presentation: https://youtu.be/_puSnvKy_ak I think it is very good that they have taken this effort for the non-German speaking world to explain the idea behind the operation. After viewing it I guess now many more people than before will understand and ap...Jump to post
I anticipate that over the next few years Airbus profit and cashflow will rebound strongly I'll tell you what isn't happening A lazy workforce :shakehead: Poor efficiency :shakehead: Arcane financial practices :shakehead: Selling its planes too cheaply :shakehead: Ignore those peddling these messag...Jump to post
Sky blue is not a luxury color in the abstract, but it is when it’s Tiffany. Context is EVERYTHING. The yellow (IMPO) was a crucial part of communications for Lufthansa- could it have been used in a new way: sure. Tossing it out may come as a regret. It does feel as if Lufthansa has Singapore envy ...Jump to post
A350-1000 airfield performance turns out to be better than anticipated, while weight is on target. Full article http://aviationweek.com/singapore-airshow-2018/airbus-debuts-a350-1000-singapore-airshow These numbers are significantly better than previously thought. I would say a job well done to Air...Jump to post
I think one way to look at it is that despite LH being an airline, it realized that most interaction with the airline has very little to do with the outside of the airplane. I wouldn’t be surprised if they worked on digital channels, crew uniforms, airport signage, and cabin items+ interiors first,...Jump to post