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by N649DL
Wed May 22, 2019 5:01 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: NW vs UA Who was stronger in TPAC network?
Replies: 41
Views: 3290

Re: NW vs UA Who was stronger in TPAC network?

About the same, they both went back and fourth as being #1 IMHO. For instance both operated flights to NRT from spoke cities: NW did ORD-NRT, UA (before merging with CO) did EWR-NRT, both did SEA-NRT. Very similar but UA's SFO hub was a better jumping point than DTW. NW made DTW work well to Asia th...

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by N649DL
Wed May 22, 2019 12:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?
Replies: 74
Views: 8904

Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

17 years old? That's nothing. Delta has 757-200s that are 25+ years old and will fly with new interiors until they're not airworthy anymore (maxing out cycles) The 753 is a rare breed. No direct replacement unless DL wants to convert 763s to a domestic configuration (all of the domestic 763s have be...

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by N649DL
Wed May 15, 2019 3:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business insider: Boeing 737-800 is “older version of MAX”
Replies: 104
Views: 16182

Re: Business insider: Boeing 737-800 is “older version of MAX”

Media spinning as usual FTW. The 738 doesn't have the software issues which led to downed planes or the same engine types. Yet the public is going to be scared for a while when flying on a "737" because they don't know the difference between the MAX and the NG 737s. In fact, I chose to fly...

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by N649DL
Sat May 11, 2019 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Denver hub 1990s?
Replies: 69
Views: 8245

Re: United Denver hub 1990s?

Cal lite was the ‘brainchild’ of Bob Ferguson, who’s management genius was on the same level as Smisek It was such a money losing disaster it nearly caused Cal to re-enter bankruptcy and the situation was only salvaged at the last minute by the hiring of Gordon Bethune and his brilliant management ...

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by N649DL
Sat May 11, 2019 4:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery
Replies: 114
Views: 15535

Re: American Airlines 767 Cabins Since Delivery

With only have 56K dial up back in the 1990s, AA's interiors were difficult to track. Here's what I'm thinking for certain aircraft types: 1. MD-80: AA heavily invested in the new interiors of the hundreds of S80s in the fleet so that they stayed competitive. By 2001-2002 all had new seats and adjus...

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by N649DL
Sat May 11, 2019 2:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Denver hub 1990s?
Replies: 69
Views: 8245

Re: United Denver hub 1990s?

Why would they have dumped DEN, which was pretty consistently the largest hub not named Chicago? And even if they had, CO sure as heck wasn’t just going to be able to waltz in the front door without a fight from WN, DL, F9, and AA. What's crazier to me is how (according to this thread) CO dumped it...

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by N649DL
Thu May 09, 2019 6:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What will replace United's 767’s
Replies: 46
Views: 8512

Re: What will replace United's 767’s

The 787-8 at 30% higher OEW than a 767-300ER is going to be way much airplane for a lot of routes. The additional seats on the 788 will be way less than 30% thereby reducing the margins of the 788s lower operating costs. The 788 is a very heavy “plastic” airplane. Recall when Dirt bag Jeff Smisek w...

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by N649DL
Wed May 08, 2019 11:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Denver hub 1990s?
Replies: 69
Views: 8245

Re: United Denver hub 1990s?

Going even more OT, IMO CO should've made a move for F9. They had quite an extensive codeshare, complementary fleets and networks, and CO really wanted to get back in to DEN. Before the UA merger, there were rumors that if UA dumped DEN during bankruptcy, that CO would be all over it like white on ...

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by N649DL
Sun May 05, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Denver hub 1990s?
Replies: 69
Views: 8245

Re: United Denver hub 1990s?

I honestly think if CO stuck it out at DEN they would've still have been there for a long while up until the merger with UA. Had CALite not happened, possibly. DEN made a lot of sense in CO's network, and CO had such a long history there. It's easy to see how the hub would have maybe faded away in ...

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by N649DL
Sun May 05, 2019 4:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Denver hub 1990s?
Replies: 69
Views: 8245

Re: United Denver hub 1990s?

I always like the CO hub that operated at Stapleton, but didnt operate at DEN. I find it fascinating that CO operated Stapleton-LGW on the last flight...never to return back to DEN. Was there a dispute with the airport over costs? Not really. CO was actually the first (and for a while, the only) ai...

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by N649DL
Thu May 02, 2019 10:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did UA cancel SEA-NRT?
Replies: 48
Views: 6221

Re: Why did UA cancel SEA-NRT?

The second era of UA's SEA-NRT was really the casualty of a lot of factors, most of which being the 2001 recession, 9/11, UA's bankruptcy, and eventually Smisek who gutted UA's SEA operation. The flight originated and terminated in DEN, which at the time couldn't alone support DEN-NRT with a 777. B...

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by N649DL
Thu May 02, 2019 5:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did UA cancel SEA-NRT?
Replies: 48
Views: 6221

Re: Why did UA cancel SEA-NRT?

It was a Smisek era "Scorched Earth" cut along with closing BKK. Sure SEA-NRT was probably breaking even (or not as profitable as the other routes to NRT) but the main reason I believe was the SEA base was super senior and did cost a lot of money to maintain it. Although it did give DL th...

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by N649DL
Thu May 02, 2019 1:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did UA cancel SEA-NRT?
Replies: 48
Views: 6221

Re: Why did UA cancel SEA-NRT?

It was a Smisek era "Scorched Earth" cut along with closing BKK. Sure SEA-NRT was probably breaking even (or not as profitable as the other routes to NRT) but the main reason I believe was the SEA base was super senior and did cost a lot of money to maintain it. Although it did give DL the...

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by N649DL
Wed May 01, 2019 5:25 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Where does UA fly the 777-300ER out of?
Replies: 12
Views: 2578

Re: Where does UA fly the 777-300ER out of?

UA857 wrote:
Why no 777-300ER service out of ORD?


Likely become some sCO 772s have freed up from EWR (EWR-BOM/TLV/NRT were all sCO 777 variant) for ORD flights to Asia and have the highly capable GE90 engines for it. That an quite a few sUA 777s are likely in for Polaris mods at the moment.

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by N649DL
Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines could return to Tel Aviv (TLV)?
Replies: 50
Views: 7405

Re: American Airlines could return to Tel Aviv (TLV)?

Wasn't there some TWA contract that isn't allowing them to return? I believe so. I believe this was because US served TLV from PHL and after the merger, AA dropped it because of TWA ties. I can't confirm what it was, but I believe it was potentially because after AA/TWA merged, AA shut down the TLV...

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by N649DL
Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United MCO hub?
Replies: 82
Views: 11845

Re: United MCO hub?

I'm not sure where they flew, but the database shows UAX aircraft at MCO in 1993. https://www.airliners.net/photo/United-Express-Atlantic-Coast-Airlines/British-Aerospace-BAe-3201-Jetstream-Super-31/5467689?qsp=eJwljkEOwjAMBP/icw5EpaDkBh%2BgBz5gJVZbKSSRYySqqn/HhNt6dzXrHULJQh95bpXAQyPksICBioyvBn7Xwj...

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by N649DL
Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

http://ir.united.com/corporate-governance/company-leadership UA has many women in senior roles. It's not 50/50 (yet) but it's certainly been trending the right direction. Care to back up your statement? What does gender ratio have to do with this? I'm talking overall culture and transparency of the...

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by N649DL
Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

It just seems politically motivated, thick glass ceiling type of corporate work culture. . http://ir.united.com/corporate-governance/company-leadership UA has many women in senior roles. It's not 50/50 (yet) but it's certainly been trending the right direction. Care to back up your statement? What ...

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by N649DL
Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

I dislike the matchy matchy engine, winglets and tail. I like this particular shade of blue but overall this refreshed livery seems completely uninspired. I'm sure they used in-house marketing department along with outside branding agencies. A better path would be to get submittals from fashion des...

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by N649DL
Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

I'm a fan. I think they did a good job keeping the heritage branding but making it look not-dated. Munoz continues to impress in his improvement and unwinding of the Smisek disaster. For a moment I was thinking if only Oscar had been there from the start. But he sat on the BOD at CAL when Larry wal...

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by N649DL
Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United MCO hub?
Replies: 82
Views: 11845

Re: United MCO hub?

For anyone interested, here is a rundown of United's Orlando flights effective July 1, 1992: FROM ORLANDO To Boston: 1:55pm (737) 6:50pm (737) To Chicago Midway 8:50am (737) 2:05pm (737) 7:55pm (737) To Chicago O'Hare 7:00am (737) 9:05am (757) 12:50pm (DC10) 7:10pm (737) To Denver: 9:05am (737) 5:5...

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by N649DL
Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why are UA´s 777-300ER designated as 777-322ERs?
Replies: 69
Views: 11498

Re: Why are UA´s 777-300ER designated as 777-322ERs?

CO Boeing Customer Code is 24, not -224; so, the CO 737-900ER's would be 737-924ER's (and some 737-900 non-ER's). And the 787 never had Customer Codes assigned to them; the TCDS does not list them, just 787-8, 787-9 or 787-10. Ah thanks, brain fart on my part. So there are no 739s with the -22 at t...

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by N649DL
Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Q1 2019 Results
Replies: 54
Views: 7420

Re: AA Q1 2019 Results

Delta doesn't just have competition free hubs by accident. Atlanta has long had rival carriers attempting to build hubs there. Delta has fought them off. Southwest back 15-20 years ago was much bigger in SLC. Delta fought them off. Detroit had Spirit in their old business model. Northwest fought th...

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by N649DL
Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why are UA´s 777-300ER designated as 777-322ERs?
Replies: 69
Views: 11498

Re: Why are UA´s 777-300ER designated as 777-322ERs?

Can't believe there is a thread about this! Been explained in countless A-net threads. Simple answer is Boeing used to assign a customer code to each airline that ordered an aircraft. In the early days it may have meant something as far as configuration/options but that is no longer the case. Boein...

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by N649DL
Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Q1 2019 Results
Replies: 54
Views: 7420

Re: AA Q1 2019 Results

What is Delta doing so differently versus the rest of the industry!? One thing I've noticed when shopping for flights is that Delta is ALWAYS PRICED HIGHER than the competition every time on international long-haul. Delta must be doing something right... At this point, DL's reputation has been so p...

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by N649DL
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why are UA´s 777-300ER designated as 777-322ERs?
Replies: 69
Views: 11498

Re: Why are UA´s 777-300ER designated as 777-322ERs?

Why are UA´s 777-300ERs designated as -322ERs and 787 and 737 designated as with the -24 customer code? Can't believe there is a thread about this! Been explained in countless A-net threads. Simple answer is Boeing used to assign a customer code to each airline that ordered an aircraft. In the earl...

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by N649DL
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

It is showing fine for me... This is the link for the photo posted: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2d9b6ud&s=9#.XMNi2S_My7Y Wow! Thanks! It must be a problem with a certain type of computer. I love the 757-200 in that livery. The new scheme does look good on the 757 mockup, except for the &quo...

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by N649DL
Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am 747 Cabin Era Article #4 | Refresh Era: Even During Financial Difficulties, You Can Still Look Good (1984-1987)
Replies: 22
Views: 3449

Re: Pan Am 747 Cabin Era Article #4 | Refresh Era: Even During Financial Difficulties, You Can Still Look Good (1984-198

Thanks for sharing! It's really interesting to see all the different interiors, and how they reflect the styles of their times. Yes and how it started to reflect the financial difficulties of Pan Am. Pan Am had a lot of debt during this time. Ironically, their most well-kept interiors were the fina...

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by N649DL
Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

I dont think its bad, but something doesnt sit right with it. I think it does need another colour. Turquoise on the top of the body instead of white maybe or a full-on blue bottom like the engine colors. It would be nice if they stuck a small Tulip in the same color scheme on the side of the plane ...

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by N649DL
Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:58 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Funniest in-flight announcements?
Replies: 44
Views: 3227

Re: Funniest in-flight announcements?

The weekend after the 2016 Presidential election flying DL in F on MSP-DEN from MCO on an A320. He basically said you can have political differences but please respect each other. This was right after a bunch of flights were having passengers fight each other over politics so I think he was scared o...

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by N649DL
Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United MCO hub?
Replies: 82
Views: 11845

Re: United MCO hub?

United had a miami min hub. Delta had a Orlando hub. Lots of information online about either. No reason for people to rewrite what a simple Google search will pull up pages of information on. UA had a short lived mini hub in MCO in 1994-1995 and pulled it quickly independent of MIA which was pulled...

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by N649DL
Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

This alone is worthy of praise, especially after the Dr Dao fiasco. It's people who make up the airline. It's people who pay to fly on these planes. It's a bold statement to put this on the front of every aircraft. I don't fully love this livery, but this was a great move. https://pbs.twimg.com/med...

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by N649DL
Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVlNf4Io2Do

EDIT: Never mind make that Michael McDonald, perfect for the two carriers!
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I posted it earlier but lord, this is not too much different than 30 years ago (minus Peter Cetera doing background vocals): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVlNf4Io2Do

EDIT: Never mind make that Michael McDonald, perfect for the two carriers!

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by N649DL
Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

All this suspense for this? What a disappointment. I did not see any revolution according to the CEO of the company! It's an evolution of the color pallet, not the logo itself. To me that's disappointing based on what was initially implied by corporate. Typically United Corporate, they think someth...

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by N649DL
Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

As someone noted earlier, the word on the drawing is CONFIDENTIAL. The yellow is tape. I still stand by that it could be stock footage. Check out this video starting at 1:19 lot's of paint rendering shots from 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVlNf4Io2Do&t=3s But this footage doesn’t look ...

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by N649DL
Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

Here is a still from the video showing, presumably, the reference image the painters used. https://i.imgur.com/K0KeO9P.png My guess: 1) Tail stays the same, save for the removal of gold from the globe 2) Billboard titles on the fuselage (based on the Her Art Here and Star Wars schemes we've seen) 3...

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by N649DL
Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta 763 Retirement
Replies: 14
Views: 2927

Re: Delta 763 Retirement

I flew on the domestic 763s quite a few times over the last decade but mainly DTW-LAX, LAX-MSP-LAX, LAX-ATL-LAX and even a one off on ATL-EWR in September 2010. I never experienced an MX delay and I really liked the AVOD at each seat which was reliable. It's funny how most of them were built between...

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by N649DL
Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

Here is a still from the video showing, presumably, the reference image the painters used. https://i.imgur.com/K0KeO9P.png My guess: 1) Tail stays the same, save for the removal of gold from the globe 2) Billboard titles on the fuselage (based on the Her Art Here and Star Wars schemes we've seen) 3...

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by N649DL
Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 1133
Views: 211527

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Denver’s population is growing - how could that translate to *less* O&D? By that line of thinking, United should dehub SFO because the cost of living and population are increasing there too. By every metric, UA’s expansion at DEN has been a success. The conpany’s very pleased with it and is con...

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by N649DL
Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 1133
Views: 211527

Re: United Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

N505UA 757-222 being brought out of Retirement tomorrow. Ferry from GYR to MIA for some checks. Then back in Service. This is due to the 737 MAX Groundings. HAH! I called that one in one of the AA threads about 757s coming out of the desert for the MAX groundings. Is this the only one coming back f...

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by N649DL
Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA EWR-EZE Route Performance
Replies: 53
Views: 10364

Re: UA EWR-EZE Route Performance

American owns Argentina. I would never consider UA or DL. DL has issues all the time and with only 1 flight a day they have no wiggle room for any MX issues. Let's remember that the only reason UA added EWREZE was because the VPs at Network Planning (many ex-AA) knew how well AA did on that route. ...

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by N649DL
Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery released
Replies: 1708
Views: 329454

Re: United Airlines "Evolution" to Globe Livery coming in April

the Tulip will only live on in the form of a possible retro livery. ...and it only took 9yrs for some to finally figure that out. ;) I still am curious to one of the users that got a sneak look internally and they'll be using the "U" as a secret logo on some collateral. That would be a ni...

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by N649DL
Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did United ever fly JFK-MIA?
Replies: 30
Views: 5060

Re: Did United ever fly JFK-MIA?

It is such a shame MIA closed before the merger. I think with the mass CO brought in LatAm it could have been a strategic complement to IAH but once closed it is never coming back sadly Not only that, but UAEX flew out of Terminal J which was new at the time and traded it in for the dumpy CO gates ...

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by N649DL
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did United ever fly JFK-MIA?
Replies: 30
Views: 5060

Re: Did United ever fly JFK-MIA?

Yep. Pre-merger MIA was not a mainline station (ie at least 6 months of the year it was RJ only, IIRC) for UA. Actually UA did fly mainline seasonally in 2009-2010. It was a 757 on DEN-MIA-DEN of all places and not ORD. EWR-MIA was served until late 1999 on 727s and 735s. However, I do remember pos...

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by N649DL
Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did CO ever fly to JFK
Replies: 31
Views: 5787

Re: Did CO ever fly to JFK

UA857 wrote:
Did Continental fly to JFK at the time of the United merger?


Definitely not. By then UA was just down to PS JFK-SFO/LAX and Express to IAD. Other than EWR, CO only flew from LGA to CLE/IAH and weekend non-stops to AUA of all places.

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by N649DL
Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type
Replies: 74
Views: 10164

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

I don't believe any 752s have been pulled out of the desert. I think the re-concentration of the fleet at DFW is coming as quite a few of the former transatlantic 757 routes have been dropped (e.g. JFK-DUB) or upgauged to 763s (e.g. PHL-LIS), and as lots of the former Caribbean and South American 7...

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by N649DL
Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type
Replies: 74
Views: 10164

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Honestly, I haven't seen so many AA 757 departures out of DFW (22) in quite a while. Seems like it's the mainstay for them this summer compared to the other hubs. Are they maybe pulling some out of the desert because of the MAX ban? I felt like the AA 757 recently was more of a PHL / MIA baseline p...

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by N649DL
Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type
Replies: 74
Views: 10164

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Honestly, I haven't seen so many AA 757 departures out of DFW (22) in quite a while. Seems like it's the mainstay for them this summer compared to the other hubs. Are they maybe pulling some out of the desert because of the MAX ban? I felt like the AA 757 recently was more of a PHL / MIA baseline pl...

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by N649DL
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United EWR to SFO not always PS?
Replies: 10
Views: 2574

Re: United EWR to SFO not always PS

EWR-SFO on UA is a combo of the ex-CO 757 (16 J seats) and legacy UA with a larger J cabin also spread between BOS-SFO and EWR-LAX. There are only 15 frames left, hence why UA flies the awful 777s with the 2-4-2 Business Class on the route as they're stretched thin. The ex-CO 757 are also on BOS-LAX...

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by N649DL
Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Phoenix to Tokyo?
Replies: 68
Views: 9311

Re: AA Phoenix to Tokyo?

I don't see why PHX-NRT couldn't be a possibility on AA. Honestly, PHX-LHR was more of a stretch IMHO and that's currently booking well on a 777, and it's not even on more compact large long haul planes like the 788 or 763. They just went for it, but perhaps it was because BA flew a 744 on the route...

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