Any update on their financial performance on the first 3 quarters of 2022? Only heard about their good load factors Turned a $1.3 million profit in the third quarter, the rest were loss-making. https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/fly-play-hf-92-thousand-150000476.html Not quite +$1.3M is the celebrat...
Jump to postWhat is the status of MTOW increase for 737-8MAX ? From a previous thread it sounded like a fully loaded with 160pax FI config cannot fill it's tanks, while s 737-9MAX can
Jump to postDespite one or two seeing it as funny, nobody actually answered the above question: "What will carry the fish then?" ie. What will replace the B752Fs TF-FIG and FIH which are largely used for fish export work? I've personally loaded FIH a couple of times on special one off freight charter...
Jump to postMy input below is for 3 scenarios concerning Icelandair (FI): SC1 - Boeing i. Have a mixed fleet of B737MAXs (to replace the B752s would be the 7M9) and replace the 2 B753s + 3 B763ERs with B788s ii. The B788 would have the ideal pax and cargo carrying capability to satisfy being an ideal replaceme...
Jump to postFI is a bit of an odd duck; their location is such that they don't exactly need an aircraft with 16 hours of flying range, a la 789/350. And yet.. their location is such that they need more capability than the MAX/NEO offer. I'm not sure a MAX10 can do KEF-SFO with any meaningful numbers of PAX and...
Jump to postThis'll be for 757 and 767 replacement.. Well, what will carry the fish then? :rotfl: In early October of this year FI leased TF-ISH, a 23~24 year old B763CF from Titan Aviation Holdings. I imagine it will be the "fish hauler". It joins TF-FIH, a B757-200PCF & TF-FIG, a B757-200APF in...
Jump to postFI's 2nd bank used to involve day flights on NA-KEF in 2011-2017 from a variety of destinations, which included BOS-KEF, JFK-KEF, YYZ-KEF and IAD-KEF. Flights departed KEF around 9:30-10am, arrived in the late morning and then departed around noon to arrive back in KEF at 9:30-11:30pm. For some of ...
Jump to postI could see XLR for AS to operate a CA hub to Latin America. LAX, SNA or SAN which could also strengthen the operations of those locations for them and generally harden their CA / "west coast" presence. However, as they have just pulled out of MEX I am not convinced. AS has not been big on...
Jump to postShrink shrink shrink FI JFK-KEF JUN 2>1.6[1.8] JUL 2>1.5[1.9] FI KEF-ORD JUN 2>1.6[1.9] JUL 2>1.6[1.9] AUG 2.0>1.5[1.8] While relatively minor, the question is if it a true shrink due to market realities or a risk mitigation manuver to deal with the fact that they will possibly be short of the 14 7...
Jump to postIt isn't only the height, but also the shape and location. The FAA vetoed some of the Los Angeles NFL stadium proposals because it could cause radar reflections resulting in a change of geometry and sinking the structure by 100ft. https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nfl-ingelwood-stadium-20151111-s...
Jump to postI should have framed the statement better. I believe that the greatest proportion of revenue comes from North America, I.e.that they pick up around 70% of revenue there. I'd be surprised if this metric leaned towards Europe... Icelandair's revenue in 2018 originated from; North America 40% Iceland ...
Jump to postWe also should think about, that Icelandair expected to take delivery of further three MAX next year, bringing the fleet to 12. Actually (3) MAX 9 and (2) MAX 8 for delivery in 2020 for a total of a 14 frame fleet according to the original delivery plan. Last two frames (one of each) of the origina...
Jump to postThey can blame the MAX as much as they want, but a lot of these routes were added in response to WW. WW was marketed more towards the US-Europe market and FI was trying to compete and match it...in the end WW failed and now FI is pulling back out of markets that don't make sense with their business...
Jump to post*FI KEF-PDX NOV 0.4>0[0.0] DEC 0.4>0[0] This was already announced a while ago, it’s summer seasonal this year only due to fleet shortages stemming from the MAX grounding. While the winter is low season, the 757s all undergo B- or C-checks during it which need to be accounted for. Should be back to...
Jump to postThe US$439M cash flow gap in Q2 because credit card companies don't want to bankroll them anymore must hurt really really bad.... The funds, needed for everyday operations, will come once eventually flown, yet compare this gap with the $350M raised for new shares in Q1 and $225M for sale of assets i...
Jump to postWN is still low cost. The fly much longer routes and that has a cost. Their short haul is still ridiculously cheap. I have flown WN extensively, mainly intra-CA (short haul) but also around the country. Enough flying for some years of companion passes. Cheap is not what comes to my mind with WN. In...
Jump to postInteresting, thanks for the update. My bet would be Icelandair. There are only four operators left. It's highly likely that 4X-BAU will go to Icelandair since they purchased I-NDDL from Arkia less than two years ago. Ferried TLV-KEF 1- 2 Mar 2018 on delivery painted in "100 Years Icelandic Ind...
Jump to postSurprised noone has queried the title of this thread, transatlantic technically means from Europe/Africa/Middle East to North/Central/South America, these dash 8s are not operating Transatlantic, they are operating over the Atlantic into Europe, just like the 757s and 767s do from Iceland and the A...
Jump to postI'm sure I remember seeing Icelandair F27s operating KEF-GLA back in the day (1980s), is my memory correct? You are partly correct, the routing was Reykjavik (BIRK) - Vaagar, Faroes - Glasgow. And same way back. This had to do with connecting the Faroes and Scotland. And they were Fk50s :) The 50s ...
Jump to postOf the top five US destinations from Iceland, zero are in the west coast. Number six is SFO, which has nonstop to KEF. Unsure about your statistics unless it involves an excercise in loosing money on $99 fares to fill a high density A333 out of SFO. Those days have passed. This summer however, SEA ...
Jump to postFargo wrote:Next up for FI should be codesharing with WN and using WN’s enormous domestic feed for flights to Europe.
Imagine the possibilities......
DFW is within 757 range, IAH is not. Very important distinction given FI's current fleet as they only have 4 767s, all of which are accounted for on BOS/IAD/JFK/MSP/SEA/SFO/YYZ (depending on season). Houston is what.. 30 miles further than PDX? And 450miles further than SFO which does operate on an...
Jump to postAmerican is planning the final retirement of its fleet of 24 LAA 757s, the ones configured for international travel, between 2023 and 2025 when the NeoLRs will start to arrive. So, unless they are up for retirement in the desert, because they have a high number of cycles, maybe Icelandair can have ...
Jump to postThe A321NeoXLR could go as far as KEF-SEA, KEF-YVR or KEF-IST nonstop. 4700NM range. 4700nm gives you much more to play with than that, if that's indeed the number: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=4700nm%40kef Here is a decent read - just note the 150 seat 3 class layout in the conclusions; https://le...
Jump to post- LAX is in their sights Perhaps it could allow for a small third bank to Europe in the afternoon following a turn in SFO, LAX during the high season like the 2004/5 SFO flight was operated (SAN would be a good add as well but probably not for an airline in a risk averse mode). - they were looking f...
Jump to postI wonder if the are wishing they had bailed out WW? I'm sure the losses at WW were worth it for the broader economic impact, although FI might have been damaged long term. I doubt it. Traffic is now at 2016 levels. Shoveling pax to the country below operating costs was an activity that needed to be...
Jump to postHow many 7M9s/7M8s was FI supposed to have in summer 2019? Had there not be any MAX grounding, would they have retired any 75s & 76s? Best, 346fetish 9 Max frames, 6 737-8 and 3737-9, should have been in use at Icelandair this summer. There was no plan to retire 757 or 767 this summer. The one ...
Jump to postThis is a slender thread to hang on ... but ... IcelandAir has not removed CLE from its route map and destination list. DFW, another discontinued city, HAS been dropped from the map/dest. list. I wonder if they are planning to try again after the Max grounding thing is over - say spring of '20. Las...
Jump to postSvenie wrote:interesting why they choose the Fokker 50... ?
low leaseprices? airport restrictions? what about mx?
Is there still any talk of the former management team starting another airline? If I recall, right after the collapse, they planned to start this summer ( which was doubtful IMO )! Any news on the subject? Everything went silent on those plans pretty soon and Skúli Mogensen has all but disappeared ...
Jump to postI also agree with this 100% where I blame Icelandair is for stringing them along for so long until they were past the point of no return when no one could help them. I contend the Icelandair had no intention of ever helping them out but rather getting in the way of other possible solutions. Iceland...
Jump to postClearly you don't understand how the market works. Icelandair was making a loss because of WOW Air, that's for sure. You say they should accept lower load factors while keeping their fares up, but I can guarantee you if they did that their losses would be even bigger than they already were. Empty s...
Jump to postBut hey as long as the countries beloved Icelandair survived who cares about all the losers in the WOW Air collapse. It was a carefully orchestrated plan to eliminate the competition and proof of that was the rise in air fares the day after WOW Air went out of business. Was it a conspiracy? Who els...
Jump to postI am sorry but allowing WOW Air to collapse was not in anyone's best interest except Icelandair. Sorry that's a fact toursism and jobs in Iceland suffer when you take away almost 50% of the capacity why is that so hard to understand. WOW Air provided a product that was beneficial to many and I stan...
Jump to postHey everyone, I just had an interesting discussion with someone who went to the US in the early 90s (91-93) due to work. He told me he requently took the route LUX-KEF and then either Washington DC or Boston with Iceland Air. Does anyone here know which aircrafts they used back then? 767s? Besides,...
Jump to posthttps://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/283691/icelandair-san-francisco-aircraft-changes-in-may-2019/ http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=kef-sfo That's 4,204 mi/6765 km/3653 nm Is this the longest scheduled 757 flight? According to wiki, the longest was RDU-CDG on Delta at 3522 nm. They have fl...
Jump to postLooks like they’ll be using the 767 at least at BOS, ORD, and MSP this summer. Maybe more cities. JFK, IAD and SFO as well, along with various European cities Can we expect Icelandair to pick up the slack at DTW and BWI before summers end just like Transavia did from AMS. Detroit seems something th...
Jump to postIcelander here too. Just booked flights to NY this morning at prices way higher than few days ago when I checked. Should have booked then, but oh well. An instant reduction of WW's 200 available seats per day can quickly ramp up the demand of FI's remaining 350-450 daily seats. Including from those...
Jump to postSCQ83 wrote:Also interesting that DEL (WOW), DUS (Icelandair) and FCO (Norwegian) started in W18 and are already being chopped.
Blueknows wrote:Trying to find out who bought these slots. Anyone know where I might find how much they sold for?
http://www.ruv.is/frett/wow-to-leave-gatwick-amid-chaos
Just for info, WOW is not that large in terms of revenue. Revenue wise, Air Atlanta Icelandic (AAI) is BY FAR the biggest earner and the airline making the most profit in Iceland, followed at a large distance by Icelandair. You should check your sources again. Icelandair Group had more than six tim...
Jump to postI was talking about what the debt would do to Iceland if they went bust, not the size of the fleet. Should have said (weird as it sounds) too bankrupt to fail in a country with a small GDP. But you are correct though... might cause things to balance out. The debt is certainly a factor as it can pul...
Jump to postFI fly GLA-KEF where they have no competition to KEF and the transatlantic flights out of GLA are seasonal summer only. In recent memory there have not been many winter suspensions for FI (2011-13 perhaps, for a while it was a triangle with MAN) on the GLA route. My memory tells me these were excep...
Jump to postWow, none of those loads are particularly great. No they aren't even with the summer included and low fares. Wonder how BOS would be without the B6 feed. What are good loads then? I looked at some others for the same period; Icelandair US destinations 79% as per above Icelandair ALL destinations 81...
Jump to postIcelandair is the rare carrier that might not be taking too much of a hit with the Max 8 groundings. Their schedule really slows down over the late fall / winter / early spring and I suspect they have the 757 capacity and additional staff to make up for any Max 8 issues, especially as they only hav...
Jump to postYYZ on 757 (perhaps there isn't one today?). Could probably be a 737MAX if they had one. YYZ already gets the ICE MAX 8. This summer YYZ will be 2x daily ICE (1x daily 752, 1x daily 738 MAX). It has seen a MAX handful of times yes. Last few weeks its been on a 757. If they had a 4th MAX frame with ...
Jump to postThat business model has no future in FI's plans, which is why they need the new (from summer this year) dual bank hub model to work. There seems no reason to assume it won't, provided growth continues and the big transatlantic JVs don't get jittery enough to retaliate about capacity being added. Ag...
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Jump to postI was envisioning the 737MAX doing the bulk of Europe and eastern North America flying. It makes sense to utilize the newest aircraft at the highest levels possible. The 737 also covers the majority of Icelandair's routes. Use the 757s for longer missions to North America - saving hours and cycles ...
Jump to postAn interesting article about aircraft sales to the Eastern Block in the 1980s
https://www.joc.com/airbus-wins-order-u ... 00124.html