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by Noray
Wed Mar 06, 2024 2:38 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: How to defend against slow unmanned strike vehicles?
Replies: 292
Views: 37934

Re: How to defend against slow unmanned strike vehicles?

The question is not about purchasing cost, but how much the consumables cost for the elimination of one drone. That is where radar controlled AAA shines. A drone is cheap but the few bullets to silence it even cheaper. Contraves/Rheinmetal has the AHEAD ammo, which is programmed when leaving the no...

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by Noray
Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:22 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Outstanding Mission by IAF C-130J
Replies: 1
Views: 992

Re: Outstanding Mission by IAF C-130J

Sounds like PR articles related to the competition for future IAF orders for new transport aircraft. The "rudimentary and unfeasible air strip" (Simpleflying even calls it a "gravel airstrip") turns out to be Chinyalisaur Airport . Its concrete runway was extetended in 2016, acco...

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by Noray
Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:04 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing P-8 vs Boeing E7 Wedgetail
Replies: 34
Views: 5197

Re: Boeing P-8 vs Boeing E7 Wedgetail

Norway have a much bigger coastline than Germany. We also have a large ocean area and continental shelf Which is why it puzzles me why Germany has more P-8s ordered than Norway with plans for more. bt The P-8 radar apparently now does a very good job detecting ground targets and combined with an op...

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by Noray
Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:25 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: French Air Force A330 from France to SFO
Replies: 6
Views: 1982

Re: French Air Force A330 from France to SFO

It's one of the A330s acquired by the French Air Force in 2020 that now belong to the Escadron de ravitaillement en vol et de transport stratégique 2/31 Esterel in Istres/LFMI, where the flight started. It replaces the French Air Force A340s and A310 and is supposed to be converted to MRTT configura...

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by Noray
Thu Sep 28, 2023 1:18 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: IL-76 crash in Gao - video emerged
Replies: 26
Views: 7001

Re: IL-76 crash in Gao - video emerged

From what I read, this was not a military aircraft but one belonging to Rubystar Airways with Belarusian registration EW412TH. Also, Flightradar24 shows this aircraft departing Istanbul on the accident date of Sept 23 but disappearing before nearing the Aegean Sea. Though there are rumors it may ha...

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by Noray
Fri Aug 18, 2023 8:36 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Air Force retires its A340 prematurely next week
Replies: 71
Views: 11586

Re: German Air Force retires its A340 prematurely next week

And I have no confidence the situation will improve with news like this. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-walks-back-plan-meet-nato-spending-target-annual-basis-2023-08-16/ "Germany walks back plan to meet NATO spending target on annual basis" "BERLIN, Aug 16 (Reuters) - ...

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by Noray
Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:15 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Air Force retires its A340 prematurely next week
Replies: 71
Views: 11586

Re: German Air Force retires its A340 prematurely next week

Poor journalism that eagerly gathers the low-hanging fruit that German candor about military readiness problems offers, but doesn't even find out that Lufthansa Technik is involved in maintaining the Luftwaffe's A340s. The article is not the problem. It's the Luftwaffe's job to maintain and operate...

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by Noray
Thu Aug 17, 2023 2:10 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Air Force retires its A340 prematurely next week
Replies: 71
Views: 11586

Re: German Air Force retires its A340 prematurely next week

Long-form article from 'The Drive', covers other short-comings in DE military maintenance: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/germany-cans-its-a340-air-force-one-jets-after-two-failures-in-24-hours Poor journalism that eagerly gathers the low-hanging fruit that German candor about military readi...

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by Noray
Sat Aug 12, 2023 1:20 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Future Medium-size Tactical Cargo (FMTC) News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 200
Views: 43443

Re: Future Medium-size Tactical Cargo (FMTC) News and Discussion Thread

I watch wildfires every year and see helicopters dropping small amounts of water multiple times per hour and large fixed wing aircraft dropping large volumes of water once per hour if they are lucky. A large tilt rotor could drop at the frequency of a helcopter with water volumes of a larged fixed ...

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by Noray
Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:57 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Trip to Switzerland - Help/Advice Needed
Replies: 37
Views: 3601

Re: Trip to Switzerland - Help/Advice Needed

As a resident of a neighboring country to Switzerland who hasn't been there in many years, this is a mix of giving tips and seeking advice. Also, I'm not a pilot, an AAPilot may be impressed by different things than I am. You may have noticed that while the Jungfraujoch is a great destination, it ta...

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by Noray
Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:46 am
Forum: Helicopter Discussion Forum
Topic: Scheduled commercial helicopter flights
Replies: 18
Views: 4083

Re: Scheduled commercial helicopter flights

I remember seeing a thread about this before, but can't find it Searching the forum for "Penzance Helicopters" brings up some historical results: Helicopter On Short Routes? (22 years ago) Scheduled Helicopter Services? (16 years ago) First Helicopter-airline Sched Passenger Flights (12 y...

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by Noray
Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:13 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Help Requested Identifying Military Aircraft
Replies: 3
Views: 1242

Re: Help Requested Identifying Military Aircraft

Naval Base Coronado published a noise alert for the event : Operation Centennial Contact 100 Years in Air Refueling: June 27, 1923 - June 27, 2023 On 27 June, around 1:25 p.m., the US Air Force will commemorate 100 years of in air refueling during a historic fly over at Naval Air Station North Islan...

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by Noray
Wed Jul 12, 2023 5:39 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 374
Views: 113874

Re: German Heavy Lift Helicopter Replacement Program News and Discussion Thread

Revelation wrote:
They're getting the fully-loaded models with lots of add-ons.

Notably air-to-air refueling probes. Here's the complete list.

Some German MPs warn of the risk posed by the fact that the Block II Standard Range refuelable version that Germany is procuring hasn't been certified by the US Army.

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by Noray
Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:27 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 206
Views: 42567

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread

SteelChair wrote:
437 mph is very impressive imho.

It's fully in line with the speeds you see every day on flight trackers. And on this flight, there were no repeated takeoff and landing phases that would lower the average speed.

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by Noray
Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:24 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 206
Views: 42567

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread

Seen this article the other day and I'd like to know thoughts on it. The A400M has just undergone its longest flight so far with a flight of 20 hours and 36 minutes according to the below link. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/british-a400m-undertakes-types-longest-flight/ I didn't see the mileage l...

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by Noray
Thu May 25, 2023 3:25 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Future Medium-size Tactical Cargo (FMTC) News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 200
Views: 43443

Re: Future Medium-size Tactical Cargo (FMTC) News and Discussion Thread

A little reminder: This thread is about the "Future Medium Tactical Cargo aircraft" (FMTC), a European project. It's not about large tilt rotors, it's not about China and not about the USA. Europes FMTC program as a tactical transport will be shaped based on how cargo is delivered in Ukrai...

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by Noray
Tue May 09, 2023 10:25 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 206
Views: 42567

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread

Also interesting to see the first German a400m in the video equipped with a 5 tonne crane. To date I have never seen that thing being used, ever. Where do you see that crane? At 6:30 minutes into the video posted by Sonntag? A few seconds earlier you can also see the rail on the outside of the uppe...

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by Noray
Sat May 06, 2023 1:53 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 206
Views: 42567

Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread

In addition those in Jordan, there are other refueling missions, including training. The threat from Russia remains; German A400Ms have been active in the tanker role over Poland and Romania in this context. My take is that, with some pods permanently installed, the fleet is flexible to react to esc...

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by Noray
Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:09 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Air Defender 2023 - Maneuver in June 2023
Replies: 28
Views: 8007

Re: Air Defender 2023 - Maneuver in June 2023

https://twitter.com/Team_Luftwaffe/stat ... 0936292352
According to ADSBexchange, this aircraft landed at Joint Base Andrews near Washington D.C. a few hours ago.
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zanl188 wrote:

The Luftwaffe published a video that shows how this livery was applied, with a German flag on the other side: https://twitter.com/Team_Luftwaffe/stat ... 0936292352
According to ADSBexchange, this aircraft landed at Joint Base Andrews near Washington D.C. a few hours ago.

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by Noray
Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:03 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany to buy Airbus civil helicopter and convert for combat
Replies: 67
Views: 14053

Re: Germany to buy Airbus civil helicopter and convert for combat

Why does this remind me what was done with the BO-105? https://youtube.com/watch?v=2FLNKQjtIJ8 Alternatively just for fun: https://youtube.com/watch?v=unRKKRZMAVI Now the range of the Spike ER2 will be 4 x longer than that of the HOT used by the BO-105. And Airbus is working on Manned-Unmanned Team...

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by Noray
Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:29 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Germany to buy Airbus civil helicopter and convert for combat
Replies: 67
Views: 14053

Re: Germany to buy Airbus civil helicopter and convert for combat

There has been speculation for years about a major purchase of H145Ms for the Bundeswehr. Only a part of these are to be used in the "combat" role. Whether they will replace or supplement combat helicopters, or whether it will be a transitional solution, is unknown. What is also needed is ...

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by Noray
Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:21 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Russian jet collides with US drone
Replies: 119
Views: 15261

Re: Russian jet collides with US drone

Just another dashcam video from Russia.

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by Noray
Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:35 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

I follow a Scottish Youtube vlogger named Steve Marsh. He just did a train journey from Krakow, Poland to Vilnius, Lithuania. At one of his stops, there a trainload of Marders on flat cars a few tracks over What's interesing is that they still have German markings on them. Go to the 13-14 minute ma...

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by Noray
Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:22 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

I understand one must prepare for one's enemies potential, but Ruzzia has shown they couldn't train or feed their troops even early in the war when they still had well-organized training and logistics. At the beginning of the invasion many Russian soldiers didn't even know they were going to war. T...

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by Noray
Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

That article is from April. The rumours about Russian IL-76s shot down were from the first days of the invasion, but I don't think they have ever been confirmed. No wreckage has been presented. Indeed. I was looking for better sources that I had once read/watched, but this is the best I could find....

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by Noray
Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:55 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Transfer of MBT from US, UK, Germany etc to Ukraine
Replies: 67
Views: 6970

Re: Transfer of MBT from US, UK, Germany etc to Ukraine

Germany is blocking everything. [...], they might as well shut down their industry. Which would also make many Germans happy. I think the article about Germany worrying about US arms sales is valid. WIth that said, Germany is also part of the problem, ordering F-35s for example. And not pressuring ...

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by Noray
Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

And yet, the article I just linked pointed out that Ukraine's air defences were a key reason Russia could not take Kyiv: On the first morning of the war, Russian Mi-8 assault helicopters soared south toward Kyiv on a mission to attack Hostomel airfield on the northwest outskirts of the capital. By ...

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by Noray
Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:12 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Transfer of MBT from US, UK, Germany etc to Ukraine
Replies: 67
Views: 6970

Re: Transfer of MBT from US, UK, Germany etc to Ukraine

It has been suggested that the main reason why Poland is buying US and Korean tanks is Germany's inability to deliver the quantities of Leopard 2s Poland demands. Much of the industry that once built more than 2000 Leopard 2s during the Cold War has been dismantled. Hungary ordered 44 newly built Le...

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by Noray
Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:18 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

bikerthai wrote:
Noray wrote:
which is becoming apparent in public opinion not only in Germany.


If it is an issue, then it seems to be German problem.

You're kidding, are you?

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by Noray
Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

bikerthai wrote:
We have moved beyond the symbolic value of prograganda.

That's your personal take. Mine is that a propaganda battle is taking place, in which the Russians have long since penetrated far behind the western lines, which is becoming apparent in public opinion not only in Germany.

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by Noray
Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Kind of strange argument on a technicality. These German tanks were designed and specifically built to kill Russians. The resistance to giving tanks or approval of donating tanks because of bad optics rests on emotions rather than reality which is pretty flimsy. German built artillery are killing R...

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by Noray
Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:34 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Pele has passed away
Replies: 10
Views: 1420

Re: Pele has passed away

The level of play is the highest in South America, Europe is awful. Italy won the Euro Cup and couldn’t even qualify for the WC. You know that Italy was eliminated because they lost to another European team? There was no playoff between Europe and South America in the WC qualification. It still doe...

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by Noray
Sun Jan 01, 2023 6:18 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Pele has passed away
Replies: 10
Views: 1420

Re: Pele has passed away

NIKV69 wrote:
The level of play is the highest in South America, Europe is awful. Italy won the Euro Cup and couldn’t even qualify for the WC.

You know that Italy was eliminated because they lost to another European team? There was no playoff between Europe and South America in the WC qualification.

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by Noray
Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:10 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Three ex-German Luftwaffe C160's will live on as firefighting aircraft
Replies: 15
Views: 4624

Re: Three ex-Luftwaffe will live on as firefighting aircraft

Interesting. Has the Transall ever been used for firefighting before? Yes, the Luftwaffe had two 12,000 litre firefighting kits for the Transall. These were developed by MBB after the 1975 forest fires . They were used operationally a few times, starting in the 1980s, but not too often. It's not kn...

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by Noray
Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:47 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

If the blast came from bellow, then the rails on the opposite side of the road (the direction from which the blast came) would be bent in the same direction. That portion was even less damage. Which is curious because wasn't the truck closer to the seaward lane? bt Due to the slanted position of th...

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by Noray
Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:56 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

My contribution to the bridge explosion debate, I have enjoyed his channel so far on his historical videos on navy vessels, skip to 3:05 or so for his bridge analysis. As with all other internet analysis, add to the debate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tQ1jYbhxNc&ab_channel=SubBrief Just an...

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by Noray
Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:56 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Actually, the explosion happened in the ascending part of the bridge, so there's nothing wrong with that: https://twitter.com/HKaaman/status/1580202355303145476 Yes, it looks much closer than it had in other photos, so the location may be close enough, even if the damage doesn't look symmetrical to...

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by Noray
Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:28 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

Isn't Airliners.net a photography forum? So, are people aware of how camera sensors work? In this case, CMOS sensors and their "rolling shutter" (Wikipedia) . Essentially, that means that a single frame from some video cameras doesn't represent a single moment, but a sequence of events, s...

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by Noray
Wed Oct 12, 2022 6:59 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread
Replies: 18096
Views: 1507481

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - *Discussion* Thread

"Exactly! The explosion clearly happens well after two vehicles have gone past, but before the next one arrives, the area. Quoting a quote, so bear with me. There was a discussion on twitter chat on the posibility of camera frame scanning rate causing the truck to appear a split second after t...

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by Noray
Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:00 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF RC-135V Rivet Joint Over Cuba
Replies: 4
Views: 2304

Re: USAF RC-135V Rivet Joint Over Cuba

ADS-B Exchange shows a dashed line for that part of the flight, which means that they don't actually have coverage. The line simply connects two points with coverage. Radarbox.com shows a flight path over the sea between Cuba and the Yucatán Peninsula.

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by Noray
Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:45 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Future Medium-size Tactical Cargo (FMTC) News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 200
Views: 43443

Re: Future Medium-size Tactical Cargo (FMTC) News and Discussion Thread

France, Germany, Sweden launch future transport aircraft -- Janes France, Germany, and Sweden have agreed development of a new fixed-wing medium-lift transport aircraft, it was announced on 30 June. The French Ministère des Armées reported the agreement, saying that the three countries launched the...

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by Noray
Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:14 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Embraer KC-390 News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 378
Views: 143779

Re: Embraer KC-390 News and Discussion Thread

And now Europe is going on a tender for a medium-sized airlifter, which seems to emulate the C-130/KC-390 specs. Leading nations are France, Germany and... Sweden (which partners with Embraer on the Grippen NG fighter jet for the Brazilian Air Force, but as not chosen the KC-390 to replace its C-13...

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by Noray
Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:17 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A German A400 doing touch and goes at SAN today??
Replies: 27
Views: 4269

Re: A German A400 doing touch and goes at SAN today??

Could it be a training exercise to work out the logistics of traveling around the world? And Hawaii is a hell of a destination for an excessive. bt That's possible. Germany will send 6 Eurofighters, 4 A400M and 3 A330MMU to the Pitch Black exercise in Australia this year, and the journey there is s...

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by Noray
Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:09 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A German A400 doing touch and goes at SAN today??
Replies: 27
Views: 4269

Re: A German A400 doing touch and goes at SAN today??

Adsbexchange history shows that it came from Hickam AFB/Honolulu and had also flown via San Diego on the outbound flight. Went around once at SAN, so not exactly touch and goes. Are there any German naval vessels in Hawaii now to be resupplied? Yeah, as soon as I posted, I realized it was a go-arou...

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by Noray
Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:44 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A German A400 doing touch and goes at SAN today??
Replies: 27
Views: 4269

Re: A German A400 doing touch and goes at SAN today??

Adsbexchange history shows that it came from Hickam AFB/Honolulu and had also flown via San Diego on the outbound flight. Went around once at SAN, so not exactly touch and goes.

Are there any German naval vessels in Hawaii now to be resupplied?

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by Noray
Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:35 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 347
Views: 66464

Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

From what I hear the German government have approved the budget with the 7 P-8s. I just can not find a newer article. We may have to wait a few more hours or the next day. Edit: Still not 100% confirmation, but all clues leads to the P-8A. https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/06/03/budget...

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by Noray
Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:09 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 347
Views: 66464

Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Whether they need 12 or not . . . the quantity is confirmed and wait for government approval. https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/06/germany-purchases-seven-additional-boeing-p-8a-poseidon-and-buries-maws-project/ Sounds to me the MAWS project is cooked. Canada will be forced to go by way of the P-8A...

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by Noray
Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:05 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 347
Views: 66464

Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

But if it is meant to be kept alive, it needs a budget as well, and money from the €100 bn special fund would come in handy. Only if France put money in the pot as well. At first they said the 5 P-8A Germany bought was an interim solution. I could see a scenario where Germany would transfer them to...

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by Noray
Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:33 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 347
Views: 66464

Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

bikerthai wrote:
Noray wrote:
That's not official, and there still is the French-German MAWS project.


The MAWS project is still a few years out.

But if it is meant to be kept alive, it needs a budget as well, and money from the €100 bn special fund would come in handy.

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by Noray
Sun Jun 05, 2022 11:21 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 347
Views: 66464

Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Germany has funded 7 more P-8 Poseidons, bringing total procurement to 12. This probably will pretty much replace the P-3Cs. https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2022/06/03/budget-boost-in-hand-germany-puts-more-sub-hunting-planes-on-its-shopping-list/ I struggle to see why Germany needs 12 P8...

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