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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Well the only ones that would have conclusively known yesterday whether or not this tragedy was the result of a missile attack are the very same people that are denying access to the black boxes. Go Figure!!

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

One thing is becoming obvious to me. Design flaws aside - there needs to be more consistent and stringent global pilot training and experience requirements. A good pilot can make all the difference in a malfunctioning aircraft. The global shortage of pilots will lead to more younger and less experie...

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Re: Dr. Peters begins scrapping of two ex-SIA A380s

London Heathrow Airport authority have asked airlines who fly there to consider using larger types to ease the capacity problem at the airport. The 2nd hand A380 market I believe won't be a dead duck in water as airports can't cope now with the worlds capacity problems! It might start off slow but ...

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Re: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation ?

Deffered COST is not LOSS. I wonder why such complete nonsens is repeated here again and again. What is the next step. Sum up all production cost as loss, forget any revenue? Ups sorry this the idea of this stupid thread! Deferred production cost is the production cost exceeding revenue Sorry but t...

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Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

They will make Boeing's day when they will officially announce the end of the production line. Perhaps for bragging rights, yes. But deep down, I think Boeing would have been happy with Airbus being preoccupied with such a money pit that has been a drag on its resources. One has to wonder what they...

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Re: 747-8 Currently Cash Positive?

Snowballs chance of making money at 6/year production. Then there are the write offs and the utter failure of pax version. The 747 has been a financial disaster for Boeing. I think Strato is confusing the 747-8 with another 4 engine aircraft. "The development costs for the Boeing 747-8I were $...

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Re: 747-8 Currently Cash Positive?

Snowballs chance of making money at 6/year production. Then there are the write offs and the utter failure of pax version. The 747 has been a financial disaster for Boeing. I think Strato is confusing the 747-8 with another 4 engine aircraft. "The development costs for the Boeing 747-8I were $...

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Re: QF officially cancels final 8 A380s.

Think it's time for that other "FIRM" A380 order to be wiped from the books?

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Re: Boeing 787 deferred production cost watch

One thing that needs to be mentioned, the deferred cost number has a profit component factored in. It is not all just raw costs.

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2018 Orders

Here is a calculation I've wanted to make for a while. It seems the best way to measure market share is by passenger (seat) capacity. This is all published data and takes into account aircraft size (more or less) without the vagaries of list price. This model below is quick and dirty as I didn't ha...

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Re: Ten A380 Orders Removed From Backlog

juliuswong wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
I guess once EK firms up their 20 A380 this year, they will take Amedeo (3) and Air Accord order (20).

Sorry I mean once EK order is firmed up, they would remove Air Accord and Amedeo order perhaps.

The EK order was booked on 2/11/18

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2018 Orders

So in 2018: Airbus 747 Net Orders 800 Deliveries 7577 Order Backlog Boeing: 893 Net Orders 806 Deliveries 5873 Order Backlog 2018 translated into estimated value using list prices: Orders: Boeing 139 Billion Airbus 78 Billion Deliveries: Boeing 130 Billion Airbus 78 Billion Backlogs - Airbus delive...

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Re: Saudi flyadeal commits for up to 50 737MAX-8s

bond787 wrote:
Maybe they can take some of the Max slots if Lion Air follows through on cancelling their large order.

All bluster IMHO. Lion Air may defer, but not major cancellations

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Re: China Aims to Double Its Number of Airports to 450 by 2035, with Twelve 100M Airports under Planning

China needs extra airports to divert flights to when some airfields are fogged in by the pollution.

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2018 Orders

And here's the November update from Airbus. https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/orders-deliveries.html AIRBUS DEFENCE AND SPACE, S.A.U - 3x A330-200 SAUDIGULF AIRLINES - 10x A320neo EASYJET - 17x A320neo VISTARA - 13x A320neo Cancelations: -3x A319ceo Avolon will be in the December total. Thanks...

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2018 Orders

Turkish Airlines orders (3) 777 freighters for delivery over the next two years.

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Re: Air France will half it's A380 fleet

Once airports really get congested, then the airlines will know the power and efficiency of the A380. It's just that no airport is even remotely close to that level yet. Oh, and as air travel becomes more affordable, that's when the A380 will start to make more sense too. I think the A380 came a li...

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Re: Airbus revises 2018 delivery target

SQ22 wrote:
Is there any need of having the onging B vs. A discussions? If you can't stop eith it thread will be locked.

If you don't like a discussion ignore it. What's the big deal?

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Re: Boeing 2018 deliveries forecast, 800?

The for now EU created Airbus to make planes, hire workers, and establish a world class aviation industry. It succeeded. In the US while corporations were originally given all their special privileges in return for profiting investors AND benefiting society. Corporations have been able to largely s...

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Re: Boeing 2018 deliveries forecast, 800?

https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/11/ ... irbus.aspx

The article above strongly suggests low pricing during the Leahy years as part of the reason for the huge profit/cash flow differences between A & B

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Re: Boeing 2018 deliveries forecast, 800?

A. boys don't like talking about cash flow, because that is where Boeing really shines over Airbus. You are correct that cash flow is king, especially is Aerospace where R & D ability is important. Boeing delivers more aircraft annually, and the average Boeing delivery has more value because Boe...

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2018 Orders

So you don’t think Airbus can rack up 600 orders in two months? Where is your faith? The "rainmaker" is gone. Yes the one that magically sells 450 planes in an order placed at 11:59 on New Years Eve. Every year he seemed to have a 'hail Mary" that was the winning score. As usual Boei...

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Re: Airbus resorts to trickery on delivery goal

In 2014 John Leahy and other Airbus honchos held a press conference to announce a recently signed order with Amedeo,a leasing company. Leahy proudly announced " This FIRM order from Amedeo is a clear recognition of the A380's long-term market appeal" We later learned this was more of a re-...

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Re: Airbus resorts to trickery on delivery goal

Airbus resorts to trickery on delivery goal As I read the Flight Global article, I was wondering how long it would take for A.net to come out and put a negative headline spin to that. I just knew if would not be disappointed. It was not question of if, just a question of when, and by whom . . . Hap...

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Re: Airbus resorts to trickery on delivery goal

Did Boeing do this when they acquired MD? I wasn't aware Airbus had "acquired" Bombardier? In late 2017 Airbus announced to the world it would deliver 800 frames this year. Through out the year as problems arose they maintained this was still doable. Along comes October O&D reports an...

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Re: Airbus resorts to trickery on delivery goal

How dare they include Airbus A220 in their production list! Blasphemy I tell you! They are including C Series jets BBD produced and sold. That is not the point of the delivery number which is used to give investors guidance on expected revenue. Including aircraft they have no right to list is borde...

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Re: Airbus resorts to trickery on delivery goal

The author of the article saw this for what it is, a "jiggering" of the numbers.

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Re: Airbus resorts to trickery on delivery goal

Doesn't seem to be an issue to me, Airbus aren't hiding the fact that they're having problems with production. From your article: Airbus concedes that, even with this switch, the delivery target is becoming a “greater stretch”. The A330neo engine supply issue, it says, adds further pressure to its ...

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Airbus revises 2018 delivery target

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... yptr=yahoo

Airbus is counting A220 planes it did not sell or build in it's delivery total. Not good leadership.

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Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

They have been in business 14 years and had 14 crashes. That's the accident rate. How many other carriers average 1 crasht per year of operations? Lion Air's been in business for 18 years - they commenced operations in 2000. Plus they didn't have 14 crashes - they had 5. The rest are incidents whic...

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Re: Lion Air 737MAX8 Crashed Jakarta to Pangal Pinang

14 major incidents in about as many years. And they don't fly that many planes!!!

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Re: Boeing Q3 2018

In theory AB could counter BA but in reality AB has not had the cash flow to counter BA for 3-4 years. One of the reasons why Airbus is behind in cash is the maturity of its programs, and if you take a look of their high inventory you will see how that's eating its cash. A350 will only start genera...

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Re: Boeing Q3 2018

On the surface A & B look petty equal. Both produce excellent,safe, appealing products. But any differences in sales and deliveries do not explain the difference with the results. The first priority of the incoming boss at Airbus should be to look at why Boeing has more cash than it knows what ...

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Re: Boeing Q3 2018

On the surface A & B look petty equal. Both produce excellent,safe, appealing products. But any differences in sales and deliveries do not explain the difference with the results. The first priority of the incoming boss at Airbus should be to look at why Boeing has more cash than it knows what t...

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Re: Boeing Q3 2018

Looking at it further I would say Boeing is now in the ballpark of takinging the block to zero within the current accounting block. I suspect it goes to zero in 2022-23 provided they can sustain delivery rates through that period. We should start seeing billion plus dollar reductions each quarter i...

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Re: Airbus faces new jet delays at Hamburg plant - sources

I couldn't help but notice Airbus is counting (8) aircraft built by Bombardier in their totals. Anything to make the numbers look better than they really are, I guess :banghead: I'm surprised that you are surprised (my presumption), given their continuing-to-be-in-the-books phantom A380 orders, the...

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Re: Airbus faces new jet delays at Hamburg plant - sources

I couldn't help but notice Airbus is counting (8) aircraft built by Bombardier in their totals. Anything to make the numbers look better than they really are, I guess

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2018 Orders

Nomadd wrote:
Never thought I'd see a year where the 767 outsold the 777.

767 also out sold the A330 and A350. Boeing is killing it in the Wide Body sector.

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Re: Will we ever see an Airbus 380 stretch ?

It has been six years since any airline other than EK ordered an A380. Why would you ever spend more money to stretch it?

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2018 Orders

I'm of a mind that the A220's should not be used when comparing numbers between Boeing and Airbus. At present we are roughly comparing like with like both manufacturers make similar aircraft but the A220 will skew these figures and make a nonsense of the comparison as Boeing does not make such an a...

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Re: Airbus And Boeing 2018 Orders

I'm of a mind that the A220's should not be used when comparing numbers between Boeing and Airbus. At present we are roughly comparing like with like both manufacturers make similar aircraft but the A220 will skew these figures and make a nonsense of the comparison as Boeing does not make such an a...

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Re: Should Airbus focus on A220 product increase instead of A320 mid-term?

In the end of the day, the more A220 Airbus sells, the more the programme will be worth when they buy BBD and Quebec Government's share, I think Airbus will wait until it becomes a 100% Airbus product before doing any of that. I agree. If Airbus see the product is appreciated, they'll push it. They...

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Re: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future

For 12 years here on a.net my issue with the 380 was always the economics of its size (and the chaos that was the engineering on the program). I was ridiculed, moderated to hell and back, etc My sympathy... I can't imagine how frustrating A380 discussions here were before we had actual market failu...

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Re: Why is Boeing still offering new Boeing 767s and why? Who is buying them?

There are currently more orders now than the backlog when the 767 entered service in the 80s, counting the order that FedEx just placed. Also, there are only 38 frames on the order books for the tanker program. The contract calls for I believe, 179. I guess they will add some every year. The USAF e...

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Re: Why is Boeing still offering new Boeing 767s and why? Who is buying them?

The last passenger model was purchased by LATAM Airlines in 2011. Since then all new orders are either for freighters or the K46 tanker program. At the planned production rate of 30 per year the 767 line will be around for at least another 15 years. Actually it was Air Astana that took the last del...

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Re: Why is Boeing still offering new Boeing 767s and why? Who is buying them?

The last passenger model was purchased by LATAM Airlines in 2011. Since then all new orders are either for freighters or the K46 tanker program. At the planned production rate of 30 per year the 767 line will be around for at least another 15 years.

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Re: Airbus shares hit record after core profit tops forecasts

You really don't expect much from management do you? As opposed to, what exactly? I came to ignore any post made by SC430. No matter what other OEMs do isn't enough to please him, even if we present to him/her some hard facts. #1 Boeing fangirl yo! Sorry for this useless post......Friday ranting ov...

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Re: Airbus shares hit record after core profit tops forecasts

Let's see, A380 is still an anchor, A330 production has been lowered, A330 and A350 sales have stalled, no meaningful competitive freighter, despite claims of becoming the top producer by 2018 that's not happening..... sure things are just ducky at Airbus !! Two years ago AIrbus was a much more opt...

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Re: Airbus shares hit record after core profit tops forecasts

The second quarter was up partly due to costs being absorbed in the previous quarter. Quarter to quarter fluctuations are meaningless. Your make excuses and give no solutions. The poster claimed Enders can leave with things looking up, I take exception to that. show me where I was wrong? Does a cla...

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Re: Airbus shares hit record after core profit tops forecasts

From the OP's 1st link: For the first time, Airbus said it had delivered more of the A320neo jets carrying new engines in the second quarter than the previous A320 version. But it said risks remained to its “challenging” delivery forecast of 800 in total this year. Finally! This has been a challeng...

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