In light of the new 787 news, it got me wondering about G-TUIP, a 787-9 frame originally destined for TUI. The frame is showing as being photographed in full livery back in October 2021, yet still in storage and having not been delivered. Does anyone know what the issue is with this frame - have TUI...
Jump to postLong haul is a whole different kettle of fish, though, Long-haul isn't new to them. They have flown to New York, and IIRC, Boston and Toronto. Only as seasonal specials rather than typical 'summer' destinations though in the Caribbean or to Orlando for Disney which makes up the bulk of TUI's LH fly...
Jump to postNope no xlr in the order just standard neo. I'm quite impressed they havnt gone max capacity on them either. I would say their holiday brand is very strong in the UK. I'm sure they could compete on long haul holidays to rival tui if they wished . Prob not the best economic timing though to risk suc...
Jump to posthttps://siteapps.caa.co.uk/g-info/ shows the new owner of ERJ175 G-FBJE as FLYBE LEASING CAYMAN 1 LTD https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-fbje Shows it as now at Lisbon. Does anyone know if this company is owned/controlled by Flybe. If so, how does this fit in with the bankruptcy process?...
Jump to postTo achieve higher yields, airlines like BA, LH, KL, AF, DL, AA, UA will have to cut frequency and capacity. The money they have in the bank is not to fly empty planes but to keep empty planes parked. I don't really understand what you are arguing about. You don’t really seem to understand that the ...
Jump to postWhen the revenue is 5% of what it used to be and your fixed costs continue to be largely the same because you have hundreds and hundreds of expensive jets to pay for while they are on the ground for 1 to 3 years, how long do you think their reserves are going to last for? For the record, I never cl...
Jump to postHerein lies the greatest misconception folks here have about VS and airlines in general. The largest weak spot of any airline is its huge fixed costs which in times of difficulty are hard to maintain as the fixed costs are there but the revenue isn't. Now you tell me between BA and VS which one has...
Jump to postHerein lies the greatest misconception folks here have about VS and airlines in general. The largest weak spot of any airline is its huge fixed costs which in times of difficulty are hard to maintain as the fixed costs are there but the revenue isn't. Now you tell me between BA and VS which one has...
Jump to postIs it just me that finds this (if true) utterly insane. While IAG is being bailed out on the Spanish side by the Spanish government, and BA is propping up the group with Union-busting contracts and 12,000 redundancies, IAG are considering expanding the group by BUYING an entire airline? I understan...
Jump to postIs it just me that finds this (if true) utterly insane. While IAG is being bailed out on the Spanish side by the Spanish government, and BA is propping up the group with Union-busting contracts and 12,000 redundancies, IAG are considering expanding the group by BUYING an entire airline? I understand...
Jump to postMany airlines seem incapable of learning the Southwest fleet simplicity lesson. I cannot see how Virgin Atlantic survives this crisis. I don't think reliance on one fleet type will on the top of Virign's wish list after their issues with their 787s, or after the MAX situation which I'd hasten to ad...
Jump to postThe press release phrase 'From today, Virgin Atlantic will no longer use 'all' of its seven 747-400s,' is not very clear It could mean that they will use 'some' of them I agree, but it's an easy thing for them to say because no one else is going to want them and the leases aren't finished on the fr...
Jump to postWhat is the possible future for a KLM-Air France deal with Virgin Atlantic? KLM is still one of my top picks for UK regional airlines (e.g. Flybe-style). since flights over the North Sea and Norwegian Sea to isolated areas in Scandinavia and the islands of the Atlantic Ocean are still very much nee...
Jump to postLet's not forget that this must be an awful time for the Virgin Atlantic & Virgin Holiday's staff, especially as Virgin Atlantic were on a route to modest profitability after years of mismanagement (European Holiday Routes, Expensive Leases, Vanity PR Projects, Little Red and ofc more recently b...
Jump to postHe did, and my guess is that he won't let VS collapse. Virgin founder Richard Branson giving $250 million to help employees https://www.wesh.com/article/virgin-founder-richard-branson-giving-dollar250-million-to-help-employees/31905226 Actually he did not. He put $250 million into the Virgin Group....
Jump to postand walking away from a new Virgin Trains operator contract because of his unwillingness to underpin the staff pensions scheme associated with the West Coast line franchise renewal. I'm by no means the biggest Branson fan, but this disingenuous. They said it was not financially viable to bid for a ...
Jump to postThis opinion is popular but a little grating. While SRB had a before crash net worth of £4bn, it is certainly significantly less now. It’s also mostly tied up in assets, it’s not like he has a literal pile of money on which he sleeps on Necker island as you imply. SRB doesn’t have anything like the...
Jump to postIs corporate traffic still relevant for VS? if it even was at any point in time? Why keep fighting at LHR and not concentrate on MAN or secondary UK airport, which BA completely abandoned? Yes - on a weekday, term time particularly their UC cabin is dominated by it. Virgin have been putting an incr...
Jump to postand walking away from a new Virgin Trains operator contract because of his unwillingness to underpin the staff pensions scheme associated with the West Coast line franchise renewal. I'm by no means the biggest Branson fan, but this disingenuous. They said it was not financially viable to bid for a ...
Jump to postThey were actually expecting a profit in 2020 if it wasn’t for the corona virus with a lot of measures implemented over the last 1,5 years. So the model isn’t “failing”. It has nothing to do with Norwegians business model that the Trent 1000 engines have been causing ongoing troubles. Neither is it...
Jump to postWell now we know why Virgin wasn't over keen to slap on its branding just yet. I think it will be pretty disgraceful if the inevitable scooping up of assets by Virgin, Stobart, Cyrus or whoever else happens at rock bottom prices, but equally I don't agree that the Connect consortium should just pump...
Jump to postI was hoping to be able to fly to TFS on a new A321 on 18th July but it looks like it will be a 737-800 from a seating plan, 33 rows but the wing root starts at row 9-10. I am totally confused - how many seats does have the A321 for Jet2?! And is Jet2 sub-leasing any other A321 this summer?! I was ...
Jump to postThe first photos of the first full-liveried A321 are now out and I have to say it looks pretty good! I bet Jet2 are pleased they held off on a MAX order at this point. It will be interesting to see if they like the performance of their first in-house (aka non ACMI lease) Airbus narrowbody and if the...
Jump to postI'm seeing a split-China order being likely, with United and Delta also likely contenders. United needs to replace its 767s somehow, and in some cases the 787 is just too much metal. AA have clearly signaled a commitment to the 787 in terms of 767 replacement already. Time was ticking on the MOM 2 y...
Jump to postFor arguments sake, could it not be on a less obvious underdog, like Jet2 or Wizz I'd love it to be the case, but in short no. While Jet2 have grown rapidly in recent years, they have been pretty conservative in terms of aircraft acquisition. Aside from a slow and steady stream of new 737-800s whic...
Jump to postpugman211 wrote:First one is the certification example
2nd is the first in service.
3rd is halfway or more through assembly phase last time I saw it.
priority will still likely be LHR/LGW for VS, with MAN providing an opportunity to extract value from another market’s O&D and some hub connectivity opportunities. Manchester isn't just an add-on opportunity for Virgin, it's just as much (if not more) of a focus as Gatwick. VS has cut a number ...
Jump to postLooked at ba finances vs that of vs. ba has plenty of resources to wack the yields of a competitor to stop them from gaining traction. It did the same against dy. Why not against vs getting out of line. VS looks to be getting closer to profitability (though the next set of financial results will gi...
Jump to postI think they need to raise the output to burn through the order book until A350 NEO and then A330 really has no viable future. The A350neo is some way off yet - while it has certainly been rumoured, the engine technology simply isn't here yet. And even when it is, you've got at least of 5 (public) ...
Jump to postVS these days are a shadow of its former self, with routes being lost left right and centre (especially Caribbean and east asia). Sadly if it had stayed as it's 'Former Self' it would have hemorrhaged so much cash it likely wouldn't exist today. Allow me to be pedantic for a second here, also. Virg...
Jump to postAn easy solution I see here would be to fly out of Heathrow if possible exclusively with British Airways - a controversial statement, I know! The reason behind this is as follows: - BA don't fly European short haul out of Manchester - BA have a fleet of narrowbody planes that are based almost exclus...
Jump to postI bet BA are regretting not ordering more A380s now... and for the avoidance of doubt I'm fully serious here. The A380 has been a failure for many airlines who operate it, but the only way for BA to significantly increase capacity long haul in the 2020s is with bigger planes. Admittedly this can be ...
Jump to postAvión Express, I don’t really know much about them. They're a Lithuanian charter airline, do a lot of work for Jet2, TUI and historically Thomas Cook in the Summer peak seasons over here in Europe. Aircraft tend to be 2nd hand planes from large carriers, and many are fitted out with slimline seats ...
Jump to postWho is operating the A320 for them??? Avión Express, I don’t really know much about them. They're a Lithuanian charter airline, do a lot of work for Jet2, TUI and historically Thomas Cook in the Summer peak seasons over here in Europe. Aircraft tend to be 2nd hand planes from large carriers, and ma...
Jump to postI had heard April for the branding reveal (in terms of uniform, colour scheme, new website etc) and then go live in Sept 2020 for 'first flight'. But obviously that's not official so could change. Oh really? I thought it would be much sooner than that. I thought (hoped!) the reveal would come in Ja...
Jump to post^^^ Interesting. Have two trips to Hong Kong coming up for tourism/fun. Haven’t had a single concern or thought once about not going. It’s interesting what scares people these days - or, perhaps, let’s them justify their own fears. Love the city and the food, can’t wait to go back. I'm travelling t...
Jump to postIndeed but the point I was making was that there is no longer the distinction that only VS can fly a route and that there could well be a mix. In time, I could foresee a situation where DL serve BOS/ATL/DTW/SEA and VS serve the non-main hubs of MCO/LAS/SFO/LAX and JFK (JFK obviously a main hub but ...
Jump to post8herveg wrote:TurnaroudUK wrote:I hear Delta are looking at Seattle
Where did you hear that from? I would have thought VS would operate it rather than DL. DL don’t even operate to LHR from SEA.
TheOldDude wrote:How much will Easyjet's actions change global temperatures going forward?
+ How much is tax deductible ? In the UK works out at whatever corporation tax is, so like 19%. But even then, why does this matter, every business expense is taxable - Airbus or Boeing hosting clients in 5 star hotels or dining clients in Michelin star restaurants is tax deductible, but you're not...
Jump to postThe answer lies here possibly: https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/uk-china-airlines-virgin-atlantic-to-join-af-klmchina-eastern-jv-501750 Virgin Atlantic joins AF/KL/China Eastern Joint Venture!! The Virgin jigsaw is starting to look more complete by the minute - fair play to VS & p...
Jump to postI know which murmurings you are referring too, and these stem from a poster saying that Virgin was asking internally for pilots to volunteer to stay longer on the A340 fleet. Within just days of this, though, Virgin has withdrawn a further A340, taking their fleet down to just 3 frames. While I agre...
Jump to postThe A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now. It’s not quite dead yet! Do you have a source for this? The last flight I can see penciled in is the 29th of December Internal memo asking for volunteer crews to stay rated on it rather than take A350 courses as it’s ‘likely’ to oper...
Jump to postDoes anyone have an update on MSN 71, the A350 test frame ear marked for Virgin Atlantic? Is this still heading their way, and if so how far into the rework is it/what tasks need performing prior to it being a VS frame?
Jump to postKato79 wrote:The A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now.
It’s not quite dead yet!
Withdrawn Virgin Atlantic A340-600 G-VWEB, which has been under decomissioning at London Gatwick since 22nd October, positioned London Gatwick – Lourdes Tarbes for storage this morning as VS834P. Only 13yrs :confused: There's now 4 frames left, of which only 2 are seemingly operating full schedules...
Jump to postIt’s probably up for its second D-Check and with carrriers’ general aversion of 4-engined birds nowadays VS must have decided that it’s not worth investing in heavy maintenance on it. All were scheduled to be retired by this month, but this has been pushed back to the year end, with all gone from t...
Jump to postSide note, ever since VS has been part owned by DL they've been doing a large number of US sport charters. http://thevssource.com/ is a great resource for seeing the many Virgin have been doing as of late!
Jump to postThe 757s are on their way out too since they are moving to an all Airbus fleet. Perhaps Jet2 will take them since they are expanding and used 738's are getting scare due to the MAX grounding ? From what I've read, they picked it for it's strong premium seats and config for long haul missions. The l...
Jump to postCorrect me if I'm wrong but an MoU is basically: "We will buy 150 aircraft from you and the agreed prices for each subframe type are: A319: XXX A320: YYY A321: ZZZ We have options for a further AAA aircraft, if we take those options they will be priced at the agreed rates above" Which mea...
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