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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

So with BA starting LHR-CHS that opens up a whole bunch of new possibilities at what Detroit might attract. If a market that is that far out of the box can be added anything becomes possible. That's not an apples to apples comparison. It's not even apples to oranges. This is like comparing apples t...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

So with BA starting LHR-CHS that opens up a whole bunch of new possibilities at what Detroit might attract. If a market that is that far out of the box can be added anything becomes possible. That's not an apples to apples comparison. It's not even apples to oranges. This is like comparing apples t...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

I think MAN would start as a summer seasonal and go from there; I also think it's more of a Delta 757/767 route. DTW would benefit from being a marginally shorter stage length than ORD, and could capture a nice slice of that traffic year round-the other connection point options (JFK, EWR, PHL) are ...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

Steering this back to DTW-MAN. The article mentioned in passing in the top post of this page suggested around the mid 50s PDEW, Of more recent interest is that at the last World Routes conference, there was a publication by Anna Aero showing the largest number of long-haul searches out of DTW on un...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

Remember a few years ago there was an article that was written about DL starting 5x weekly MAN flights on a 76W. DL just added HNL 5x weekly on the 76W. Yes but MAN would have been better for Detroit as it would have give us more global exposure and an international flight always generates more rev...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:16 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: US Pre-clearance in LHR?
Replies: 44
Views: 6900

Re: US Pre-clearance in LHR?

It's logistically impossible in Heathrow, at least until they complete the toast rack in 2396. Likewise for Gatwick.
Maybe Boris Island could've been built with preclearance, maybe.

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rethinking LGA Airport
Replies: 72
Views: 7213

Re: Rethinking LGA Airport

Yeah, no. This is not going to happen in a million years. None of New York's airports are going to see significant expansion, nor will they be closed. The politics don't lend themselves to either. If you expand or close EWR, New Jersey will scream. If you expand LGA, everyone around it and in its fl...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

]Not in the case of a LCC load factor paints a pretty good picture how well a flight is doing where as with a legacy where there are so many fares I would agree because you have to have the up front seat filled more so, so you argument for a carrier like NK and WW holds very little water being the ...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

Who here likes surprises? ;) Is something big about to be announced? DL? NK? EK? Also is DTW that reliable in the winter? Was considering DL IND-DTW-DEN versus WN IND-DEN for January but stopping adds a concern. Yeah, DTW is reliable. Miles above the likes of the Chicago and New York airports. That...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

Would be nice though if they decide to go this way for them to chose DTW as they have brand recognition here plus the playing field is pretty much open there is only WOW and for them everything is over KEF NK could go nonstop. Given the fleet considerations and apparent lack of interest from NK to ...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

I'm not sure I necessarily agree, there are actually some pretty cheap fares to Europe on LH via FRA almost price-matching WW. Not to mention, AC DTW-YYZ-Europe flights are also almost competitive with WW prices, not to mention flying out of YQB. Well I disagree too I paid well north of $1000 to fl...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta’s 747-400 Fleet
Replies: 14
Views: 2775

Re: Delta’s 747-400 Fleet

Boof02671 wrote:
Um no they were all Northwest planes.

They were Northwest's planes once. Then, in the merger, they became Delta planes.
Northwest has been absorbed by Delta. It is no more. Deal with it.

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: No A380 for KLM?
Replies: 37
Views: 7006

Re: No A380 for KLM?

Yeah, no. KLM does not need the A380. AMS could sustain it for very few destinations, which would call for a very small fleet of them. Even though some maintenance and handling can be coordinated with AF, maintaining a differently-painted, differently-configured subfleet of KL A380s wouldn't pay off...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why BA is expanding more flights/routes to US than Asia?
Replies: 49
Views: 7051

Re: Why BA is expanding more flights/routes to US than Asia?

The answer is compound: 1) LHR is geographically well-positioned for transatlantic connecting flows, but horrid for connecting Asia to anything 2) BA has a strong, enduring partnership with AA in the US, that helps it reach customers in a way that its Asian partners don't really 3) The Chinese carri...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

NK also does not own D8 it is a common use gate while D17 is for B6. I can’t wait for the expansion, every gate is full every night. Too bad during the day they can't get more traffic moving through there. I've been there a couple of times during the day and it's virtually empty That would indicate...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:43 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Ohio lost hubs
Replies: 23
Views: 1479

Re: Ohio lost hubs

klm617 wrote:
Tennessee


Northwest at Memphis
American at Nashville

FTFY.
By the time MEM became a Delta hub, AA had long since reduced BNA to a spoke.

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:44 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Busiest secondary within metro airports in the U.S
Replies: 19
Views: 1459

Re: Busiest secondary within metro airports in the U.S

I don't have the facts, but I reckon DCA/BWI/IAD could make a showing.

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SJJ KEF or TATL possibility?
Replies: 6
Views: 1138

Re: SJJ KEF or TATL possibility?

There are a number of one-stop possibilities at Sarajevo, like Lufthansa through Munich or Austrian through Vienna. Seasonally there's Swiss through Zurich or SAS through Copenhagen. If you're willing to make a detour there's even Turkish Airlines though Istanbul. For low-cost there's Norwegian thr...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is ATL really within a 2hr flight of 80% of the US population?
Replies: 66
Views: 11882

Re: Is ATL really within a 2hr flight of 80% of the US population?

I think STL would do far better if 2hr flight/1000 mile radius is used. Many airports would. Including (gasp) the hub DL hates in DTW. DL hates DTW? Why? They have a world-class airport terminal there...shouldn't they like DTW? It's a running a.net joke, because there are certain members who, with ...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Italian Government lobbying for direct QF PER-FCO
Replies: 35
Views: 5437

Re: Italian Government lobbying for direct QF PER-FCO

Hahahaha! More proof that the Italian government doesn't understand the airline industry. Maybe this will happen in 20 years. MAYBE.

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?
Replies: 36
Views: 12284

Re: Any pics of El Al retro 70th Anniversary 787-9?

Dull? Just look at that tail fin. Bone up on a little recent history, and that livery is anything but dull. That tail brought hope to the homeless, dreams to the decimated, a place of safety and security to hundreds of thousands of people who lived in nothing but fear all of their lives, in Europe,...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

In other news as expected, AF 789 service ended on 6/17 and the aircraft will be used on the CDG-KIX. AF377/378 has returned to 77E service. A 77W actually flew the rotation on 6/22 because it cancelled the previous day. Hopefully the 787 returns as more are delivered! I'd reckon we'll be seeing it...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

In other news as expected, AF 789 service ended on 6/17 and the aircraft will be used on the CDG-KIX. AF377/378 has returned to 77E service. A 77W actually flew the rotation on 6/22 because it cancelled the previous day. Hopefully the 787 returns as more are delivered! I'd reckon we'll be seeing it...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

If you think Im trying to flame DTW, youve got another thing coming. Facts are what they are. Im not the one trying to dance around facts because they dont tell me what I want. Are you claiming every other ABC-XYZ wish on a.net is facts based? Absolutely not, but the wish based on facts only rule b...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

ORD-AKL is driven by two alliance partners on either end Not trying to stir some crud, but wouldn't you think that this same concept would apply to Skyteam carriers? Delta and Saudia are partners, that wouldn't be a half bad option and could draw connections on both ends. I'm not saying it's a grea...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

They didn't cancel it ICN/PVG was reduced in capacity and they started ATL-PVG/ICN. AMS same thing reduced capacity on the daily flights and added capacity at MSP but they are not completely canceled. As of today MSP-AMS 26 weekly flights (including KLM) DTW-AMS 27 weekly flights Yes and before it ...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

klm617 wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
If DL really hated DTW don’t you think they’d relocate their international service to another hub!!?



They are slowly. They have moved AMS capacity to MSP and they have moved PVG and ICN capacity to ATL

Good job reading off of imaginary tea leaves, buddy!

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL launches LAX-Europe on B77L on June 16th
Replies: 62
Views: 14649

Re: DL launches LAX-Europe on B77L today

What a waste of aircraft utilization; DL's 77Ls should be flying routes such as ATL-HKG, ATL-SIN, ATL-BKK, ATL-KUL, ATL-SYD and ATL-AKL. The 77L was built for long-haul runs such as the ones I described. They operate the largest hub in the world at ATL with endless connections throughout the USA an...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

As far as F9 there was no net gain in departures flights were dropped to add the new services. As far as NK goes one route has already been dropped and the other two are only seasonal meaning maybe there was a net gain of one departure a day but not even really sure of that because there is no onli...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

Air service announcements this year. NK- 2 including 3 new routes. F9- 3 including 3 new routes. Not to mention DY and EI have intended possible DTW announcements. Auguast-November should be prime time for an international carrier. As far as F9 there was no net gain in departures flights were dropp...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Nastiest feud in the airline industry - New York-Milan
Replies: 43
Views: 8665

Re: Nastiest feud in the airline industry - New York-Milan

Except EK has the largest plane on the route.... And the plane comes from DXB as well so there are probably plenty of DXB-MXP-JFK travelers on board. With multiple daily DXB-NYC nonstops (3 JFK, soon to be 2 JFK 1 EWR), that's kinda hard to believe. I admittedly don't have numbers, but I'd venture ...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

Again all I ask was is Detroit waiving two years landing fee like other airports are and the answer is obviously no displayed by all these diversionary posts we now know BOS and ATL do does DTW waive 2 years landing fees for any airline wanting to start serve here it's a simple yes or no question. ...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

They are nothing earth shattering that is going to make an airline say hey I want to be in Detroit by the incentive that is offered. The low amount of incentives plus the fact that the WCAA has shown a great inability to market the airport effectively makes the opportunities far and few between. De...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sun Jun 03, 2018 1:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

And that is another a.net myth. That is simply not true and airline like TK can stimulate traffic with their lower fares people who couldn't otherwise afford to fly or that are driving to ORD. Certainly WW, NK and Allegiant have proven that with their rock bottom prices. So it is also a faulty assu...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

In this case it does because more options is better for all those who potentially may use the airport plus it generates more fund for improvements. With you way of thinking no airport should seek greater options and usage. Also please explain how your comment pertains to DTW and it's customers beca...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

What do you all think that the WCAA should being doing as far as growth what markets and airlines should they be perusing for growth in this market and what should be their plan of action. Also what current opportunities is the WCAA pursuing for service enhancements at DTW if any. To say that DTW i...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Thu May 31, 2018 7:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

What do you all think that the WCAA should being doing as far as growth what markets and airlines should they be perusing for growth in this market and what should be their plan of action. Also what current opportunities is the WCAA pursuing for service enhancements at DTW if any. To say that DTW i...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Tue May 29, 2018 8:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

For what it's worth the DTW-ATW and ATL-ATW capacity are pretty much equal per the current schedule. ... measured how? Let's look at facts shall we? Annualized Directional Capacity to ATW, Year Ending August 2018: ATL: 669 Flights, 63,402 Seats, 48.5M ASMs DTW: 1,078 Flights, 71,912 Seats, 21.4M AS...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Tue May 29, 2018 2:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

For some reason I can't edit my last post. I meant to say 59 seats, not 61.

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Tue May 29, 2018 2:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

flymco753 wrote:
DTW-ATW: 2x CRJ (100), 1x CR7 (69), 1x CR9 (76) Total: 245
ATL-ATW: 1x CR9 (76), 1x 717 (110) Total: 186

61 seats a day is not nothing. They're not "about the same". DTW-ATW has almost 4/3rds of ATL-ATW.
These are facts KLM617 shouldn't argue with.

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Mon May 28, 2018 10:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1886
Views: 108801

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

And that makes complete sense except the reverse is not true for ATL. Passengers are routed from the upper Midwest through ATL on many out of the way routings. With that rule of thumb ATL should not be liked places like ATW, MSN and the like but yet they still are. ATW is one of my two home airport...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Mon May 28, 2018 5:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What if Delta/Northwest, United/Continental, and American/US Airways did not merge?
Replies: 4
Views: 931

Re: What if Delta/Northwest, United/Continental, and American/US Airways did not merge?

mdavies06 wrote:

That's a different topic entirely. DL/NW and US/AA weren't exactly the most questionable mergers, much less failed.

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Mon May 28, 2018 1:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Replacement for the 737-200s Gravel Versatility?
Replies: 97
Views: 11361

Re: Replacement for the 737-200s Gravel Versatility?

and why not may I ask ? Because the Boeing 727 is not a modern airframe by any stretch of the imagination. The 722 is older than the 732 by a few years, not to mention it being less efficient on account of being a trijet. No, but there are still proabably more of them flying around as cargo and pri...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sun May 27, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Replacement for the 737-200s Gravel Versatility?
Replies: 97
Views: 11361

Re: Replacement for the 737-200s Gravel Versatility?

There are many Boeing 727s, with time on the airframes parked in Mojave Desert I'm not sure what your obsession with the 727 is, but it certainly makes no sense in seeking a frame younger than the 737-200. and why not may I ask ? Because the Boeing 727 is not a modern airframe by any stretch of the...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sun May 27, 2018 5:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Replacement for the 737-200s Gravel Versatility?
Replies: 97
Views: 11361

Re: Replacement for the 737-200s Gravel Versatility?

I wonder if a BAe 146 with gravel kit would do the job. Nice short runway performance, high wing... The Embraer KC-390 would maybe be nice too, as stated by a friend above. Embraer needs to make it civilian! There are many Boeing 727s, with time on the airframes parked in Mojave Desert I'm not sure...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sat May 26, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Could CFM International offer the B-722 a new lease on life?
Replies: 58
Views: 8444

Re: Could CFM International offer the B-722 a new lease on life?

FYI: Nowhere in the post did I mentioned any one was trying to sell/smuggle aircraft parts to embargoed Iran. You might consider improving your English comprehension skills. You did mention Iran Aseman Airlines as "probably the last operator of regular 727 passenger service", didn't you? ...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sat May 26, 2018 3:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Could CFM International offer the B-722 a new lease on life?
Replies: 58
Views: 8444

Re: Could CFM International offer the B-722 a new lease on life?

I could be wrong, but I think Iran Aseman Airlines is probably the last operator of regular B727 passenger service. Their aircraft fly from Tehran Mehrabad and other Iranian cities domestic and international services. There are still a number of operators in Latin America and Africa who fly them in...

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Thu May 24, 2018 1:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Music in Airport Terminals
Replies: 90
Views: 5965

Re: Music in Airport Terminals

I recall hearing "Born in the USA" at IAD last time I flew there.

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Tue May 22, 2018 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's the purpose of this Antonov plane? (AN-124)
Replies: 18
Views: 1999

Re: What's the purpose of this Antonov plane? (AN-124)

It was originally a Soviet military transport plane to carry heavy materiel. After the Cold War, it entered civilian use as a charter plane for loads too big to go in a 747F

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by 2Holer4Longhaul
Sun May 20, 2018 4:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL to add new routes after agreement with ME3
Replies: 194
Views: 22405

Re: DL to add new routes after agreement with ME3

Let's see if Detroit gets some love or will it be snubbed yet again. Detroit India would be a good market for them. A350 is the perfect plane for Detroit India and the only Delta market left with no competition from the ME3 yet. If anything (for this small, claimed-by-you-to-be-VFR market), the hig...

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