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by ElroyJetson
Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 60 years ago today, Pan Am received its first 707
Replies: 28
Views: 3102

Re: 60 years ago today, Pan Am received its first 707

I actually flew on a Pan Am 707 from JFK to FCO in 1980. A great plane.

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321XLR: Seattle-Asia?
Replies: 40
Views: 6461

Re: A321XLR: Seattle-Asia?

Answer: No

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by ElroyJetson
Thu Aug 09, 2018 5:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can DL's A359's fly ATL-JNB with a full payload?
Replies: 96
Views: 19528

Re: Can DL's A359's fly ATL-JNB with a full payload?

DL flies the route with the 77L, and by most reports it is one of the most profitable routes in DL's system. Does anyone have the load factors and/or figures of how profitable this route actually is? It certainly must be, given how long it's been operated, but I'm curious to see why that is. The an...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Has AA Slipped Behind UA to Become The Number 3 Airline?
Replies: 90
Views: 10421

Re: Has AA Slipped Behind UA to Become The Number 3 Airline?

UA has moved into 2nd place imho. They are starting to upgrade their business class product and have been fairly aggressive in growing domestic market share (ex starting RIC and ORF mainline flights to DEN to bulk up the hub). Yes, UA still has issues, but it is moving in the right direction. AA doe...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 248
Views: 19914

Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2018

New June data for RIC airport. And yes, RIC continues to experience explosive growth. https://www.richmond.com/business/local/richmond-airport-has-record-setting-june-with-passenger-traffic-up/article_4cdc8f7d-8625-562a-9b38-aee757805a60.html .Key Quote: Passenger traffic at Richmond International A...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can DL's A359's fly ATL-JNB with a full payload?
Replies: 96
Views: 19528

Re: Can DL's A359's fly ATL-JNB with a full payload?

Just looked it up and ATL - JNB is currently the 8th longest ULH route in the world. The conditions in JNB have been talked about extensively. It looks like the current DL configured A359's cannot do JNB - ATL with full pax and bags. Yes, the 77L's are still relatively young (nine years old), but DL...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does DL send large planes to small airports?
Replies: 96
Views: 15730

Re: Why does DL send large planes to small airports?

And remember Delta used to fly a Triple 7 between Atlanta and Orlando three times a day and it was always full ..before that they flew to 2 MD-11s out of Orlando to Atlanta. Why because Delta can and they know how to pack Jets And before the 777 they flew L-1011's (multiple per day) out of TPA/MCO ...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:05 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What aircraft is more profitable to operate and why?
Replies: 14
Views: 2280

Re: What aircraft is more profitable to operate and why?

You rarely go broke flying a plane that is some what smaller than you need....but can easily go broke flying a plane bigger than you need.

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:24 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Fuel Consumption Comparison B787-900 / A350-900 LFPG / KJFK / LFPG
Replies: 24
Views: 4395

Re: Fuel Consumption Comparison B787-900 / A350-900 LFPG / KJFK / LFPG

Hi Everyone, I was wondering the fuel consumption of the new generation aircraft from Boeing and Airbus. I would like to compare the TRIP fuel needed of both B789 & A359 on a the following case : - Route : LFPG / KJFK / LFPG - Acfts : B787-900 & A350-900 - Payload : 32 tons - FL 400 LFPG =>...

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by ElroyJetson
Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 127
Views: 12484

Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2017

Great idea for a thread. WN needs to do RIC to MDW. They said they would years ago....no excuse it has not happened. ORF to PHX could work for AA. WN flew to LAS from ORF for many years and gave up the route. ORF to PHX would probably generate more high yield traffic. The western suburbs of DC are ...

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by ElroyJetson
Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:26 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A340-300 vs B777-200ER, A Retrospective Analysis
Replies: 58
Views: 10232

Re: A340-300 vs B777-200ER, A Retrospective Analysis

The problem is the 343 could have been a great plane if the original engine envisioned for it (the superfan) had worked out.

Instead it was solid....not spectacular. And I have zero doubt the 77E was cheaper to operate and maintain, as well as more capable than the 343.

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by ElroyJetson
Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

Fleet commonality is difficult in these days of Airbus and Boeing refusing to go head-to-head and instead staggering their airplane designs. AA have a fleet of over 900 airplanes, the 789 probably doesn't quite match what AA needs for an eventual 772ER replacement in several markets. My guess is th...

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by ElroyJetson
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 127
Views: 12484

Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2017

Great idea for a thread. WN needs to do RIC to MDW. They said they would years ago....no excuse it has not happened. ORF to PHX could work for AA. WN flew to LAS from ORF for many years and gave up the route. ORF to PHX would probably generate more high yield traffic. The western suburbs of DC are g...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

Why introduce another plane type that is not necessary and incur the additional costs of training and maintenance for a relatively small sub-fleet? Same argument was used at UA. So UA could have easily ordered additional 787s and axed the A350 order, yet it felt the A350 was better suited to replac...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Strategy for the last 10 years
Replies: 22
Views: 2907

Re: Delta Strategy for the last 10 years

Folks have made many excellent points.....I would just add DL has done a brilliant job of keeping their capitalization costs low relative to other US carriers. Acquiring 717's from WN for peanuts was genius. A great enhancement to DL's fleet for low costs. Ditto acquiring secondhand MD-90's for next...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2798
Views: 340024

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

200-250 pax range 4000-4500nm and CASM at least 10% lower than the A321 neo or 737-10 MAX with equal or lower trip costs.

Do that and you have a winner.

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus in better position than Boeing?
Replies: 38
Views: 6046

Re: Airbus in better position than Boeing?

The recent financial results are telling. In that sense, Boeing is winning, for now. Airbus has taken a bath on the A380....Boeing on the 787. The difference..... Boeing has a chance to recoup losses on the 787. The A380 is done IMHO....and has been a huge drain. Those losses will not be recouped. B...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus in better position than Boeing?
Replies: 38
Views: 6046

Re: Airbus in better position than Boeing?

So you're an Airbus fanboy. Okay.....no problem. Boeing dominates the upper end of the market and always has. I do not see that changing. Airbus is now dominating the middle of the market. Again....I do not see that changing. If you look at net deliveries over the last 10 years they are very, very ...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus in better position than Boeing?
Replies: 38
Views: 6046

Re: Airbus in better position than Boeing?

Hi Everyone This is my first post on this forum but I've been lurking for a long time, great place to be! I work in travel and travel-related industries and aviation is and always has been a big part of my life. I am no subject expert on aviation matters but I enjoy the industry and have learned mu...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Airlines to purchase up to 40 787-9 aircraft
Replies: 159
Views: 26426

Re: Turkish Orders 40 787 Dreamliners

A great day for Boeing and America. Congratulations on a major order when the wide body market is so tight right now.

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG's plans for Aer Lingus
Replies: 25
Views: 6934

Re: IAG's plans for Aer Lingus

DUB will be an overflow lowering yielding hub for one world for flights into Europe, thereby leaving the higher yielding traffic to LHR. In that sense both parties benefit.

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

That fuel consumption data provided here shows that 789 consumes 5600! kg/h, where did you get the 5400 figure from? If we assume that this figure is correct, then 789 would provide a 3.5% fuel consumption advantage per trip. Now, since RR will launch an enhanced version of Trent XWB for A359 by 20...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

How considerable is 'considerably'? According to fuel consumption data posted here and elsewhere the 789 burns 5400-5600kg per hour. The 359 burns 5800kg per hour. That works out to 4-5% lower fuel burn for the 789. That equates to tens of millions of dollars over the life of the frame. If the 789 ...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

The 789 has considerably lower trip cost and than the 359. Second, cargo is less than 2% of AA's revenue. They clearly do not need a cargo/pax jet trans-pacific. The 789 obviously seems to work well for them. I fully expect AA to use most if not all of their remaining 50 + options with Boeing for a...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

The 789 has considerably lower trip cost and than the 359. Second, cargo is less than 2% of AA's revenue. They clearly do not need a cargo/pax jet trans-pacific. The 789 obviously seems to work well for them. I fully expect AA to use most if not all of their remaining 50 + options with Boeing for ad...

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by ElroyJetson
Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

Great analysis. It makes sense that AA would ultimately rationalize their long haul fleet around the 787, A330, and 777. I cannot image any mission or market contingency those 3 aircraft could not cover when you look at AA's international route network. Why introduce another plane type that is not n...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

Based on the comments from the Bloomberg article it looks like the A350 order is toast. That's exactly what the "experts" said about UA's A350 order. :scratchchin: You did read the Bloomberg article...right? What gives you confidence the order will happen? As for UA....I don't know who th...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

Speedbirdasia wrote:
There had been unofficial talk about AA and DL trading slots of 350s and 787s. As Delta has the outstanding Northwest 787 order and AA with the ex US Airways A350.




DL cancelled the 18 787 NW order over a year ago.

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35707

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

Based on the comments from the Bloomberg article it looks like the A350 order is toast. I think the 330Neo probably makes more sense for AA. They can use the 789 for longer trans-pacific routes along with their 77W's. Why introduce another fleet type when it is really not needed? Also, AA already al...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ME3 carriers enter talk about aircraft deferrals
Replies: 31
Views: 6173

Re: ME3 carriers enter talk about aircraft deferrals

And I'm not sure why the focus is on just the ME3. I'm not sure why you believe the focus is on the ME3. We do have separate threads on LH, UA and CX. We have comments in various threads such as the 77X ones that are keen to cast ME3 as particularly worrisome customers, and this thread seems to wan...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ME3 carriers enter talk about aircraft deferrals
Replies: 31
Views: 6173

Re: ME3 carriers enter talk about aircraft deferrals

The airline business is one of the most cyclical there is. The ME3 growth rate was not sustainable, so this is not surprising....but it does not mean death and doom either. Many A380 and 77W's will need to be replaced eventually. Both Boeing and Airbus make good products. The frames will sell....jus...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of 777X
Replies: 395
Views: 40437

Re: Future of 777X

There are over 1500 777 first generation frames that have been ordered. If the 777x gets even a third of those replacements it will be very successful. I expect at least half of the newer 77W and 77L replacements will go to the 777x. Talk of the 777x not being successful is silly. The assumption is...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of 777X
Replies: 395
Views: 40437

Re: Future of 777X

There are over 1500 777 first generation frames that have been ordered. If the 777x gets even a third of those replacements it will be very successful. I expect at least half of the newer 77W and 77L replacements will go to the 777x. Talk of the 777x not being successful is silly. The assumption is ...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of 777X
Replies: 395
Views: 40437

Re: Future of 777X

The 777x program will define the VLA market for the next two decades. But hey....haters are gonna hate despite any and all evidence to the contrary.

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by ElroyJetson
Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Future Expansion
Replies: 516
Views: 58577

Re: DL Future Expansion

Just for Clarification, DL doesn't operate RIC-CVG and RIC-SLC is only 30-40 PDEW... Hmmmm....they did for many years. DL used to run two MD-88's daily. I went through the CVG a number of times on business. As for SLC...I think the connecting flights to the west coast could justify a flight....not ...

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by ElroyJetson
Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Future Expansion
Replies: 516
Views: 58577

Re: DL Future Expansion

I could see DL starting an RIC to SLC flight. UA started an RIC to DEN that quickly went mainline and has been quite successful.....usually flying an A319. So why not DL to its western hub? DL already has a large presence at RIC with flights to ATL....DTW...MSP....LGA....JFK.....CVG and BOS. Why no...

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by ElroyJetson
Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Future Expansion
Replies: 516
Views: 58577

Re: DL Future Expansion

I could see DL starting an RIC to SLC flight. UA started an RIC to DEN that quickly went mainline and has been quite successful.....usually flying an A319. So why not DL to its western hub? DL already has a large presence at RIC with flights to ATL....DTW...MSP....LGA....JFK.....CVG and BOS. Why not?

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by ElroyJetson
Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:42 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: US3 and Boeing 787-10 Prediction
Replies: 17
Views: 2318

Re: US3 and Boeing 787-10 Prediction

I think DL will eventually operate the 789 but not the 78J. It it too similar in mission profile to the 339 they have already ordered.

I do think AA will order the 78J eventually for TATL flights like their partner BA.

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by ElroyJetson
Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of 777X
Replies: 395
Views: 40437

Re: Future of 777X

Everything I've read about the 777x says it will be a great plane that is optimized for missions between 4500-7500nm. It will be superb as a carrier of belly freight in addition to max bags and pax. That is definitely what EK wants and they picked the correct plane imho. In my mind the comparison be...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL add IND-CDG
Replies: 223
Views: 24779

Re: DL add IND-CDG

Smart move by DL. Congrats to Indy.

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by ElroyJetson
Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of 777X
Replies: 395
Views: 40437

Re: Future of 777X

I talked about the 778's payload/ range in another thread.....but when you look at the numbers it is a beast. Granted it is a niche aircraft, but a mission like ATL -JNB with full pax, bags, and cargo it cannot be beat. The 35K should be a very good plane, but it is not a direct competitor to the 77...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of 777X
Replies: 395
Views: 40437

Re: Future of 777X

However, a program launch with 316 orders on the books looks pretty damn solid to me. Depending on rebates and conditions probably not. Remember the vast numbers in the 787 orderbook ( achieved on wide spectrum overpromise and price dumping ). My guess would be that the 777X could quite well be a P...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of 777X
Replies: 395
Views: 40437

Re: Future of 777X

A350s perform as promised, the A350-1000 looks to have unbeatable economics at this stage. The biggest A350 customers are big 777 users. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A350_XWB_orders_and_deliveries#Orders_and_deliveries_by_customer_.28sortable.29 Some are still in denial because the ...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?
Replies: 126
Views: 18421

Re: The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?

The 78J and 789 effectively bracket the 359. You could use the fleet commonality argument I suppose. Either the 78J and 359 combination works or if EK wants something slightly smaller the 78J and 789. Hopefully whatever is decided the announcement is made at the airshow. This has dragged on for a le...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?
Replies: 126
Views: 18421

Re: The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?

I don't think EK will convert 777x orders. Their large 77W and 777LR fleet will need to be replaced, as well as the 380 eventually. The 777x should do that well. I think a mix of 78J and 359 would be a logical move for those routes needing either less range or capacity. Both are highly efficient fra...

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by ElroyJetson
Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?
Replies: 126
Views: 18421

Re: The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?

Would Delta announce a narrowbody order at Dubai? It would be interesting if DL ordered the most airplanes at that show. Excellent point because DL is in the process of starting to retire their large fleet of MD-88's. There are obviously many options in the 140-180 seat range. I would guess almost ...

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by ElroyJetson
Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?
Replies: 126
Views: 18421

Re: The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?

Interesting comments. I think the IAG group might order some additional A350's. I see some 339 orders coming from either Asian or European carriers. I do not believe EK will order the A380plus. They have been clear they want a re-engined and re-winged plane......not something with a cabin change and...

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by ElroyJetson
Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?
Replies: 126
Views: 18421

The Dubai Air Show Nov 2017. What Major Announcements Do You Expect?

The Dubai Air Show is scheduled a mere two months from now and I am curious what if any major announcements folks expect might be made. I can guess EK might announce their long anticipated "regional jet" choice. Maybe EADS announces the 322? Boeing unveils their MOM plane? Further tweaks t...

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by ElroyJetson
Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WOW Air KEF-MIA nonstop with A 321 - longest flight ever?
Replies: 34
Views: 8113

Re: WOW Air KEF-MIA nonstop with A 321 - longest flight ever?

I flew on a narrowbody 707 from JFK to FCO in 1980. No different than a widebody from my perspective. A plane seat is a plane seat.

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas to announce ambitious plan to fly East Coast Australia to London and New York by 2022
Replies: 316
Views: 40633

Re: Qantas to announce ambitious plan to fly East Coast Australia to London and New York by 2022

And neither of you answered mine because I am correct and you have no argument. My point again should anyone have anything intelligent to say. Per QF's stated mission requirement of carrying 300 pax on a SYD-JFK or SYD-LHR the 778 is the best choice due to superior payload and range capability. Buh-...

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