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by ElroyJetson
Tue May 21, 2019 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NW vs UA Who was stronger in TPAC network?
Replies: 20
Views: 1708

Re: NW vs UA Who was stronger in TPAC network?

Both were strong because neither had any other US competition. Since both mostly funneled flights through NRT I guess you could say JAL was there primary competition or maybe KE funneling pax through ICN. Remember in this era the Chinese carriers were pretty much non-existent.

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by ElroyJetson
Thu May 16, 2019 4:35 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 787 vs A350 range
Replies: 268
Views: 50563

Re: 787 vs A350 range

You are correct. I thought both frames were carrying 25t payloads. I assumed this because the chart data exactly agreed with pink machines FCOM data. "both 25t" :: Why should that have been the case? The updated graph is the exact same one posted previously ( with *@40t data ) and overlay...

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by ElroyJetson
Thu May 16, 2019 2:51 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 787 vs A350 range
Replies: 268
Views: 50563

Re: 787 vs A350 range

Could you reference the data for the A359 fuel burn with a load of 25T? From two samples for the latest airframes(difficult to find more as the payload carried is usually much higher than 25t) - 5.6t/hr over 13.5 hours. Thanks, this helps. With this information, I can only conclude that the 5T diff...

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by ElroyJetson
Thu May 16, 2019 2:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does BA (and others) decide to use 20+ year old planes on specific popular routes?
Replies: 53
Views: 10928

Re: Why does BA (and others) decide to use 20+ year old planes on specific popular routes?

Just a guess....

Maybe because those planes are paid for and new aircraft are a huge capital expenditure.

As long as the interiors are reasonably well maintained who cares?

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by ElroyJetson
Thu May 16, 2019 4:19 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 787 vs A350 range
Replies: 268
Views: 50563

Re: 787 vs A350 range

40 T payload is indeed on the high side for ULR flights. If anyone’s interested, here’s trip fuel burn data for [email protected] 25T payload, which is more or less what QF9/10 carries. Incidentally, 25T is also where the 789 becomes fuel volume limited. At higher ranges/lower payloads it will run out of fuel v...

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by ElroyJetson
Thu May 16, 2019 3:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 81
Views: 11896

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2019

I am surprised RIC-DTW has not had mainline upgrade to 717 or A 220. NWA used to fly four DC-9 flights a day. There is certainly enough traffic to warrant it.

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by ElroyJetson
Thu May 16, 2019 2:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can Singapore Airlines Start SIN-YVR With 787-10 or does it need A350-900 like SIN-SEA
Replies: 23
Views: 6311

Re: Can Singapore Airlines Start SIN-YVR With 787-10 or does it need A350-900 like YVR-SEA

The B787-10 can fly 11.5-12 hours maximum with a full payload. Its current longest scheduled flights in S19 and in S20 are TLV-EWR on UA and AMS-SFO on KL. SIN-SEA is 14 hours 40 minutes block time so unfortunately the B781 cannot operate this route nonstop. The 787-10 can do around 4000 nm/8 hrs w...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed May 15, 2019 6:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 787 Trent Engine replace on Norwegian
Replies: 38
Views: 5160

Re: 787 Trent Engine replace on Norwegian

I fly the 787 for a living. You have nothing to worry about. The engines are inspected and maintained by highly qualified personnel and the aviation authorities also have a big say in when the engines need replacement. Just relax and enjoy your flight :) Totally unrelated question. But how do you r...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed May 15, 2019 2:37 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 787 Trent Engine replace on Norwegian
Replies: 38
Views: 5160

Re: 787 Trent Engine replace on Norwegian

I fly the 787 for a living. You have nothing to worry about. The engines are inspected and maintained by highly qualified personnel and the aviation authorities also have a big say in when the engines need replacement. Just relax and enjoy your flight :) Totally unrelated question. But how do you r...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue May 14, 2019 2:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Fred, I also appreciate the information you provided.

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by ElroyJetson
Mon May 13, 2019 11:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

my same models as previous with 36t loads. https://i.ibb.co/8XSWsgm/Project-sunrise-comparison-36k.png Thanks for the information. Based on your new data at a payload of 36t can both aircraft comfortably fly the mission? Would either aircraft need to block seats with a headwind of say 70 knots vers...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon May 13, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

In the long tech ops thread we analysed the 787-9 vs the A350-900. In that thread we looked at the same payload over the same distance, for the 40t payload the difference in landing weight was just 4.57%, the trip fuel burn difference on average was less than 1%. The A350-900 being optimised for lo...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon May 13, 2019 5:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

It is the same. The A350-900 MTOW is 10% heavier than the 787-9 (280T vs 254T). The A350-900 has 7.5% more span (64.75m 60.12m) The 777-8 MTOW is 11% heavier than the A358-1000 (351T vs 316T). The 777-8 has 9.5% more span (71.8m vs 64.75m) Now this clearly shows you are wrong. The 777-8 wing is cle...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon May 13, 2019 4:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Anyways, 789 vs A359 isn’t the same as A35K vs 778. Even though A359 is heavier than 789, A359 has a lower span loading and wing loadOing. A359 is only slightly heavier while its wings are considerably longer and bigger. That’s why A359 has a lower induced drag than 789. 789 generates less parasiti...

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by ElroyJetson
Sat May 11, 2019 5:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Interesting information. My takeaway from all the excellent information provided is that the fuel burn for both frames is very very close for the Project Sunrise mission. The 778 can carry a bit more payload which theoretically can translate into more revenue or fuel reserve. Qantas initially said t...

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by ElroyJetson
Sat May 11, 2019 4:38 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 787-10 In service Performance
Replies: 27
Views: 4781

Re: 787-10 In service Performance

The 787-10 is effectively a slightly longer, slightly heavier 787-9 and the 787-9 is an extremely long-legged aircraft. So it is not surprising it too can handle long missions. Also, I think people often do not realize how capable the 787 and A350 families are. I also think people don't appreciate ...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri May 10, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

The A35K may use 2-3% less fuel than the 778 and may be 1-2% quicker as well. Add to this the fact that the A35K will be more versatile within the network than the 778, I see no operational (non-commercial) reason for QF to go for the 778. You have completely misinterpreted the table. The 777-8 abs...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri May 10, 2019 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

I guess this is the best way to post this. There i to variants of the A35K for comparison. One with DOW at 147000kg and one with DOW at 150000kg. The TSFC is listed in the data. https://i.ibb.co/KzPmtL1/Project-sunrise-comparison.png Fred It is amazing how close fuel burn is for both frames. My que...

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by ElroyJetson
Wed May 08, 2019 12:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Qantas Project Sunrise Close to a Go

The statement was the 778 can fly more payload farther than the A 350. Nothing you posted contradicts anything I said. No the statement was “The 778 can do Project Sunrise without a lot of modification. The A350 will need much more modification because it is not as capable. ” Firstly the A35K nomin...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue May 07, 2019 6:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair considers A321neo and possible all-Airbus fleet
Replies: 140
Views: 22250

Re: Icelandair considers A321neo and possible all-Airbus fleet

Boeing has dragged their feet on the NMA and Airbus currently has the best alternative available to replace the 757 on longer sectors.

The A321 LR is fine plane. I don't blame Icelandair one bit.

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by ElroyJetson
Tue May 07, 2019 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Qantas Project Sunrise Close to a Go

Why so thin skinned? The 778 is a much more capable aircraft than the A350. It can fly more payload farther. This is not difficult to understand. Airbus fans make the same point regarding the A350 versus the 787 and they are correct. The 778 can do Project Sunrise without a lot of modification. The...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue May 07, 2019 3:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 778
Views: 138606

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Well maybe because the 77W and 77L won't be in production and aren't being offered may have something to do with that. As for the 787, it isn't big enough for the task specified, so why does anybody mention it ? I was responding to the poster that was saying the the A350 doesn’t do anything differe...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon May 06, 2019 5:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?
Replies: 269
Views: 28904

Re: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?

This happens every time their is a high profile crash. I remember the DC-10 hysteria in the late 1970's. Boeing made mistakes with the max but they do not build unsafe aircraft. Neither does Airbus. The problems will be fixed. People need to chill. Nobody wanted or expected this to happen. People d...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon May 06, 2019 5:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?
Replies: 269
Views: 28904

Re: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?

I would say that from second level of management and up, there are issues with safety compliance. The rank in file employees and 1st level managers want to produce a safe product. 2nd level and up only think of $$$ and schedule. Don't think for a NY minute that once the ban is lifted that there wil...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon May 06, 2019 5:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?
Replies: 269
Views: 28904

Re: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?

Haters gonna hate. I have never assumed either manufacturer has put profit before safety. There is zero factual evidence to support that conclusion. But again, if it makes you happy, enjoy. :bouncy: :yuck:

Maybe your saying Boeing thinks crashes are good for business?

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by ElroyJetson
Mon May 06, 2019 4:54 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 787-10 In service Performance
Replies: 27
Views: 4781

Re: 787-10 In service Performance

We've heard so many mixed views about the actual performance and capability of the 78X. One of my friends at United Fleet Operations stated the aircraft performance, capability and economics have far exceed the expectations of everyone at the airline and they continue to look for ways to push the a...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon May 06, 2019 4:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?
Replies: 269
Views: 28904

Re: Something wrong with Boeing's safety culture?

This happens every time their is a high profile crash. I remember the DC-10 hysteria in the late 1970's.

Boeing made mistakes with the max but they do not build unsafe aircraft. Neither does Airbus. The problems will be fixed. People need to chill. Nobody wanted or expected this to happen.

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by ElroyJetson
Sun May 05, 2019 7:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 question
Replies: 64
Views: 11519

Re: A220 question

I think the economics of the A220 along with the market niche it inhabits will make it ultimately a very successful aircraft. The DL order was huge for the program. I think it would be an outstanding choice for WN to open up new markets and routes. All the the A220 needs is another tent pole (i.e. A...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How come the DL A350 can't fly LAX-SYD it is rumored?
Replies: 314
Views: 54319

Re: How come the DL A350 can't fly LAX-SYD it is rumored?

Let me just clear something up that I keep hearing regarding the profitability of LAX-SYD on DL. That route goes out full everyday...EVERYDAY. you will not find open J class seats or W seats and even during the offseason you may get 40 seats max open on a random day in the back. It is known to be t...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How come the DL A350 can't fly LAX-SYD it is rumored?
Replies: 314
Views: 54319

Re: How come the DL A350 can't fly LAX-SYD it is rumored?

Has anyone on this thread consulted the ACAPS document? I've misread the A359 chart on the phone which changes the conclusion entirely. It should be: 34t payload @ 7,700nm 30t payload @ 8,200nm 789 25t payload @ 7,700nm A particular individual seems to be under the impression that the A350-900 has ...

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by ElroyJetson
Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific's Airbus A350-1000s and upcoming Boeing 777-9Xs
Replies: 62
Views: 15639

Re: Cathay Pacific's Airbus A350-1000s and upcoming Boeing 777-9Xs

I suspect the 777X aircraft will be much better than Boeing is indicating. The 777 certainly exceeded expectations to say the least. It buried the 747, A340, and A380. Absolutely killed those aircraft. I see no reason to underestimate the 777X. I think it will be a remarkable frame. As spoken by an...

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by ElroyJetson
Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific's Airbus A350-1000s and upcoming Boeing 777-9Xs
Replies: 62
Views: 15639

Re: Cathay Pacific's Airbus A350-1000s and upcoming Boeing 777-9Xs

The marketplace will decide these issues, not keyboard warriors on a-net. I remember the debates regarding the A340 vs the 777. Many claimed the A340 was the superior aircraft. The market said different. The 777x has not yet flown revenue service. Carriers like CX will quickly learn which frame is s...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How come the DL A350 can't fly LAX-SYD it is rumored?
Replies: 314
Views: 54319

Re: How come the DL A350 can't fly LAX-SYD it is rumored?

777-9 provides more capacity than the -1000, but not the same efficiency. To turn your line of thinking around, if the 77L/77W 777-8/9 were so good, why did CX or any airline for that matter buy the A350 ? You would never admit the CX also operated the A340 for a long time and they also made a lot ...

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How come the DL A350 can't fly LAX-SYD it is rumored?
Replies: 314
Views: 54319

Re: How come the DL A350 can't fly LAX-SYD it is rumored!?

This topic has come up several times before. I would refer to other threads on the subject.

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by ElroyJetson
Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-10 Missions in the transpacific market
Replies: 50
Views: 12104

Re: Boeing 787-10 Missions in the transpacific market

The 787-10 can fly 6000 nm with full pax and bags. ORD-NRT would be very feasible as would any West coast city to Japan, Korea, or northern China.

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by ElroyJetson
Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Package of new/used A380's pitched to BA was uncompetitive: Cruz
Replies: 173
Views: 30393

Re: Package of new/used A380's pitched to BA was uncompetitive: Cruz

The A380 is an inefficient fuel guzzling dinosaur. This is particularly true with the advent of the 787, A350, and the 777X.

There is simply no solid business case for the A380 anymore. Folks, please, just let it go. Much like the 747 it's day has passed.

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by ElroyJetson
Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:40 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which of the US3 has the best hubs?
Replies: 29
Views: 2361

Re: Which of the US3 has the best hubs?

detroitbadboy wrote:
I would say Delta does. It doesn't get much better than NYC,DTW,LAX,etc.



DL has the most profitable hubs. UA the best geographically.

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by ElroyJetson
Sat Mar 30, 2019 3:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 20979

Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019

RIC Passenger Traffic Increases 13.9%, Sets All-Time February Record For the 17th consecutive month, Richmond International Airport (RIC) reports a record level of travelers, as February’s total passenger count surpassed the previous record established a year ago. This year, RIC airlines reported 2...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH orders 20 B789 and 20 additional A350; Will sell 6 A380s back to Airbus
Replies: 351
Views: 53625

Re: LH orders 20 B789 and 20 additional A350; Will sell 6 A380s back to Airbus

They can probably bring it down to three aircraft families in a couple of years: A350, 777 and 787. Although there may be a business case to add the A330-900. And what would that business case be? What does the A339 do better than the 789? Please inform me; I am not aware of any type of route where...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 186
Views: 20979

Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019

Richmond continues its explosive growth. January pax numbers are up 14.5%. For calendar year 2018 pax numbers surpassed 4 mil for the first time with an 11.5% annual increase.

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: a MTOW increase on 787-10 to compete with A359?
Replies: 604
Views: 85043

Re: a MTOW increase on 787-10 to compete with A359?

Can someone explain to me why anyone thinks fuel burn per hour is a useful thing to compare across missions or why people want to have a fixed "it burns x tonnes/hour" number for a given aircraft? Fuel burn is vastly different between the first hour of the flight and the last! It's also v...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: a MTOW increase on 787-10 to compete with A359?
Replies: 604
Views: 85043

Re: a MTOW increase on 787-10 to compete with A359?

DL has published their average A359 TPAC block fuel consumption is 6400-6600 kg per hour. Zeke flies the A359 and has confirmed those are real world numbers. . Fuel burn isn't a fixed thing that comes each plane. It varies significantly with payload and distance. Refer to RJMAZ's post in this threa...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: a MTOW increase on 787-10 to compete with A359?
Replies: 604
Views: 85043

Re: a MTOW increase on 787-10 to compete with A359?

DL has published their average A359 TPAC block fuel consumption is 6400-6600 kg per hour. Zeke flies the A359 and has confirmed those are real world numbers. I would guess for a similar mission profile, say SEA- NRT the 787-10 would burn 5800-5900 kg per hour. While there is no doubt in my mind the ...

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by ElroyJetson
Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: a MTOW increase on 787-10 to compete with A359?
Replies: 604
Views: 85043

Re: a MTOW increase on 787-10 to compete with A359?

I am a big 787-10 fan but even I don't believe it has the same payload range of the A359. Each are optimized differently. That is okay.

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:10 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation to date?
Replies: 127
Views: 13991

Re: A380 Biggest manufacturing loss in civil aviation ?

The A380 was built more for bragging rights and corporate ego than any sound business reasons. Make no mistake, the entire program hurt Airbus tremendously. For example, imagine if the A350 would have come to market 4 years earlier? But hey Boeing made huge mistakes with the roll out of the 787. The...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United B78X IAD-PEK
Replies: 72
Views: 14026

Re: United B78X IAD-PEK

Thank you so much for sharing the numbers! I think you may be a bit pessimistic on your conclusion. The flight had 16.4 t of TOW to spare. Drop the 3.7 t of cargo and that gives 20.1 t to play with. 92 more passengers and their bags would eat up about 10 of those 20 t before you account for fuel. I...

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by ElroyJetson
Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United B78X IAD-PEK
Replies: 72
Views: 14026

Re: UNITED B78X IAD-PEK

scbriml wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
you have no idea how full this flight is. Pretending that you do is kind of foolish.


Nor do you, so claiming it's something wonderful is equally foolish.


I never claimed to know, I was responding to someone who did. You need to read more carefully. :D

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by ElroyJetson
Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United B78X IAD-PEK
Replies: 72
Views: 14026

Re: UNITED B78X IAD-PEK

But,but,but.....i thought the 787-10 had no range? :x Over 6000nm westbound? But here at a.net folks said it was barely about to cross the Atlantic. I mean....go figure....right? It must be magic or some kind of Boeing conspiracy. I’m pretty sure people are referring to fully loaded vs half empty p...

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by ElroyJetson
Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United B78X IAD-PEK
Replies: 72
Views: 14026

Re: UNITED B78X IAD-PEK

But,but,but.....i thought the 787-10 had no range? :x Over 6000nm westbound? But here at a.net folks said it was barely about to cross the Atlantic.

I mean....go figure....right? It must be magic or some kind of Boeing conspiracy.

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by ElroyJetson
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 870
Views: 103782

Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Hard to continue production when there is basically only one customer.

Always thought it was an ugly plane but passengers loved it. Still a sad day.

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