off-centre landing gear. I was under the impression that the BAC 1-11 landing gear was "normal", while the Trident had an off-centre nose gear. Looks like I've learned something new. Hmm, looks like you're right. I know the Trident had this arrangement but in my memory the 1-11 had it as ...Jump to post
Although I wasn't aware that a 1-11 was still flying, it is still sad news to me. A friendly, somewhat quirky aeroplane, with its high 'forehead', short tail fin and off-centre landing gear. I grew up 20 kilometres from AMS, close to the sea, and as a kid and teenager I have seen and heard many, man...Jump to post
According to this site, AF are going to receive KLM's A350's. https://www.airway1.com/boeing-787-in-klm-and-a350-exclusive-to-air-france/ Thanks. While it is an interesting read, the article, and the French article it links to, is only based on rumours. The claim that KL will not get any A350s is n...Jump to post
Iran CAO put out an accident notice out the next day, 20 March 2019, in Persian (I am fully fluent in Persian). I am sure the final report will be in English since foreign investigation agencies are to join. (...) Many thanks for translating A300! Not just IR...it's pretty well known issue of the F...Jump to post
I knew it wasn't real but it looks very convincing. A good photoshop job.Jump to post
I just hope that they add the small back dot on the nose cone which is sadly missing on the BOAC retro 747. All the aircraft during the Negus period had the black dot on the nose cone which I personally liked and I do hope that we see it on G-CIVB. Yes, I like those black dots too, and not only on ...Jump to post
Thanks all for your responses! The problem itself did not exist because it had been avoided in an old school way: mechanically. Undesired shiftings of the center of gravity to a critical point had often been avoided by adding a certain number of frames forward the wing and another certeain number af...Jump to post
Dear forum members, I don't want to start yet another B737MAX thread, but the recent terrible accidents in which the type was involved and the subsequent turmoil made me think about the transitions from earlier generations of the Boeing 737 to successive versions. In the threads about the accidents ...Jump to post
They grounded the 737 MAX because if we use the 777 as an industry example, it was 18 years before 'the Koreans' managed to kill someone in one. The MH events do not count either. The MAX has already killed 357 in under two years, and within 5 months of each other during the climb. None of the fata...Jump to post
(...)the nose is not the same in all the pictures (...) That's correct. For instance, during the interview that I referred to in my post above, ARB test pilot D.P. Davies tells at one point that the first prototype(s) had a full metal visor (the device that slides up to cover the 'actual' cockpit w...Jump to post
(...) Also this post makes me miss historic forum user Madame Concorde! Maybe other folks remember her on here as well. Yes, I do remember her. It must be at least 5 years ago that we saw a contribution of hers here on the forum. Sometimes it takes a while to realise that you haven't seen somebody ...Jump to post
anshabhi wrote:This aircraft has better handwriting then me
Yes, I agree with you. I always thought it was silly to pay attention to 'lucky numbers' in an industry where nobody cares about things like that. I just thought it was good fun to show with some historic examples that 'lucky numbers' don't sell planes... And that the manufacturers might as well go ...Jump to post
The agony of the A380 project made me think about the fashion of using the number '8' in aircraft names. I believe the idea behind this fashion was that '8' counts as a lucky number in some Asian cultures and it was thought that an '8' in the type number could increase the aircraft type's appeal to ...Jump to post
A 787 painted on the BOAC Comet style livery. The 787's round nose would look smashing and reminiscent of the Comet's own round nose. This is about as close as you'll get to that: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/6379/ypuH0X.png That is absolutely stunning! :o :airplane: The 787 is one of the...Jump to post
G-BYGC is scheduled to depart DUB around 08:30 today and is expected to arrive at LHR 10:00 GMT. Really looking forward to the first picturesJump to post
Here is a picture of three of the very earliest 747s, being prepared for testing in September 1969. On the first one, the 'bubble' is not yet installed, but it seems there is an opening in the fuselage in the place where it is going to be. It looks like the satcom equipment is about to be built in a...Jump to post
Some of KLM's 747- 2 06s had this too: 0490489 BTW, this is the ill-fated PH-BUF that was involved in the Tenerife disaster. It was part of KL's first batch of 747 with PW engines. I vaguely remember that this 'bubble' housed some kind of additional antenna but I don't rember what its function was. ...Jump to post
There is a '1919-2019' script on the aft fuselageJump to post
Another sneak preview of the first 744 to be repainted:
(https://twitter.com/British_Airways/sta ... 72288?s=09)
This one is being painted in the 60s/70s BOAC colours. The tail fin already looks very good! Can't wait to see the entire aeroplane tomorrow!
Ouch, that's an expensive mistake! Interesting to see pictures taken from both planes at around the same time. I think the 744 will be fixed quicker than the 789. If necessary, a 744 can be operated with just one winglet, it has been done before. How long would the replacement of a 787 stabilizer ta...Jump to post
(...)But at least the cabin crew do completely ignore you if your do not happen to speak the local language (...) I trust you meant to write " don't completely ignore you" It would be weird if KLM staff would ignore anyone who doesn't speak Dutch, as they would need to ignore 99,99% of th...Jump to post
Thanks for clarifyin JannEejit and SheikhDjibouti!
At the time I thought the "British" script was a bit weird but indeed, it has got a following.
I am curious whether the 747 that will have the Negus livery will get "British airways" or just "British" titles. Since the 70s I have been puzzled by those 'British' titles. Does anyone know what the idea behind this was? Was this a later version of the Negus livery? At the time...Jump to post
The majority of their classic 747s were the SUD variety (...) That's right. Interestingly, KLM had only their GE powered 742's (PH-BUH > PH-BUT) converted to 747-206 SUD. The earlier P&W engined -206's (PH-BUA > PH-BUG) kept their short hump. The SUD's were often referred to as -300, and techni...Jump to post
What will be really interesting is how Swiss' livery gets revised. That has always been Eurowhite with just red. But they're also (after LH proper) the most premium brand in the LH group as they still have first class on all of their long-haul planes. I'm afraid that will be easy to predict: the ta...Jump to post
That's what you get when a bunch of Germans start tampering with Italian flair and charm... " Vee must take down all ze zweeping linez Kurt! Ze group colorz must be stantartizet!" :rotfl: :D I'm not sure whether this can be called a 'livery' at all. It seems the era of distinguishable air...Jump to post
Thanks, that's a very interesting exercise. Some people may question the use of it, but I think it's a good and funny way to put things into perspective. That CV880 fuel burn is really frightening :shock: I wonder how this would compare in absolute terms with a modern large widebody like, let's say,...Jump to post
Airport expansion is always an option, either at hubs like AMS/BRU/DUS or perhaps give opportunity to smaller ones like EIN. Well, probably not in this case. Netherlands is a very densely populated country (17,3 million inhabitants) and there's currently a big discussion going on about CO2 reductio...Jump to post
Interesting topic. I'm actually a bit surprised to see that no LH 744 has ever flown in the older livery with the cheatline, the black nose cone and the larger 'Spiegelei' on the tail, like on this 747-230B: 1646155 I didn't realise that the now outgoing livery was introduced that long ago. Anyway, ...Jump to post
Thanks SEPilot. It is indeed not true that all 803 KC-135s had been ordered before the 707 first flew, but in 1955, the USAF had already ordered 279 tankers from Boeing. At that time, only the 367-80 had flown (July 1954); the first 'proper' 707 didn't make its first flight before December 1957, eig...Jump to post
I think Lockheed’s issue with this generation of jets stems from the tanker project. They actually WON the competition and the 717/KC-135 was only adopted as the interim tanker till the Lockheed model was ready. With hindsight, this must indeed have been one of the most decisive moments in aviation...Jump to post
Although the air intakes sat on top all four of the nacelles of the non-fan -120s and -320s as well as the -420s, there were still only three turbo compressors, nothing on engine 1. As you note, American had only two turbo compressors on (most of) its -123Bs and -323B/Cs. Most airlines stuck with t...Jump to post
Re: 707 and stability: Previous a.net discussions pointed me to a great interview series: The D. P. Davies Interview on testing the Comets, Boeing 707, Britannia & Brabazon. “The test pilots’ test pilot”, former CAA Chief Test Pilot D. P. Davies talks frankly about the civil aircraft that he pu...Jump to post
I have never seen a passenger 707 with less than three (...) Also this one -- think it's actually a 720B with an HF antenna? https://www.flickr.com/photos/xsacman/6781444504/in/album-72157630441866582/ The caption on the 2nd photo is correct: 707-123B. American's 720Bs did not have HF antennas. Thi...Jump to post
I like to bring up this photo when a 707(720) is compared to a 737NG. Fuselage length may be similar, but a 707-100 is like a 737-800 with 767 wings! That's a nice way to put it, and the picture clearly shows the difference. By comparison, the 707's wings are indeed massive. Yet, neither the 737 no...Jump to post
I have a fascinating old Dutch book about jet airliners that was published in 1961. The author quotes the AA chairman who says that AA take a long, hard look at both the 707 and the DC8, but that the earlier availability of the 707 was indeed decisive, after Boeing decided to widen the original cabi...Jump to post
76er wrote:I'd call BS on that.
That is simply great! Ok, I think the later two-tone blue cheatline livery would have looked even better but this is still wonderful! To me, the best looking 787 out there. I love the bold BOEING 787 DREAMLINER script on the front and the classic black dot on the radome too, which makes the nose loo...Jump to post
It looks like the starboard side is painted in a different colour: https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/15953_1531985371.jpg https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/71550_1531985704.jpg Personally, I think it's far from ugly, especially the darker blue on the starboard side, and it's good to see a new livery o...Jump to post
Or perhaps this livery?
Ah, thanks Polot. So the best is yet to come!
I guess it will be painted in these colours?
Any chance that the two-tone blue cheatline will be applied as well? That would be lovely.
It would be a bit disappointing if the plane were to remain all-white except for this nice classic blue tail.