And what happens if down the line Air India keeps on expanding or if Indigo launches US flights? I know neither one can compete with Delta for premium passengers but they can take a large chunk of economy class passengers. Will Delta complain like they did for MEB3? Nearly all AI fights are from DE...Jump to post
The 77L hasn't been very successful because its economics drop off around the range of 77E/77W (8000 mi/13000 km). Also, the 77E/W are still relatively economical at their extreme ranges. Routes like HKG-JFK are nowadays comfortably flown by the 77W, and HKG-JFK has for a while been one of the longe...Jump to post
Interesting that DL are choosing BOM over DEL. DEL is not an insignificant hub for 9W. I suppose they are trying to counter AI's DEL hub model in which nearly all flights go via DEL. I was initially thinking that DL would launch ATL-DEL on the A359 as their return to India. It is interesting to see ...Jump to post
Great, that gives pax from the Northern NJ market better access to EK's great service and connections to many destinations, especially to Africa, Asia and Middle East. While UA offers non-stops to India via EWR, I am quite sure EK would be a far better way to get to there vs. other 1-stops and UA f...Jump to post
As was already stated, this is not a new development. EK208 has been in and out for several years now, so no surprise that it is going away. I think that this flight poses the greatest threat to AI, and not any US3 or European carrier. UA's EWR-DEL/BOM flights are some of the best-performing ULH rou...Jump to post
BOM-SYD should be operable by A332. A332 flies on routes like FCO-EZE which are ~900km longer than BOM-SYD.
IIRC there was a short periond where QF operated the A332 on BOM-SYD nonstop, but the return SYD-BOM had a stop either in SIN or Darwin.
I don't know about AMS, but 777 for SYD will be too big and well A330 doesn't have the range. Taking the deliveries of the B787 would have made more sense. I definitely could see the A332 oprating BOM-SYD-BOM nonstop. A332 flies routes like FCO-EZE which is nearly 900km longer than BOM-SYD. However...Jump to post
Air India is having difficulty making LHR - EWR work. Cheapest fare is always on Air India. I am sure if Air India (better managed) improves their economy and business product, they can get a higher fare Better yet just cancel this LHR-EWR flight. When you are competing with UA/BA/VS with their pre...Jump to post
Also out of curiosity, does anybody see 9W launching BOM-FRA/PVG flights? BOM-FRA is underserved (BLR sees more capacity), and 9W would break the *A monopoly on Germany to India. Additionally, for many S. Indian destinations, FRA-BOM-XXX on 9W could be more direct than FRA-DEL-XXX on AI. BOM-PVG I a...Jump to post
AI is adding one more weekly flight on all these 3 routes, all will be upgraded by mid-May.
Surprising ATQ-BHX is being upgraded as well. Is this at the expense of another DEL-BHX, or would this be a new altogether flight? (I can't find info on this)
Correction......DL's JFK BOM non stop flight worked well right from day 1. I got this info from a ten year old thread which was about AI's BOM JFK non stop struggling. In 2007-08 DL,AI ran parallel JFK BOM non stops where the former had a PLF of 70% while the latter was struggling at 30%. It was DL...Jump to post
On another note, however, I wouldn't be surprised if UA jumps on flights like ORD-BOM, SFO-BLR, and EWR-BLR in the near future. ORD/SFO/EWR are strong enough hubs to have flights that bypass DEL. UA's EWR-BOM overflies DEL (*A hub) but still does well since EWR very efficiently funnels traffic to In...Jump to post
Now tell me, which well run airline chooses to open an ultra long haul route with less than 50 likely passengers each way every day? Or is my math wrong? Get this, when American Airlines started DFW-HKG non-stop 4 years ago, the PDEW itself was slightly less than 50. By your own calculation the lik...Jump to post
I think STV to DXB/DOH/AUH. Surat is the Business capital of Gujarat, and several Gujaratis have ties and/or relatives in Europe and North America. Keep in mind that Ahmedabad is 4.5 hrs drive, so the addtion of such flights would be welcome to Southern Gujarat. EY/QR could start A320 flights from A...Jump to post
Thanks for the information Irehdna. What is the rationale for moving one A343 to one of the JFK rotations? Is this particular flight the less desirable in terms of schedule? Is this flight the one with less premium demand? Is this flight statistically chosen more by connecting passengers than O&...Jump to post
LH has just announced several changes to its long haul routes, per: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/277954/lufthansa-w18-long-haul-changes-as-of-03apr18/ Some interesting changes: FRA-BKK back up to A380 for W18 FRA-IAH B748 will replace A380. (Surprised they are not using A346). F...Jump to post
Per the principle and criterion of this thread as explained in #Post 44, I did some digging, and have culled out a preliminary list of the world's airports that are nearly close to claiming the distinction with a mere flight away, as shown in the map below. Airports with one flight away to join the...Jump to post
thewizbizman wrote:Question, what is ATL missing?
This map only shows a couple destinations, but it illustrates a point of the connectivity potential at SIN.
But GRU is not within range. It is too close to the antipode. If SQ is going to have another destination with the A359ULR, it's going to be one that actually benefits from a non-stop service and a heavy J demand, so it's going to be a destination they might already serve. They could just as well do...Jump to post
Minds can think alike! YYZ is the airport tor Canada’s major economic capital and one doesn’t need a ULR for LAX. It’s the only destination really making sense that is way beyond the range of a regular A359, although IAH is possible too. Yeah I was also intrigued if the standard A359 could make SIN...Jump to post
I'm thinking ORD and YYZ in addition to JFK/LAX. I also think SQ should consider using the standard A359 for a SIN-YVR service.
I am interested to see if CA can sustain 4 daily nonstops to SIN (2 from SFO, 2 from LAX). It seems like a lot of capacity.
Today, Air India has started its 9x weekly DEL-SFO flights. AI183 is about 45min away from SFO. 2 years ago I would have never thought that there would be more nonstop flights from India to SFO than India to JFK, especially considering that back in the day, AI's only US nonstop was DEL-JFK (on top o...Jump to post
LY LAX-TLV NOV 0.7>0.5
Out of curiosity, does anybody remember flight routes that were operated more than 1x daily with the 77L? I do know that AI DEL-SFO went from daily to 9 weekly starting today (AI183 is already in the air), making it one of the first few 77L routes to be served more than 1x daily. IIRC DXB-LAX was al...Jump to post
Why to always depend on BOM. Navi Mumbai airport can be a new long haul hub for 9W. The 10 789s for long hauls and 75 narrow bodies for domestic will be enough in addition to 75 737 max for replacement of fleet. 9W has just delayed their delivery but not cancelled the 789s. And currently they are a...Jump to post
O&D and 2 way passenger numbers for 2017. (Doesn't include transit pax) Can you clarify what this means? For example, do the numbers for DXB only include BLR-DXB and DXB-BLR passengers? Or do they include BLR-XXX-DXB and DXB-XXX-BLR passengers? If they include the latter, then the number seems ...Jump to post
Here's my opinion: Most likely: SIN-LAX SIN-EWR and/or SIN-JFK Possible: SIN-ORD SIN-YYZ Less likely, but still somewhat possible: SIN-SEA SIN-YVR SIN-IAH I'm thinking SIN-LAX is the only sure bet right now. For the east coast we will have to see whether it is SIN-JFK or SIN-EWR. What I think could...Jump to post
I read somewhere that raising the A380 floor by 5cm allows 11-abreast at standard seat width (45cm). Definitely sounds plausible that EK would pursue this.Jump to post
Emirates has been restoring capacity. IIRC MCO is also going back to daily soon.Jump to post
The fact that AI will operate more capacity on DEL-SFO than BOM-LHR serves as a testament to the airline's focuses these days. Personally I can't complain as it does make sense to focus on one hub, but it is nonetheless interesting to have seen BOM slowly lose its AI hub status to 9W and internation...Jump to post
planemanofnz wrote:IMO, it is more likely that AI will fly directly from DEL to AKL, by-passing SYD.
Direct services from Australia to India are of limited value because typically pax between the 2 are travelling to a number of cities in each country. That is why the scissor hub operation by both QF/9W and SQ in SIN works so well. Flights from MEL/SYD/PER/BNE land into SIN with convenient connecti...Jump to post
Though to be fair, I actually think AI183/184 are much better timed than 173/174. The only real advantage of AI173 vs AI183 is that it arrives at SFO in the morning. But this entails a 4:30am departure from DEL. I think many will laud the idea of landing in India at sunrise, something even most conn...Jump to post
Air India is in the booking engine. AI183 = DEL (18:00) to SFO (20:30) AI184 = SFO (01:00) to DEL (06:00+2) Tuesday and Friday will have DEL-SFO double-daily. IIRC this would be the first India-US nonstop flight that doesn't fly through the night (AC DEL-YVR is a similar daytime flight). That return...Jump to post
Yes it is in the booking engine now.
AI183 = DEL (18:00) to SFO (20:30)
AI184 = SFO (01:00) to DEL (06:00+2)
Tuesday and Friday will have DEL-SFO double-daily. IIRC this would be the first India-US nonstop flight that doesn't fly through the night (AC DEL-YVR is a similar daytime flight).
Latest rumor is that AI is considering 9/wk DEL-SFO. Looks like BOM-SFO plans have (predictably) dropped. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/twice-daily-nonstops-air-india-looks-at-sfo-on-weekends-and-to-australia-thrice-a-week/articleshow/62962557.cms Still surprised there ...Jump to post
I certainly think 9W could enter SkyTeam when recruiting restarts. BOM is already starting to become somewhat of a ST hub with KE, KQ, AF, KL flights, not to mention ties with 9W which has its main hub there. There are also talks about MU starting a BOM-PVG flight, which IMO needed a nonstop flight ...Jump to post
I'm thinking ORD and JFK on the ULR and probably trying YVR and LAX with the standard A359. I am interested to see if the standard A359 can operate SIN-LAX nonstop without many restrictions, as UA operates the route with the (likely denser) B789.Jump to post
The B747-400ER was one of Boeing's first ULH-capable planes with a decent capacity. Unfortunately, only QF ordered the passenger version of the plane. I think much of this is due to the fact that it was launched alongside the very successful B77E, which had a similar range. Additionally, the A346 an...Jump to post
killswitch13 wrote:BOM-SFO?? Another bluff I feel. They were supposed to start NBO and FRA last july as per their twitter handle.
Also, I highly doubt a 77W can fly DEL-LAX nonstop. If a 77W could fly DEL-LAX/SFO, then it would have made much more sense for AI to make SFO 4x 77W rather than 6x 77L. I have read stories that even the JFK/EWR flights have weight restrictions sometimes and have to occasionally unload luggage or ta...Jump to post
Why BOM-SFO? I think that would likely just become BOM-DEL-SFO. IMO while BLR-SFO is not likely either, it would make more sense than a flight from BOM.Jump to post