DL inaugural flights tomorrow: HNL-HND JFK-EZE LAX-AKL Resuming tomorrow: MCO-AMS Resuming/starting later this week: LAX-PPT 10 weekly LAX-SYD (up from daily) Daily SEA-PVG (up from 2 weekly) 3 weekly DTW-PVG (up from 2 weekly) 2nd daily ATL-BOG Permanently suspended: ATL-DUS RDU-CDG (transferred t...
Jump to postI would imagine SCL-LHR is more likely than FRA. There should be more demand than just a 3/wk BA flight, no? Ooc, do LA and VS have any agreements?
Jump to postDetroit313 wrote:American was officially the No1 airline in RDU by market share in 2022 too.
https://simpleflying.com/raleigh-durham ... ines-2022/
Is B6 interlining with AA as part of the NEA? I always felt a single daily 77E was not enough for AA/OW on the JFK-CDG route.
Jump to postWith only 4 787s possibly being delivered this year, and who knows how many next year. Especially with the continuous delivery freezes, is AA not even thinking of maybe getting any second hand good 777s? Would pilot staffing issues really be an issue at the 777 level? It’s not like they plan on ret...
Jump to postI even think IB AEP-MAD is very doable on an A359. Though I feel this would already be a route without government regulations favoring Aerolineas.
Though given B6 is looking at flying the XLR out of FLL, maybe AEP’s first long haul route is AEP-FLL. Not sure if an XLR can do AEP-JFK nonstop.
Is there some room for AR to expand internationally, mainly in Europe? In the past AR had an extensive network to Europe and, since 2001, the network is only to MAD, BCN and FCO - despite a briefly time when they had MD-83 to LGW and CDG from MAD. FRA, AMS, LHR and CDG have just a single carrier. M...
Jump to postWhy insane? From a customer point of view, this is great! Most of that traffic is leisure. This allows you to enjoy at least some of your last day in Athens or connect comfortably from the islands, and still arrive in NYC at a reasonable time. It is insane in terms of aircraft utilisation (long hou...
Jump to postBoth flights are now bookable on DL's website. Here is the schedule to GIG (per the booking website; couldn't find it posted anywhere else): DL245 JFK2030 – 0820+1GIG 763 D DL244 GIG1020 – 1830JFK 763 D Could be a mistake on their website, but for the time being, looks like the northbound GIG-JFK wi...
Jump to postDL is also adding nonstop JFK-GIG effective 12/16/2023 https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-new-york-south-america-routes/ Interesting that it will only run for two months (similar to ATL-GIG). Also according to the same article, DL has apparently confirmed that JFK-EZE will also be seasonal flights...
Jump to postI wonder if AR will drop JFK-EZE as a consequence of DL starting its own service back up. Time will tell, presumably. The AR schedules, notably the JFK-EZE are not competitive. It will be interesting to see if DL is able to generate sufficient sales originating in Argentina and Latin America for th...
Jump to postAA cancels LGA-NAS eff. 1APR23. https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230131-aaam Is this another route for B6? This was already announced last Dec as part of the latest round of expansion. AA’s was 1x weekly service, will be replaced with 1x daily service by B6. https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2022...
Jump to postThe struggle between PHL and JFK is really getting real and you can’t just simply say that PHL serves mainly leisure and JFK more business routes. The dynamics are all over the place and the latest move with Athens illustrates that even more. For example, Venice and Athens are pretty similar routes...
Jump to postI am recognizing a pattern here where DL get stronger on a non- intl hub route, AA dials down capacity. -With TLV, DL moved up the start date of ATL route. AA then pulled out of MIA-TLV. -With ATH, DL extended the seasons on ATL and BOS, upguaged to an ex-LATAM A350 on ATL, added a 4th weekly frequ...
Jump to postNot sure NJ benefits from bordering Philadelphia in any way. While most of Northern NJ is very nice, Southern NJ cities/suburbs are shitholes. Some of the worst in the country. Marlton, Medford and Cherry Hill are nice. Yeah for the old people not the younger generation. There is no new housing in ...
Jump to postEvery week there's an "upcoming announcement" at SCL at this point.... Are they going to fly JFK-SCL maybe? First announcement I have seen on SCL in a while. DL is studying JFK-EZE so wouldn’t but surprised if JFK-SCL as well. Another possibility is that ATL-SCL moves to the true A359 wit...
Jump to postUA is weaker in deep South America overall but have the two best partners in Latin America (Copa and Avianca) to make up for those shortcomings. IAH serves the markets well, though SCL is already a smaller/tougher market as is and UA has a pretty token presence there. EZE is just established and of...
Jump to postStrange to suspend ORD-DEL all the way to end of October if it’s a wind/restricted airspace issue. Sad they aren’t able to make this one work year round. The market is there. Yeah winds are generally the strongest in the northern winter; if anything they would have an easier time operating DEL-ORD ...
Jump to postWhy is that? What changed to put AA in a stronger competitive position on this route? Delta has Aerolineas Argentinas in SkyTeam, which it did not when it last tried this market from JFK and failed. WIth that, it has feed, on the EZE end, to a point, and transfers via AEP. Delta's success will come...
Jump to postWonder if Aerolineas Argentinas will pull out of JFK now that a fellow Sky member will be doing the route. Also, curious thing: to us, AA is American. To Argentines, AA is American's competitor on the route, Aerolineas. I think it is very likely Aerolineas pulls out of JFK when DL starts. The south...
Jump to postHaven’t seen this hit ANET yet… Delta looks to return to EZE from JFK, December 2023. Daily 767-400ER service. Great news and makes sense. Let’s see what transpires… < https://www.aviacionline.com/2023/01/delta-air-lines-files-request-to-operate-flights-between-new-york-and-buenos-aires/> Yes I rea...
Jump to postmanny wrote:SO any idea how Air India is doing on the new nonstop routes with the ex-Delta 772LR's ?
AKL is a crazy hole for DL. Got any data on that? I do. HKG was a Top 15 n/s U.S market in 2019 #14, actually, after Delta dropped n/s service SEA-HKG in 2018. AKL didn't even make the top 40, so fewer than 1.8 million passenger compared to HKG's 3.5 million. See Table 7 from the U.S. DOT quarterly...
Jump to postThanks for the correction. That was the second time they canceled. I was thinking of the first time in 2013, before it resumed again in 2017..only to cancel again in 2019 due to low yields. EZE-NYC is not a big business market. A lions share of US business traffic to/from Argentina is from Miami, h...
Jump to postMaybe I'm not high falutin enough, but to go from Newark to Philly, just take a couple commuter trains - like 20 bucks. NO security NO arriving early Probably better legroom One small break in Trenton to stretch and change trains. Yeah EWR-PHL is a very odd route IMHO. EWR is literally a 60 minute ...
Jump to postI really am hoping for: ORD-BOG or LIM ORD-BCN ORD-ATH but until the Global Terminal (T2) is built at ORD, I don't see UA having much room to add much of anything. Hopefully we will at least resume all of the pre-COVID routes. ORD-ATH is an AA territory...Is there room for a 2nd player? NYC-ATH has...
Jump to postYear-round ORD-BOG and seasonal ORD-EZE. If ORD-GRU has worked so long don’t know why neither of these two could at least seasonally. Seasonal EWR-GIG. Same reason as above and could be a cool leisure/VFR flight. I don’t see anything to Europe, it looks like routes that will start ~Nov/Dec. Wait......
Jump to postYear-round ORD-BOG and seasonal ORD-EZE. If ORD-GRU has worked so long don’t know why neither of these two could at least seasonally.
Seasonal EWR-GIG. Same reason as above and could be a cool leisure/VFR flight.
I don’t see anything to Europe, it looks like routes that will start ~Nov/Dec.
Re LAX: it will be a few years until we will see again flights between EZE and GRU to deep SA. The pandemic killed the AA nonstops to both cities. I hope this route returns soon. Is EZE-JFK really this much bigger than EZE-LAX? I would think they both would be similar. LAX would have a good mix of ...
Jump to postOver the past few years they moved some flights to PHL. Now with more slots available and B6 partnership they are shifting back capacity to JFK.
Jump to postgdg9 wrote:Showing Sept 1 start in OAG with 6x weekly?
As many others stated, the timing is horrible. AA gets the bulk of high yield traffic on this route; is it really worth it for AR to fly this now? Much of the low yield traffic might prefer flying via PTY/BOG if the D/A times work out better. I was thinking if AR came back to JFK it would be a seaso...
Jump to postI'm also curious if DL launching a northern winter seasonal JFK-GIG/EZE would be a good idea, to reposition aircraft used on European seasonal flights. From what I understand northern winter is high season to these cities in terms of tourism. Iirc JFK-GIG seasonal on DL was a thing not too long ago.
Jump to postIndian expats are from everywhere in India. JFK-DEL at 3x weekly is going to have to battle all that EK/QR connection traffic to rest of India once COVID is over in that part of the world. India is more than the few cities the ME3 serve. If flying to Pune or Surat, for example, much easier to have ...
Jump to postNo one is flying to India on business now unless absolutely necessary and that qualifier is few and far between. AA is supposed to offer it daily during peak times, but I am not sure they will be able to make it work. The situation both here in the US and in India will improve with time but you don...
Jump to postand have no aircraft to effectively fly it anymore. :roll: A 280tonne A359 can fly JFK-BOM with no difficulty. They cannot do the reverse without heavy payload restrictions, BOM has a slightly shorter runway so aircrafts have to take weight restrictions; for ULH flights (see United's many issues wi...
Jump to post(I think UA even ordered a subfleet in 2008-2010 to do the India and HKG routes. Iirc it was routed EWR-HKG-EWR-BOM-EWR.) That literally never happened; in no small part due to the fact that UA had no reason to do anything for EWR back in 2008...... My bad, meant CO. There are 6 PM-CO 77Es delivere...
Jump to postI wish AA would start JFK-BOM/BLR competing with UA/DL. Due to limited non-stop competition UA's EWR-BOM is on a high J 77W instead of the 789. I guess AA didn't want to compete with DL on JFK-BOM. DL doesnt fly JFK BOM anymore, they quit the route in 2020 due to covid, got rid of the 777lr that wa...
Jump to postThe reason UA took the 77E off EWR-India-EWR routes was because the route was weight restricted on both legs. With a full passenger cabin you are looking at 450-500 bags easily on a 77E of which 60-100 will be heavy bags. With loads like that you will not be able to carry much if any cargo. And if ...
Jump to postGood to get OW nonstop NYC to India. Only curious if the 77E will be restricted JFK bound. Surprised the flight is not on the 789. Iirc RR 77E have a notably shorter range than GE 77E (which UA uses for its DEL flight). LY's LAX flight (similar distance to DEL-JFK) pushed the limits of the RR 77E. N...
Jump to postI can also personally attest to an influx of NYC folks to the Jersey shore. Never in the 30 years I have summered there have I seen the amount of NY license plates as I had during 2020. The real estate market was on fire down there (and still is) with tons of NY folks snatching properties up. Avalo...
Jump to postPHL is the 5th largest metro area in the US... Fairly recently (within last five years or so), Philly was #6, but it now slipped all the way down to #8... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas PHL was the fifth most populous city for a long long time. Phoenix continue...
Jump to postI was always curious about why AA didn't run any South America flights from PHL. PHL isn't that poorly situated for folks coming from New England or the Great Lakes for flights southeast bound. I do know Miami immigration at 6AM is a nightmare. Noteworthy is that AA will be restarting three more dee...
Jump to postIt appears that the AA EZE flights are cancelled the next few days. Is this due to Covid? Correct, at the request of the government and in effect since last Monday, airlines have to reduce frequencies further to limit the number of travelers arriving in the country. I believe MIA is down to 5/week,...
Jump to postIm a bit surpised with the new JFK-SCL, considering current low demand on long haul international markets. On the other hand I also see they are restarting DFW-SCL end of march, and LA adding a 2nd daily frecuency on SCL-MIA from april (more capacity than pre-covid months). Maybe this extra capacit...
Jump to postI’m surprised MEX and ICN were cut. Major global cities and ST hubs. From what I understand, AZ loads at ICN were hovering around the low-to-mid 70s(%) off-peak and low 80s(%) during peak season, and the flight was never daily. Not exactly a stellar performer. Although traffic between Korea and Ita...
Jump to postAlso any chance hypothetically A321XLR will allow MIA/ORD/JFK-LIN nonstop?
Jump to postI’m surprised MEX and ICN were cut. Major global cities and ST hubs.
Jump to postMexico is bigger and much closer where a 737 or A320 can do all flights so frequency is the key, tourism is huge to Cancun. To Brazil, the main two cities are in the Southeast of the country requiring long haul widebody planes so only routes from hubs or big cities work and most flights are overnig...
Jump to postAmchi757300, maybe on the A350 which has more range than the 789. Someone on the UA thread says that while UA would love to fly SFO-BOM, the 789 is loaded with contigency fuel so the flight doesn't divert to Iran, Afghanistan, etc. With that you run out of range of the 789. Flights to China, South ...
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