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by globetrotter94
Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

Hopefully Do&Co will be retained as I have a suspicion introduction of SATS would lead to a sharp drop in food quality... As a regular passenger of Singapore Airlines flights, I think SATS does wonders as the inflight food is always great in all travel classes. I agree that Do&Co has achiev...

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

I agree with "bahadir" on this one. There is no way to keep up with serving a full single aisle plane during a 55 min flight. (20 min level flight). I spend more time getting to the airport from home, I spend more time at the airport terminal. On my recent flights, I eat at the TK lounge ...

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

All these flights had the sandwich and full drink service. My question is : WHY??? The flights are only 20 minutes or so if you consider the level flights. Quoting ex-TK CEO Sayin Temel Kotil: "Food is the way we show our passengers how much we love them." And also why I like TK back! Wou...

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: Vistara ordering 6 789 and 13 A320series + options for each type
Replies: 52
Views: 10740

Re: Vistara reported to have ordered 6 787s

Tatas have no experience in civil aviation Didn't TATA found Air India back in 1932? (As Tata Airlines, subsequently becoming Air India in 1946). JRD Tata was Chairman until 1977. Yes, but that is decades ago. Does not mean that the Tata group, as it is currently manifested, has any organizational ...

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

All these flights had the sandwich and full drink service. My question is : WHY??? The flights are only 20 minutes or so if you consider the level flights. Quoting ex-TK CEO Sayin Temel Kotil: "Food is the way we show our passengers how much we love them." And also why I like TK back! Wou...

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Orders 60 Airbus A220-300
Replies: 354
Views: 46842

Re: JetBlue Orders 60 Airbus A220-300

I thought they were buying E2s...

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

Does TK earn money in Lira? Or foreign currency? I would imagine that at least for bookings billed in, e.g. New York, they would be earning USD.

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)
Replies: 657
Views: 36422

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Hope that this has not been brought up elsewhere yet. AI just found a way to shave off another hour from DEL to SFO by flying over far northern Russia (near Arctic Ocean), via Central Asia (and over Alaska on the other side). TOI report is here: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-bus...

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

Here are the main planned retirements by 2023 per investor update: A330-200 - 12 A330-300 - 8 777-300ER - 3 (Kenya Airways birds) 737-800 - 30 A320 - 12 A321 - 4 Many of these are leases, so there is always flexibility to adjust if market demand requires. Deliveries by 2023: A359-900 - 25 B787-9 - ...

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

With all those new planes coming in, are there any plans to phase out some current aircraft--i.e. are some of the current aircraft actually meant to be replacements? I am sure someone else can have a more detailed answer, but YES. -Probably 4 x 340s will go. -Probably a dozen 320s and 738 will also...

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by globetrotter94
Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

-AFAIK, TK has two banks at IST. -About destinations/frequencies: In the next five years TK will add 25 x 789s, 25 x 359s and 92 321NEOs, 75 x 737MAXs. Like LAXintl says, I expect increase in frequencies with some new destinations, with all this new capacity. TK already has few LH destinations in t...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

As for the 340's when will they reach their cycle limit I wonder, and I truly believe 1 should be kept for a museum as its the airplane that changed TK as we know it. It's funny... I thought all four remaining A340s had been scrapped few years back, but on my last trip with TK, imagine my surprise ...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)
Replies: 657
Views: 36422

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

AI building at Nariman point, Mumbai will fetch lesser amount than it would have a decade ago. https://www.livemint.com/Companies/ht1zRGhpalQedtAHI9bMuN/Mumbai-property-rates-may-weigh-on-Air-India-building-sale.html The most valuable asset of the airline losing its own value. First of all, given r...

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by globetrotter94
Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hub in Calcutta connecting two most populous countries and 2.6b people?
Replies: 24
Views: 3520

Re: Hub in Calcutta connecting two most populous countries and 2.6b people?

DL747400 wrote:
The OP's suggestion of a CCU hub is intriguing. Could this be an opportunity for 9W?


9W tends to stay away from CCU as much as it possibly can. Not even a presence on the CCU-BKK route that a lot of other airlines do. So... not likely. 6E is probably the most likely candidate for such a hub.

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by globetrotter94
Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hub in Calcutta connecting two most populous countries and 2.6b people?
Replies: 24
Views: 3520

Re: Hub in Calcutta connecting two most populous countries and 2.6b people?

Wouldn't KMG with its multiple existing Indian flight be a more established choice? http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=kmg-hkg,kmg-pek,kmg-pvg,kmg-icn,kmg-can,kmg-tpe,kmg-XIY,kmg-nrt/ctu/SZX/CKG/WUH/SHE/VVO/ULN/INC/XNN/KWE/HGH/XMN/CSX/KHH/FNJ/TAO/FOC/NNG/TSN/HRB/KHV/TNA/KIX/PUS/TYN/HET/CGO/hak/syx/han/mnl/...

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hub in Calcutta connecting two most populous countries and 2.6b people?
Replies: 24
Views: 3520

Re: Hub in Calcutta connecting two most populous countries and 2.6b people?

There are currently only 5 daily flights between India and China, the world's first and second most populous countries. Both economies are growing rapidly, with an increasing middle class. No real hub is currently located between the two countries. Bangkok, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur require a deto...

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hub in Calcutta connecting two most populous countries and 2.6b people?
Replies: 24
Views: 3520

Re: Hub in Calcutta connecting two most populous countries and 2.6b people?

In addition to what others have said, I'd argue that CCU doesn't have much business traffic compared to other cities. The city that really deserves links to China and that can support it, but doesn't have it right now, is Bengaluru (BLR); the only flight to China from BLR is Cathay Dragon to HKG. I...

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation July 2018
Replies: 93
Views: 8238

Re: Turkish Aviation July 2018

Turkish Airlines eyes Asia, Americas for New Airport growth In an interview with Business Travel News last month, Eksi said that, free from the growth constraints of the current Istanbul Atatürk Airport, Turkish Airlines would target India primarily followed by China, Canada, and South America. &qu...

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)
Replies: 657
Views: 36422

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Mallaya's A319CJ finally sold for about $5 million. Purchased by an American charter company. This also tells about the increasing global demand for private jets https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/private-manufacture-sale-of-oxytocin-banned/articleshow/64799465.cms Seems low... is $...

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)
Replies: 657
Views: 36422

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Mallaya's A319CJ finally sold for about $5 million. Purchased by an American charter company. This also tells about the increasing global demand for private jets https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/private-manufacture-sale-of-oxytocin-banned/articleshow/64799465.cms Seems low... is $...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 29, 2018 9:09 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Cities that have multiple airports unnecessarily
Replies: 65
Views: 4445

Re: Cities that have multiple airports unnecessarily

Greater Osaka Area (Japan). Includes Osaka-Kansai Intl (KIX), Osaka-Itami (ITM), and Kobe (UKB). Osaka-Kansai was supposed to be built where Kobe Airport is now, but the locals complained, so they found a new spot for it. But the original site ended up becoming an airport anyway--and a pointless on...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:56 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Cities that have multiple airports unnecessarily
Replies: 65
Views: 4445

Re: Cities that have multiple airports unnecessarily

Greater Osaka Area (Japan). Includes Osaka-Kansai Intl (KIX), Osaka-Itami (ITM), and Kobe (UKB). Osaka-Kansai was supposed to be built where Kobe Airport is now, but the locals complained, so they found a new spot for it. But the original site ended up becoming an airport anyway--and a pointless one...

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by globetrotter94
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways orders 75 Boeing 737 Max - yes again and again. Total now 225 MAX on order.
Replies: 79
Views: 11104

Re: Jet Airways orders 75 Boeing 737 Max - yes again and again. Total now 225 MAX on order.

Out of 225, how many will actually end up flying in 9W colors and how many will be rented out to TG and TK this time? :D

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by globetrotter94
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Aviation June 2018
Replies: 95
Views: 9204

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2018

TK seeking loans for development of facilities at new IST: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-airlines-in-talks-to-finance-facilities-at-new-istanbul-airport-sources-133841 Just to confirm, no Turkish Technic hangars have yet come up at the new IST, right? So, MRO will still carry on at Atatur...

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:53 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Hitting it out of the park again, British Airways! Superb food ARN-LHR in Club Europe
Replies: 10
Views: 4900

Re: Hitting it out of the park again, British Airways! Superb food ARN-LHR in Club Europe

For all the pictures that go with this report, please click here . I never really expect food on what are essentially domestic flights to be much good. When it comes to business class, things are usually a little bit better but even then it can be a world of bland small portions. On the longer Euro...

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)
Replies: 657
Views: 36422

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Indians who are travelling to Israel, don't they have a problem entering Arab countries with an Israeli stamp? I have never been, personally, but I have heard there are ways around this. For example, Israeli immigration actually stamps a separate piece of paper, and then staples it to the passport ...

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)
Replies: 657
Views: 36422

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

My Indian friends, didn't IC have sarees like these? Or, was it green? Saludos, Alex Not sure, but my quick search suggests so. In this old ad from IC, the saree is a maroon-ish color: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxghv31TqAM I also found an image of IC crew on Google Images where the saree is b...

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)
Replies: 657
Views: 36422

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

Any data to show that this service appeals to Israelis more than Indians Indians who are travelling to Israel, don't they have a problem entering Arab countries with an Israeli stamp? I have never been, personally, but I have heard there are ways around this. For example, Israeli immigration actual...

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by globetrotter94
Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First flight in 7 decades overflies Saudi Arabia to Israel
Replies: 92
Views: 16102

Re: First flight in 7 decades overflies Saudi Arabia to Israel

And it looks like AI's flight has punched open the proverbial stable doors. Now SQ is also reported to be eyeing flights to Israel overflying Saudi: https://www.nasdaq.com/article/israel-says-singapore-airlines-eyes-tel-aviv-flights-over-saudi-20180322-00958 R It would be perfect for Scoot , all th...

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by globetrotter94
Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)
Replies: 657
Views: 36422

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

anshabhi wrote:
At DEL, it has never taken more than 20 minutes from Check In to Security (including immigration) for me ever. On landing, when I am at the end of Y cabins, immigration could take upto 30 mins, but in general its quite good.


Yeah, but that's DEL. BOM immigration is a whole different story.

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by globetrotter94
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Istanbul New Airport, Latest Pictures
Replies: 129
Views: 42024

Re: Istanbul New Airport, Latest Pictures

-By not releasing the name of the new airport until the last minute, the new airport at Istanbul will be known as the "New Airport", just like the bridges on the Bosphorus are known as the 1st bridge, the 2nd bridge and the 3rd bridge; by Turks :) Under that logic, shouldn't it be called ...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)
Replies: 657
Views: 36422

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - 2018 (2)

New AI uniforms are horrible, hope crew is not chased by dogs and bulls in India. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgS0ftWW4AA7FQu.jpg:large I actually think they're an improvement over the current offering. The current color of female cabin crew uniform (that bright yellow/orange) is way too garish.

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

And speaking of new uniforms, Minister of Civil Aviation Suresh Prabhu tweeted earlier today from the event announcing AI's new Maharaja--designs of the new uniforms can be seen in a few pictures. Seems like red/blue sarees for female cabin crew and black suits for male cabin crew. Really think this...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

[ Regardless, after the sale or whatever, AI needs to dump everything and start over. Too much baggage associated with the current iteration of the airline. As I have mentioned before, in the short- to mid- term, there is probably not going to be a sale. The Government of India will be providing fu...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

AI current livery is the worst of its history, overworked and unprofessional, bearable on the 787 only, remove the silly flag and reduce size of PIA and it could have come out of a studio that did some unusual looks like SriLankan, Azores Airlines, Fiji Airways etc. overall PIA has always had bette...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

AI current livery is the worst of its history, overworked and unprofessional, bearable on the 787 only, remove the silly flag and reduce size of PIA and it could have come out of a studio that did some unusual looks like SriLankan, Azores Airlines, Fiji Airways etc. overall PIA has always had bette...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TK after new Istanbul airport
Replies: 35
Views: 5079

Re: TK after new Istanbul airport

Besides IST, what do you guys think will happen to TK at SAW? Do they still need a presence at SAW with the Istanbul Grand ready? Yes definitely--at least for domestic ops. This airport seems to be quite far for those on the Asian side of Istanbul, for whom SAW is much more convenient. FYI, SAW is ...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Istanbul New Airport, Latest Pictures
Replies: 129
Views: 42024

Re: Istanbul New Airport, Latest Pictures

Lot of people review the current IST negatively, calling it crowded, chaotic, long lines, etc... which is true, but it has a certain strong "character" about it. Naming the most negative points about the airport and calling it "character" is quite bold. It's like saying waiting ...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Istanbul New Airport, Latest Pictures
Replies: 129
Views: 42024

Re: Istanbul New Airport, Latest Pictures

I’m sad. I really liked the old IST. It was knackered in some areas, but great atmosphere in the international concourse. A true global crossroads. 100% agree. Lot of people review the current IST negatively, calling it crowded, chaotic, long lines, etc... which is true, but it has a certain strong...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

And, although this thread has gotten 11 pages of responses so far, the question in the title of "What next" is quite easily answered. Regardless what all the aviation consultancies et al. claim and say, it is clear that AI is not going anywhere in the short- to medium-term. GOI is stepping...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

AI is reverse. It used to be a Bombay based airline. It got shifted to Delhi so it could be staffed with politically connected and the political class got freebies at the cost of the tax payer. I think you are dreaming up conspiracies and nepotism where there are none. The shift from BOM to DEL cam...

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by globetrotter94
Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

Antarius wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
AI is getting A380s?!? :duck:


Yup. To compete with this

Image


AI would never stoop to have a livery as horrendous as THAT on any of their planes. Ever.

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by globetrotter94
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

Does this also mean that AI is getting rid of First Class? If so, that would be a good move. First Class is largely a waste of space on the plane these days, as more airlines are opting for a Business-Premium Economy-Economy configuration.

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by globetrotter94
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

Yes that's good news! One thing their long haul fleet needs is WiFi connectivity and an upgrade to their IFE in their economy class! Air India to introduce a revamped Business / First Class called the Maharaja Class! Fantastic news! Hopefully, at the very least, this means that the click Business C...

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by globetrotter94
Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines
Replies: 96
Views: 15127

Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

In terms of Australia, I wonder if Ethiopian could become a competitive contender on the Kangaroo Route. According to Great Circle Mapper, LHR-ADD-SYD, at 11,500mi is only 1,000mi more than the great circle route between LHR and SYD. Why would it want to? Very competitive routes (UK-Australia) and ...

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by globetrotter94
Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 539
Views: 40272

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

ronitkadam777 wrote:
Air India to introduce a revamped Business / First Class called the Maharaja Class!


Fantastic news! Hopefully, at the very least, this means that the click Business Class seats that were installed on the latest 77Ws will be rolled out to the remaining 77Ws.

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by globetrotter94
Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines
Replies: 96
Views: 15127

Re: Growth and future of Ethiopian airlines

In terms of Australia, I wonder if Ethiopian could become a competitive contender on the Kangaroo Route. According to Great Circle Mapper, LHR-ADD-SYD, at 11,500mi is only 1,000mi more than the great circle route between LHR and SYD.

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:25 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Countries and regions where the airport of the largest city is not the busiest
Replies: 54
Views: 2982

Re: Countries and regions where the airport of the largest city is not the busiest

The answer to this question mostly comes down to how you limit a "city". Seoul-Incheon is technically in Incheon, which is a city in its own right, while the older Seoul-Gimpo, IIRC, is in Seoul proper.

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by globetrotter94
Tue Jun 19, 2018 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Problem With United FAs. Even I'm Fuming At This!
Replies: 240
Views: 65347

Re: THE Problem With United FAs. Even I'm Fuming At This!

In a recent UA flight I took (HNL-ORD), the welcome announcement ended with, "If you require any assistance, please feel free to approach our crew of dedicated safety professionals." Just sounded so odd.

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