Maybe eventually. I think the only change with the widebodies at first will be that they'll do some US mainland turns between Hawaii flights to improve utilization. International is another whole nut to crack, beyond 2 mergers in a decade. It'll be interesting to see what mainland wb routes they co...
Jump to postI think this one has a better chance of clearing the DOJ because Hawaiian isn't going away.... Yes it is. There will be no more HA. The DOJ doesn't care about the paint on the side of the plane, the uniforms the crew's wear, or what types of drinks are available. You wanna explain that? Alaska said...
Jump to postrj777 wrote:I think this one has a better chance of clearing the DOJ because Hawaiian isn't going away....
b777900 wrote:Will the joint venture affect Hawaiian receiving the new 789's?
I’m flying from DFW to MXP, and the best options were DFW-JFK-MXP, and then MXP-MAD-DFW. I was shocked to see the ORD flights don’t connect to the JFK-Europe flights. If you have to connect you might as well fly to LIN. If your destination is in the city, the only reason to fly to MXP is to avoid a...
Jump to postAs a reminder, the economics for Delta are not just about the flight from an Idaho market to SLC, it's about the revenue that passenger brings on their continuing flight. For Delta, if they don't get that passenger connecting in SLC, they potentially have lost a revenue opportunity to a competitor....
Jump to postNothing west of an arc from Dallas, Kansas City to Fargo is Middle America*. Good luck flying east of those places to HNL with a full MAX in winter. * West of that to the Rockies is the Great Plains. Alaska is currently planning on soon having much longer range planes. You mean the 12 787s HA order...
Jump to postAlaska flies to a good dozen more middle America cities than JetBlue does. I’d say that makes them better known than just on the coasts. And I’d be willing to bet that some of them will soon have new non stop service to HNL. Nothing west of an arc from Dallas, Kansas City to Fargo is Middle America...
Jump to postAlaska are not still a niche regional carrier? There are wide swaths of the Americas where their brand is completely unknown. I promise you if you say “Alaska Airlines” in, like, the 40 states that make up the middle of the country and the south, everyone pictures a DC-3 on skis flying the bush som...
Jump to postI think, personally if they do get to appeal, that should be the argument. To say that one person is harmed means a deal has to be blocked is Ludacris. Looking at HA/AS, by that notion, then, the government needs to block that as well. Last I looked, those two combined carriers will control the mar...
Jump to postThis is so ridiculous. Y’all do not give one hoot about NK employees, customers or anything else NK-related. You are just upset that they weren’t allowed to be acquired by B6. If this were any other airline trying to acquire NK, you would be against it. However, because your airline is now sufferin...
Jump to postgeorgiabill wrote:Just wondering how this merger is going to hurt consumers.
The biggest loser may be cities that lose routes or the airline due to operating economics of the new combined carrier.
Looks like DFW-ATH could happen soon on AA if demand holds and there are available a/c. Where does the demand for MIA-MAD/BCN come from? I believe they also flew to MXP in the past? Is it Latin America connections? MIA-Spain is a massive local market. It honestly doesnt even need many connections. ...
Jump to postThat was 1991. I was part of that startup. The MD83 was the wrong jet. It was all O/D and our start up costs were ridiculous. They included giving each customer a solid gold nugget for flying during the first 30 days. AC dumped capacity and buried us. Now? No doubt AS will handle them easily. Total...
Jump to postI’m pretty sure AS tried this once in the past and was chased off pretty quickly by Big Red. That was 1991. I was part of that startup. The MD83 was the wrong jet. It was all O/D and our start up costs were ridiculous. They included giving each customer a solid gold nugget for flying during the fir...
Jump to postMerger is blocked! Law360 (January 16, 2024, 1:10 PM EST) -- A Massachusetts federal judge on Tuesday blocked a proposed $3.8 billion merger between JetBlue Airways Inc. and Spirit Airlines, finding in a lengthy order that the deal would stifle competition in the low-cost carrier market. U.S. Distr...
Jump to postNo need to form an alliance, as Low-cost airlines don't connect to anybody else. Strictly point to point. Low-cost airlines often run a model of modular "cloned" airport bases, like individual cells, serving a local market only. The idea in the OP is a non-starter but "don't need&quo...
Jump to postThe business model of ULCC is incompatible with alliance, interline, frequent flier programs, code share, hubs, connections. Adding all those perks will drive up costs which means they have to increase fares. This is mostly true, I do have to point out though that many ULCCs sell connections. (Ex. ...
Jump to postI wonder if AS and all the other airlines will be less likely to engage in this practice, since the feds have been saber rattling about this sort of thing. Given that sales patterns are more close in, it does make things trickier.. I am getting so sick of fake placeholder schedules. It was never li...
Jump to postDelta should bid for a percentage, allowing Hawaiian to continue to exist under its own volition more than AS would. IMO: 1) Hawaiian assets will be better utilized by a significantly better domestic network; 2) Fleet commonality superb (A321, A330, 717). And Delta can offer A220 fleet experience i...
Jump to postIt’s all simple. HA flights will all have AS flight numbers, be sold by AS but operated/crewed by former HA crews. It’ll say ‘operated by Hawaiian Air’ when you purchase the ticket and will be on a plane with HA livery. There might be a decal by the boarding door that says something like ‘Partners ...
Jump to postwedgetail737 wrote:With the anticipated tie-up with HA, I wonder when customers can accrue AS miles on HA flights. Any ideas?
Hawaiian Airlines (US) may consider other unsolicited offers for the company with the best interest of shareholders in mind. However, Hawaiian is focused on the agreement reached with Alaska Airlines* (US), which it believes is the best path forward. Source of this… Aviator Daily email news@aviator...
Jump to postThere is precedent of this happening though afaik; AnadoluJet is a brand of Turkish Airlines that operated under the same AOC, same IATA/ICAO codes, same crew- there’s only a paint job difference, uniforms, and customer facing PR. Yet AnadoluJet remains outside of Star Alliance and flights on them ...
Jump to postHere's a good analysis of HA and AS from a really good source. https://airserviceone.com/alaska-airlines-hawaiian-would-have-40-of-hawaii-mainland-us-capacity-but-compete-on-just-12-routes/ So what do you think? Was this written by someone who doesn't quite have a grip on the English language? Ther...
Jump to postJeebus no. A 10% failed connection rate is absolutely not worth it. If I'm missing my connections 10% of the time then I'm booking another airline where I have a better chance of making it to my destination close to on schedule, rather than 6 hours later or the next day. LOL, you won't find any air...
Jump to postNothing is certain in airtravel but many people want to spend as little time in the aiport as possible. A 10% failed connection rate is worth it. Jeebus no. A 10% failed connection rate is absolutely not worth it. If I'm missing my connections 10% of the time then I'm booking another airline where ...
Jump to postWN gets any bigger in AUS and they start cannibalizing operations at DAL/HOU. It makes zero sense for them to have 100+ flights. AA's "focus city" never made a lick of sense. DL has a golden opportunity to do something that UA/AA can't do in their weak areas. It's probably better to canni...
Jump to postDetroit313 wrote:Pretty incredible to see 6 PIT - PHL flights next summer and all of them mainline.
Just remember, a 25-minute connection on Delta is really a 10-minute connection. Not sure exactly what you mean by this. Every airline's connections are based on door opening time of the arriving flight and the departure of the second flight. There is nothing unique about DL. You need to be at the ...
Jump to postIf I ever needed to fly BOS-MAF I would be thrilled with a 25 minute connection is AUS. Can't get there any faster than that. Just remember, a 25-minute connection on Delta is really a 10-minute connection. Not sure exactly what you mean by this. Every airline's connections are based on door openin...
Jump to posttlv202 wrote:Main cabin fares starting at $39 one way from MAF. $49 from MFE.
AA only leases five gates and currently has eight gates worth of flight activity. The airport doesn't need to take anything away. The reduction in daily departures by AA will automatically result in a redistribution of flights on those three shared use gates. In Oct 2024 you might see further redis...
Jump to postIt’s all simple. HA flights will all have AS flight numbers, be sold by AS but operated/crewed by former HA crews. It’ll say ‘operated by Hawaiian Air’ when you purchase the ticket and will be on a plane with HA livery. There might be a decal by the boarding door that says something like ‘Partners ...
Jump to postIf HA will cease to be and all flights will be AS, the flights would automatically be oneworld? Unless AS carves out a sub-set of flight numbers where oneworld benefits would not apply. SK does this on certain Nordic routes as a condition of one airline purchase or another, I think Braathens. Even ...
Jump to postBeing part of an airline doesn't automatically include you in an alliance (in this case Oneworld) unless you fully intergrate it into your own airline (which includes the same branding). Though the examples of IAG and other European airlines are different due to the fact that the airlines have thei...
Jump to postin some cases the airline will decide, not the customer when they take the route out of their systems or reduce frequency. The airlines aren't going to drop flights to make a political statement. They will drop flights if their costumers make the choice to not fly to Denmark. They won't drop routes...
Jump to postIf that amount extra means you can't afford to travel to Spain, then you really can't afford that holiday. in some cases the airline will decide, not the customer when they take the route out of their systems or reduce frequency. The airlines aren't going to drop flights to make a political stateme...
Jump to postHere's a good analysis of HA and AS from a really good source. https://airserviceone.com/alaska-airlines-hawaiian-would-have-40-of-hawaii-mainland-us-capacity-but-compete-on-just-12-routes/ So what do you think? Was this written by someone who doesn't quite have a grip on the English language? Ther...
Jump to postHere's a good analysis of HA and AS from a really good source. https://airserviceone.com/alaska-airlines-hawaiian-would-have-40-of-hawaii-mainland-us-capacity-but-compete-on-just-12-routes/ So what do you think? Was this written by someone who doesn't quite have a grip on the English language? Ther...
Jump to postThree times a year I work in Harlingen. I would fly into SAT and drive the 4hrs. For as long as it lasts I can now do SLC AUS then McAllen. That said ATL I would have thought would have made more sense Driving from MFE to Harlingen to stay on your prefered aine isnt crazy, but you must really love ...
Jump to postI'll give it a go. Please understand these are the ramblings of someone with limited knowledge about Alaska and Hawaiian specifically, but with good insight into route planning and fleet planning in general. - ANC and SEA are both in the northwestern part of the US. There is feed from ANC going thr...
Jump to postThe only reason for this to make sense is if Alaska is looking to get rid of a competitor. Just like with Virgin America. This, I agree with 100%. This is textbook for eliminating a competitor, we all have seen this "movie" before with other airlines doing this. Keeping the brands separat...
Jump to postI read this site and look at AS’s site regularly. First I’ve heard of the UP partnership too. https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/how-to-earn-miles/airline-partners/bahamasair?lid=airline-partners:partners-bahamasair like the PD partnership it is only milage earning on flights bought thr...
Jump to postOh well, having a senior moment then! :oops: Not neccissarily a memory problem, it didn't make much of a splash and I don't remember any discussion here. I read this site and look at AS’s site regularly. First I’ve heard of the UP partnership too. https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/how-...
Jump to postIMO, if an airline (whether it’s AS, WN, or HA) thought they could make money in today’s travel climate doing BOI-HNL, then they would’ve tried it by now. I will try to be a little nicer, but what are you trying to say here? Every single route in existence was once unserved, and at some point in ti...
Jump to postRoutes appear strange usually to people who have not flown a route and have very little familiarity with the communities living in the 2 airports on the route. If you live in or have familiarity with communities in one of the cities of the route, it often appears like a very normal route. From whos...
Jump to postI’m willing to bet that Alaska has been keeping a close eye on this trial. Their announcement of a buyout of Hawaiian strikes me as a good omen for B6/NK, as I don’t think they’d be going for it if they thought the government was going to start successfully blocking mergers. That could be. However,...
Jump to postLJ wrote:Nobody is going to fly SEA - HEL via CDG and MAD/BCN are only three daily..
planemanofnz wrote:tinpusher007 wrote:SEA is hardly amazing as a hub for us.
It's got amazing potential that others don't - e.g. you can run 330s/neos on routes into Asia that wouldn't be possible from elsewhere in the US (mainland).