Is F phase 2 a head house, or an extension of the recently completed gates 1-4? The article clearly states phase 2 is a headhouse. It also says the project is an exercise in as cheap as possible. Gotta be more to it than that. 15 gates and a head house is a huge waste of space, particularly if E is...
Jump to postThe article below has some interesting info I have not yet seen: 1) F pax/bags would be processed at “new space added” at E not D; 2) a Phase 2 plan for F exists. So many questions… Is the new space at E the former ground level Delta FIS, which had a bag belt? Is F phase 2 a head house, or an extens...
Jump to postThis isn't just a "these days" kind of thing. I worked in movie theaters in the 90s. A significant percentage of people felt it was ok to make a mess and leave trash on the floor because people were paid to clean it up. Same has been true for as long as I can remember in stadiums. They fe...
Jump to postI'm assuming the "modules" just be for the Holdrooms? The high C gates didn't have any restaurant/concession space that would have been impacted...it was just a straight addition of Holdrooms. Good question. Though they seem certain to work around the Skylink stations, I would assume ever...
Jump to postI think folks have also undersold the A/C pier projects as just 9 more gates. The construction is completely additive, nothing is being demolished. The project is really 20 brand-new 738/321-sized gates with centralized concessions/bathrooms right at Skylink stations. They only occupy the site of 11...
Jump to postThis article this week was the first that I have read the entire original Terminal C will be demolished and rebuilt modularly: “Having learned how well the off-site construction of the High C Gates worked, we have decided to renovate all of Terminal C using the same modular methodology of constructi...
Jump to postThat's my point--these changes do improve operational efficiency by increasing gate density without adding another landside terminal. And I believe they only cost ~$150 million each. Do one on each of the Skylink Stations at A and C, you've added 20 gates and enlarged 20 more for 1/4 of the cost of ...
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[/img]I feel like folks are asleep at the switch on the changes coming to DFW. DP said a few years ago that DFW needed to update its design before AA would sign off on Terminal F. In response DFW plans to add piers to Terminals A and C, centralizing concessions and gates around Skylink stations. While the...
Jump to postIf you look closely at the graphic on slide 43, it looks like something is being done with the old TrAAm stations. From the presentations, it looks like both C baggage claims are being moved down to the ramp/Level 0. D was built with bags on the lower level, but A,B and E have everything upstairs. ...
Jump to postDon't disagree with your larger point TDI, but you've got this part exactly backwards: "but WN should not have legal protection from competition in DAL." The Wright Amendment and 5-Party Agreement exist to protect DFW and its airlines against WN not the other way around. WN does just fine ...
Jump to postWhat if they Fold Love Field into DFW? Hear me out. Love Field would be operated by DFW and have the same fees as DFW. Let Southwest operate out of the DFW Love Field Terminal? It is just a Terminal with it's own runways....... Problem solved. Build more gates if needed. After the new terminal, I t...
Jump to postBut, they were the only airline operating at DAL that had not signed an agreement to move to DFW. So, what? That makes WN the only airline allowed to operate from DAL from then on? In this case, let WN buy DAL and be done with this charade. Just tryin to splain why WN got left behind--seemed import...
Jump to postBut, they were the only airline operating at DAL that had not signed an agreement to move to DFW.
Jump to postSo, is a 65-seat E-170 considered a large or small RJ under AA's scope?
Jump to postIt would take 20 years, but DFW could meet AA's desires for a denser, more efficient terminal without wasting too much of the post-2000 improvements. Just: * Terminal F--relocate Skylink to the roadway median, building 3 stations attached to 15-20 gate linear concourses perpendicular to the road (E/...
Jump to postSo if Envoy is still transferring 145s to Piedmont, why are the TSA 145s going to Envoy next April? Will Piedmont be done taking 145s?
Jump to postYeah, that's when things will get interesting again, particularly if WN wants to serve FTW or AFW. Would the City of Ft. Worth work with then to build a terminal, which is contrary to 50 years of their DFW is sacrosanct rhetoric? And then there is HSR. If Texas Central gets the OK to build the Dalla...
Jump to postUpdated Fleet Plan: https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com/static-files/552c3292-d044-440f-bc3b-66a5694fdabb Also the ERDs seem to show AA picking up a few more planes from outside. As of 2017 they have 21 in service, and "At the end of the first quarter, the company had 23 ERJ140 regional aircr...
Jump to post[quote="FSDan"On the widebody side, it seems prudent that the 333s are being retained a bit longer than initially planned (and that no more 763s are being retired imminently). That should mean that the remaining 789 deliveries can fund some added growth.[/quote] Wonder if that means they w...
Jump to postAA finally provided a fleet update though 2020 with their 8k today: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=117098&p=irol-sec Highlights: E190--all 20 retired 2019 MD80--19 retired this year, remaining 26 in 2019 738--12 retirements in 2019, 33 in 2020 320--no more retirements planned 757--n...
Jump to postatypical wrote:No politician was going to attempt to legislate a WARA like solution on their own. Not then and not in the future."
Sooner787 wrote:I think a handful will be kept around thru Spring '18 to cover for any shortfall in Eagle lift,
but 2018 is definitely the end of the line for the old birds
Interesting that AA chose to pause 175 deliveries for most of 2018 when they are nowhere near the large RJ scope limit (266 CR9+175 YE 2017, 40% of ~800 mainline narrowbody =320). I guess low fuel made E-140s profitable again for a while. AA is actually much closer to the overall RJ limit due to th...
Jump to postMaybe that, or continued use of the E140s +145s was part of trying to constrain capital spending. That was certainly their reasoning in rescheduling all 321neo orders out of 2018. But, both 321 and 175 deliveries resume in 2019, so I'm not sure what is to be gained by tapping the brakes for just on...
Jump to postInteresting that AA chose to pause 175 deliveries for most of 2018 when they are nowhere near the large RJ scope limit (266 CR9+175 YE 2017, 40% of ~800 mainline narrowbody =320). I guess low fuel made E-140s profitable again for a while.
Jump to postGiven that AA is now complaining about DFW's design and wants something more efficient for the proposed Terminal F, it's a shame that E was not the last TRIP terminal rather than C. If it had been, over 10+ years DFW/AA could scrape it and build linear (East/West), double-sided concourses to house A...
Jump to postActually, most of the early efforts to amend/eliminate Wright came from pols outside Texas. The Shelby (R-AL) Amendment added MS,KS and AL. The Bond (R-MO) Amendment added MO, but only after AA choked TWA out. Texas pols mostly didn't want to get between AA and WN until WN started pressing the issue...
Jump to postTo be clear, I am suggesting that AA would have all of D, E and F after G is built. Whether that is 10 or 20 years out I know not. But, AA operates out of 5 terminals today so don't tell me that is crazy.
Jump to postThis is pic I was looking for, thanks. F does look like D. Might as well tear down C if F is built, and rebuild C as necessary. That pic does help. To me, it shows how design-constrained the C site is between the hotel, parking garages and Skylink. If F gets built and C scraped, building G next mig...
Jump to post[quote="user444555" That is the problem with your plan. It provides for no Intl OA growth, and that is what is needed most right now, not 5 years later. It is actually overdue. Terminal D fills up every day and as soon as the OA Intl Widebodies depart, Envoy starts using the gates. I would...
Jump to postFirst, I HATE the new (OK, not so new) quote function. So, I'm not going to quote anybody directly. I think some folks are missing the part of the source article that DFW was engaging in a 20-40 year planning exercise, in addition to the suggestion that it may be cheaper to build a new F than TRIP C...
Jump to postI don't think AA would just permanently walk away from C and give up one corner of their connected polygon without some serious thought and concessions from DFW. I guess I think the opposite. If F is cheaper (than a phased C redo), more modern and more efficient, why wouldn't AA want it? With Skyli...
Jump to postAutomated People Mover. It would connect the terminal and rail station, replacing the shuttle bus.
Jump to postOne other significant improvement being made at BWI is the redevelopment of the BWI Rail station:
http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/ne ... ation.html
Now if they just build the APM.....
The real DAL news this week was not this, but that the City of Dallas could be forced to sell the airport if it files for bankruptcy due to the pension issue: "Even so, if pension fund negotiators already have brought up the sale of Love, it could well surface again in a bankruptcy proceeding.&...
Jump to postIt will be interesting to see how the Trump Administration handles this. Could be a low stakes opportunity to send "Jina" a message that there is a new sheriff in town. As Commavia noted, AA was very critical in its public comments. I immediately thought that they are hoping to benefit fro...
Jump to postI suspect this ties into Terminal F development. Phased reconstruction of partially-occupied structures can be significantly more expensive/complex than new construction. Perhaps the plan is to build Terminal F first, then vacate C entirely prior to remediation/demolition. If F is planned by 2025, t...
Jump to postCJ, either way the message would seem to be we have room to expand. Not sure how tunneling a street/streetcar under a taxiway is markedly cheaper than taking the APM under a runway.
Jump to postSo no news on the court case, but plenty of news out of DAL:
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/love ... light-rail
APM is back under consideration along with a new north entrance, funded by a PFC. Anyone else think Duebner might be trying to influence the powers that be?
Since none have posted this yet, below is a link from the Dallas paper about the hearing. Sounds like WN made some headway: http://www.dallasnews.com/business/airl ... te-hearing As Commavia noted earlier, we've been through these issues many times before and few are likely to change their minds now...
Jump to postIf the goal is to maximize the airside of the F site, you could build the garage in/over International Parkway and even in the infield of E. Build the landside parallel to IP with 3 ~15 narrowbody gate piers. Reroute Skylink onto the roof of the landside.
Jump to postLot's of interesting speculation. If the timeline for F is advancing and C is a goner, is the horseshoe terminal design at the end of its road? Before settling on the square design of D, an "E" shaped design with 3 piers was considered. While the box works wells for widebodies, an E (or E+...
Jump to post<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Sooner787" class="quote" target="_blank">Sooner787</a> (<a href="#16" class="quote">Reply 16</a>):<br/><i>I think with Alaska's takeover of Virg...
Jump to postNext up would be a new ~$230mm consolidated rental car facility: <a href="http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2016/05/to-reduce-car-traffic-at-busy-dallas-love-field-city-looks-to-build-230-million-rental-car-facility.html/" target="_blank">http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2...-million-rental-car-f...
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Jump to postWN appealing Judge Kinkaede's temporary injunction in favor of <acronym title="Delta Air Lines (USA)">DL</acronym>: <a href="http://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/aviation/sky-talk-blog/article55416240.html" target="_blank">http://www.star-telegram.com/news/bu...sky-talk-blog/article55416240.ht...
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