Big question would be what would WN offer at DFW different from AA if they decided to have a presence of any size? Cost factors will be the same, quick turns will be minimal based on size, the vaunted WN productivity may be the only differentiating factor, would that be enough to build DFW as a repl...Jump to post
As I and others have said in this and other DAL threads, if WN can't expand at DAL, WN will simply wait til 2024 and expand at other Metroplex airports The WARA handcuffs are off starting in 2024. I could see the outlying fields being mainly O&D with DAL being a "hub" and marginal rou...Jump to post
To what end, if they start offering international flights in the metroplex one would also expect connecting traffic, how are they going to get them to DFW, by bus? If they open up a sizeable DFW footprint they just have to go along with the increased cost and allow other LCC's to use the other cheap...Jump to post
So why cant France force other EU members to match their cost / benefits, this principle works well with countries outside and within the EU so.....whats the problem? By ensuring that all member nations pay the same France would be ensuring that the playing field is level, no race to the bottom and ...Jump to post
5) WN agreed to the gate limit because it was desperate to fly unimpeded from DAL As they say "half a loaf, is better than no bread at all." WN got some of what it wanted, AA. Ft. Worth and DFW got some of what they wanted. Everybody swallowed some bitter pills. The heart of the problem a...Jump to post
If the 787 is upgraded to compete with the A359, the A330 which made the 767 obsolete will be in a space by itself thus forcing Boeing to either abandon the market segment or design a new clean sheet as a replacement for the 767 and a competitor to the A330NEO, seems pretty straight jacket.. forward...Jump to post
Sounds a lot like the Boeing PR line, so it cannot be accurate, I guess Contract Account bears no resemblance to Program Accounting
https://leehamnews.com/2015/10/12/analy ... -strategy/
When a company uses program for cost accounting, the aim is hiding losses or low profits in the beginning of a production run of a model or product family. When you run a new program before you have to clean out the deferred cost of the old program, you can defer to show the real net earnings for q...Jump to post
List prices have zero bearing and comparing them between OEMs is like comparing apples and oranges. The amount of after sales services included differs and can make up a significant share of the price. However, this is only relevant when we are not discussing dumping and WTO claims, then everyone k...Jump to post
Ok I won't use "lost". Boeing used to have 80-100% of the WB's of a carrier and now 30-50%. Something "changed". Feels better? Yeah something changed, Airbus finally got off their duff and made a complimentary twin to the A330 and stopped flogging the A340-XXX as a worthy 777W c...Jump to post
A wing 20% bigger (surface) would make a hell of a difference. Two or three different fuselage lengths could be based at it. It would be a more direct XWB competitor / 777-200ER/300ER replacement in terms of capacity-range. Ok, so the 787 was announced, the initial A350 in response did not pan out ...Jump to post
So here is my confusion, Boeing did not design the 787 to be a replacement for the 777W, Airbus did not design the A350 to be a head on competitor for the 787 but to go after the 777-200ER and 777W, so why exactly are we now making these comparisons as if these a/c were designed as head to head comp...Jump to post
So a simple question, the noise regulations that exist today that is driving engine makers to produce engines with much less noise has a hard range, it is not subjective but based on numbers. So where exactly are they measuring the noise, what the pax hear inside or the citizens residing around the ...Jump to post
Who will result in lower fares to MSP and DTW? DL or WN? Growing Delta at DAL wont lower fares, growing WN will. First time Ive ever heard someone say a monopoly lowers fares. Well, when WN was essentially the only one operating at DAL under the WA, how did they do with that monopoly? If DFW preven...Jump to post
I think this is a large loophole that the cities of Dallas, Ft. Worth along with AA left in their last 5 party agreement, each such event should have been recorded and if WN exceeded a certain amount within a set time, gates should have been freed up at DAL thus breaking the monopoly and allowing fa...Jump to post
Nope. The buyer for B6 will be WN. It is the deal with the least overlap between the players, and it gives WN a presence in the geography in which it is weakest. The mismatch in the fleets is easily resolved over the space of 5-7 years with new deliveries. Well WN did want in to ATL and once they g...Jump to post
So assume the cost of the 787's are too high or they are not available?
If BA has no A330's I will assume the cost of additional training and or ground handling equipment is minimal compared to the cost of getting same a/c different engines.
A lot of assumptions on my part......
Nobody flies in Europe in the middle of the night except cargo and cheap sun flights. There’s a reason for this. So is this a chicken and egg......my understanding is that the reason for this is because they passed laws, not because there was no need or demand..... Now I agree with a later poster w...Jump to post
jplatts wrote:[*]Demand for AA service out of DFW has been increasing since the repeal of the Wright Amendment, and is still continuing to increase.[/list]
IAG beware. Neither Boeing or GE seem to be making comparable efforts to assist affected customers, utilising parked aircraft they directly and indirectly own. Which airline with GE powered 787's are down and in need of relief? You expect Boeing and or GE to offer airlines affected by the RR engine...Jump to post
Just absolute nonsense. This years production cut to 3 or 3.5 frames a month has very little to do with the change over to the 777-9, but rather with the number of 777 to be delivered this year. Still does not explain the comparison with a new frame requiring less work thus allowing it to be sold a...Jump to post
Too early (just) to call it a shortage crisis - but the preponderance of evidence builds. STCs comments “150 short”, cancelled flights, frequency increases deferred etc But the latest news this week is that the dedicated cargo pilots have been told that they will now fly Pax flights on their standb...Jump to post
Great points. Two other factors are: 1. The dollar is at .82 to the Euro now vs .90's for the 3 years before. Yes, both A & B have blended supplies priced in $ & E but A is probably only 1/3 $ while B is 2/3 $. But this shift may give B a 5% advantage in the exchange rate difference in thei...Jump to post
In my opinion Boeing should watch out. If the A330NEO gets squeezed to much, Airbus could decide to improve the A330NEO and develop a real replacement for the A330-200 and A330-300 and possibly also A300. This is a MOM that would have beter economics that Boeings 797 proposals. So to be clear, Airb...Jump to post
TheFlyingRaven wrote:My apologies for actually discussing the topic of the thread!
Knickers....we don't know what the other one is.. As for the renaming, if it was an American company I would said this was expected, but a European company, let's see we still have BA and IB and AF and KLM so why the renaming, what's the real story? Everyone and their unborn babies are lining up to ...Jump to post
Understatement of the year............
Now back to our regular schedule topic...will they replace the A330 with the 787?
Stitch wrote:Yeah, those Program Accounting shenanigans are really hiding some critically poor results.
I will return to this thread after the detail analysis of the 787 debacle... I mean deferred cost come around, until that is cleared Boeing cannot ... I mean should not be reporting any profits especially when they are pushing cash to investors buying shares.
As for the tanker project..........
How on earth does the cost of 1 flight attendant be decisive on the model of the aircraft ? What is the annual cost of one flight attendant ? Which cost, the actual salary inclusive of benefits for the one, the additional number of shifts, the extra housing at the bases (assume they do not have ext...Jump to post
So does anyone know or can confirm that EK are transferring pilots from their 777's to the A380's to get more bang for the buck?
I ask because on this site the refrain will be....see they have pilots for the A380 and not the 777 so they should have bought more....
But what appears to provide the perceived step change is a massive push on suppliers for lower pricing. Leaning on suppliers that had the same excess outlay in the initial phase of the project. ( I tend to send away customers that show excessive greed or expect more value than they want to pay for....Jump to post
So raising the cost of the airport which the airlines will pass on, then some will start looking at the smaller cost differential between FLL and MIA and weigh the benefits. As a stand alone airport it will be a great feature, especially as more US carriers offer connecting service for Caribbean, So...Jump to post
So do the pilots work for Boeing or a contractor? If Boeing supplies its test pilots one would expect a slow down in the production of 787's as all have to be tested by Boeing before delivery, I believe a minimum of at least 2 flights. So is Boeing putting its entire Dreamliner production on slow do...Jump to post
You should add a caveat that this is a Boeing gap, expect the A321XXX to appear in 1....2.....3..... This is the part for me that is critical, Boeing has a gap in its product line up, the gap for the airlines is smaller as they can go between OEM's unfortunately, neither OEM sells the others product...Jump to post
Super80Fan wrote:This just seems like AS whining about it so they make it easier/convince themselves to stick to all Boeing.
So it is not ok for him to play one OEM off against the other?
Imagine what will happen when the Russians and Chinese attempt to break the duopoly.....
Again, Emirates business model aircraft highly benefits from flying large aircraft for traffic, the A380 just happens to be the biggest aircraft available, hence EK flys a boatload of them. But that doesn't mean that EK's continued existence as a business entity entirely depends on the A380's conti...Jump to post
Development costs most definitely are factored in to the price. Boeing just got it very wrong when estimating exactly how high those development costs would turn out to be on the 787, as did Airbus on the A380. I don't regard screwing up programs by buying fastners late and incorrect, not overseein...Jump to post
The billions in deferred cost is not as a result of a change in construction method - LEGO - but having to bring the out-sourced items by vendors in house. So theoretically, if LEGO assembly is by design supposed to be cheaper then ultimately, once they get the learning curve down the expected const...Jump to post
The 787 is built with a design that was created specifically to bring construction cost down. Which never materialized. no snap together LEGO thing. ... and the .9 didn't fix some basic errors like that "duh, obvious barrels!" stuff. Well if you think the only way construction cost would ...Jump to post
When the customer is an A330 operator but not a 787 operator the picture may be different. You mean like HA? That order was literally Airbus’s to lose, and they lost it. AA was also an operator of the A330 and the 787, so commonality should have been a wash. Now they said they wanted to streamline ...Jump to post
Does Airfrance still use the A380 on the Paris - New York route ? As of now, 2x daily - AF6 and AF10 are A388's. Hmmm....so AF is able to run the A380 to JFK without trashing its yields but BA cannot even try one daily for a busy period, summer period, winter period, holiday period,,,, I am shocked...Jump to post
Now we understand why the 787 was not the first airline to use a common engine interface allowing easy swaps of engines between OEM's, just imagine what would happen to RR in this case if the infrastructure on the 787 allowed an economical swap of engines between OEM's? OEM's know that they will hav...Jump to post
I have mixed feelings about this decision to go with the 787 to replace the A330's, as does everyone else that has had the pleasure to be on a full flight in a 3-3-3 cabin vs a 2-4-2 cabin for 8+ hours. The 767 was even more comfortable than the 242 cabin in the A330 but that did not make much of a...Jump to post