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by JayinKitsap
Mon Apr 15, 2024 8:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024
Replies: 506
Views: 90615

Re: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024

Does anybody know if the second production line in Charleston is up and running? It hasn't been announced, however they did add over 1000 employees in SC in 2023 https://www.postandcourier.com/business/boeing-south-carolina-dreamliner-787-workforce/article_5998e85a-c11e-11ee-9e98-d32e70f12eed.html ...

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by JayinKitsap
Fri Apr 05, 2024 7:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024
Replies: 506
Views: 90615

Re: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024

Possibly a silly question, but, has the B788 been brought inline, structurally and production-wise, with the B789/B78X? https://leehamnews.com/2018/04/17/boeing-to-implement-structural-design-change-in-787-8-for-production-commonality/ This is a link from 2018 where this was mentioned. Has it becom...

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by JayinKitsap
Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing announces Board and Management Changes
Replies: 333
Views: 30676

Re: Boeing announces Board and Management Changes

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/26/boeing-ceo-who-could-replace-calhoun.html ‘We need someone to fix Boeing.’ Here’s who could replace Calhoun as the troubled plane maker’s CEO Larry Culp General Electric CEO Larry Culp is “probably at the top of the list for a Boeing CEO,” said Richard Aboulafia, man...

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by JayinKitsap
Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing announces Board and Management Changes
Replies: 333
Views: 30676

Re: Boeing announces Board and Management Changes

They had to offer up some sacrificial lambs to placate the media, shareholders and customers. As others have stated, they really need to bring in execs from outside the company (but within the industry) to truly change the culture. This. And as to why Calhoun is not vacating his position immediatel...

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by JayinKitsap
Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA 737-800 Loses Body Fairing In Flight
Replies: 128
Views: 19051

Re: UA 737-800 Loses Body Fairing In Flight

Hysteria, like this thread? Things like this happen everyday. Unfortunately it’s trendy to put the spotlight on them now. This panel is pretty much cosmetic. Losing it has zero effect on the control or stability of the A/C Unless it got another critical piece of the aircraft or causes damage or inj...

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by JayinKitsap
Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Ramp Up Strained As Workers Now Prepare To Strike
Replies: 64
Views: 9725

Re: Airbus A220 Ramp Up Strained As Workers Now Prepare To Strike

1978-82 Engineer with steel & crane erector in Detroit, inside steel mills and auto plants mostly. Tough unions fighting over territory. One project to install a shot blast machine for engine blocks. 6 man crew - Ironworker foreman, ironworker steward, Millwright foreman, millwright steward, rig...

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by JayinKitsap
Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA 737-800 Loses Body Fairing In Flight
Replies: 128
Views: 19051

Re: UA 737-800 Loses Body Fairing In Flight

Av Herald posts many incidents a week, the threshold point that they become news varies with the public appetite. Airbus incidents aren't news that a Boeing incident now is. I really suspect a lot of problems cropped up because the line came to a crawl with the MAX crashes, lots of experience and th...

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by JayinKitsap
Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:10 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: How the Lockheed SR-71 Works
Replies: 17
Views: 1809

Re: How the Lockheed SR-71 Works

As summer intern at the US Geological Survey 1977, I was doing FEM modelling of the Teton River, where the Teton dam had failed. We had to allocate how much memory our program would use on the IBM 360. My runs required an 'incredible' amount of memory - 360K - for the fraction of a second it ran and...

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by JayinKitsap
Thu Mar 07, 2024 10:05 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: How the Lockheed SR-71 Works
Replies: 17
Views: 1809

How the Lockheed SR-71 Works

I came across in YT the following video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkyVZxtsubM Quite interesting and more advanced than the typical. For example it discusses the shock waves at the engine inlet that convert to pressure, but also the cowl bleed that passing through the shock traps and cools the ...

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by JayinKitsap
Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The hydrogen A380 concept discussion
Replies: 37
Views: 4130

Re: The hydrogen A380 concept discussion

I'm with planecane here. Yes H has high MJ/kg (117) verses kerosene at (44), the compression to carry a practical volume at 70F would be quite high, thus heavy. LNG is a lot easier but it is only (45), shipping is only now days switching over to it, they can fit big and heavy vessels. It's boiling p...

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by JayinKitsap
Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:07 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Military Aviation News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1856
Views: 328249

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Military Aviation News and Discussion Thread

What makes me smile is all of the new drones that could be replicas of WW1 biplanes. Square bodies, painted cloth, fixed landing gear last used on a wheel barrow. Imagine one of these cheap drones carrying a dozen mortar shells or incendiary bombs that could be dropped over a football field, or coal...

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by JayinKitsap
Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:54 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Any replacement for the C-17 ?
Replies: 76
Views: 4943

Re: Any replacement for the C-17 ?

The US has the C-5, C-17 and C-130. It seems to see the C-5 capability important but a future fleet of around 50 covers that capability. The C-130 is still in production, this fall it will be 70 years since first flight. Has any other aircraft been in production for even 60 years? With these still i...

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by JayinKitsap
Wed Feb 28, 2024 6:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is the 787-10 failure or underestimated
Replies: 257
Views: 38895

Re: Is the 787-10 failure or underestimated

Something I don't understand, how can the 78X be such a total failure even though it has 21% of the current backlog. It came out late, so it is understandable that only 8% of deliveries are the 78X. Boeing should just pack the 787 up and close down the line as it has only 1,908 orders. How pathetic....

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by JayinKitsap
Wed Feb 28, 2024 5:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Are the A35K's for Qantas going to have the same range as the A359ULR? 9700nm?
Replies: 30
Views: 5943

Re: Are the A35K's for Qantas going to have the same range as the A359ULR? 9700nm?

The fight between payload and max fuel will be REAL on P Sunrise, might be worth having accurate load cells on the gear to check the weight. Probably extra bag charges out the kazoo. Each 1000 kg makes a real difference. The CG is also important here, being out of trim could eat up 1% or more of ran...

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by JayinKitsap
Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections
Replies: 3147
Views: 417665

Re: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections

In watching the Theater of this episode (How the Media tornado swirled, not the idiocy of Boeing not having a real punch list) the NTSB was followed closely here. I follow engineering things in a lot of fields. Back in Jan '22 the Fern Hollow Bridge collapsed, the City of Pittsburg had been ignoring...

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by JayinKitsap
Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA issues AD for missing 737 MAX rudder bolt
Replies: 7
Views: 4404

Re: Another 737 Quality Escape

I believe this is resolved except for some paperwork. Original 1 bolt out in service, Boeing found 1 @ Renton, 1,400 more inspected without finding any others. After an international airline discovered a rudder bolt with a missing nut while performing routine maintenance in December, Boeing inspecte...

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by JayinKitsap
Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:16 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US Army Cancels FARA, Makes Other Changes
Replies: 30
Views: 2568

Re: US Army Cancels FARA, Makes Other Changes

I think the evolution of HSVTOL and drones will ultimately happen to provide much greater CAS/escort/scout/attack helicopter type solutions over the next 10 years. https://defence-blog.com/bell-tests-game-changing-hsvtol-technology/ I did get the T408/T901 confused. Jay I think I read they are cont...

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by JayinKitsap
Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is the 787-10 failure or underestimated
Replies: 257
Views: 38895

Re: Is the 787-10 failure or underestimated

The 767-300R never had the range of other planes, yet it sold over 1,300 copies. It has plenty of range for like 75% of city pairs. Seems to have worked well. The 788 and A330 are good replacements on those routes, but the market is pretty sated in that size. The more capable planes - the VLA's (744...

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by JayinKitsap
Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:06 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US Army Cancels FARA, Makes Other Changes
Replies: 30
Views: 2568

Re: US Army Cancels FARA, Makes Other Changes

The new T901 engine doesn't really have a helicopter that could take advantage of all its power. The Blackhawk and Apache rotor system can't handle the extra power so all it would have provided was better hot and high performance. The T901 would have to be derated in cold temperatures and at sea le...

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by JayinKitsap
Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections
Replies: 3147
Views: 417665

Re: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections

At the opening where the plug door was on this plane there are several options prior to production. I recall 5 types of doors and arrangements (info from the YT video noted several times above). Plug doors cannot be changed out. Most of the other types can be changed. With the plug some of the hardw...

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by JayinKitsap
Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:19 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Military Aviation News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1856
Views: 328249

Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Military Aviation News and Discussion Thread

Get the drones cheap and plenty enough many can be considered targets - Use up an S-300 for $25K, pretty good deal. Use up 200 S-300's a month and Russia soon out of inventory. These latest AQ-400 drones crack me up, they make WW1 biplanes look like stealth fighters. But the price and range is right...

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by JayinKitsap
Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections
Replies: 3147
Views: 417665

Re: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections

I hope this is not true, otherwise the rot is so deep it will be almost impossible to fix… If you changed the company's culture once, you can change it again. It has to start with the C-Suite and then extend down to lower tiers of management and the line workers. Back in the 1980's the American car...

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by JayinKitsap
Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections
Replies: 3147
Views: 417665

Re: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections

FAA Technical Center in Atlantic City is hiring. Their normal cutoff of 2.0 GPA for engineering grads has been lowered to 1.8. (just from my sources). Oh my! That's embarrassing. I'm an alien, so could you please explain, what 2.0 GPA and 1.8 GPA means? Thank you. American colleges have a Grade Poi...

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by JayinKitsap
Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections
Replies: 3147
Views: 417665

Re: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections

FAA Technical Center in Atlantic City is hiring. Their normal cutoff of 2.0 GPA for engineering grads has been lowered to 1.8. (just from my sources). Is that from Accredited Engineering Programs. Most of the ASCE and ASME degrees in the US are from Accredited Programs, but there are some 'fluff' d...

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by JayinKitsap
Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024
Replies: 506
Views: 90615

Re: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024

15 for LH, that seems like a big chunk of the 2024 total production. Has Boeing announced their total anticipated deliveries in 2024?

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by JayinKitsap
Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:53 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Q400 Increased MTOW
Replies: 4
Views: 1921

Re: Q400 Increased MTOW

What is the current status with the Q400? I like the airplane and its new owners, but it seems to be fading away pretty fast. There are still 400+ Q400s in service. More importantly, all the largest operators of Q400 (all with 20+ to 50+ in each of them), including Wideroe, Air Canada, Porter, West...

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by JayinKitsap
Sun Jan 28, 2024 4:24 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Q400 Increased MTOW
Replies: 4
Views: 1921

Re: Q400 Increased MTOW

What is the current status with the Q400? Did Flybe's ever get picked up? How has DHC's support been? I know Horizon no longer flies it, I can't read the articles on CH Aviation but their headlines indicate LOT and Olympic Air have dropped the Q400. I like the airplane and its new owners, but it see...

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by JayinKitsap
Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections
Replies: 3147
Views: 417665

Re: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections

If nothing is found here it serves two purposes. It verifies the design is most likely adequate. But it also puts an Occurred After date on the process failure that allowed aircraft to enter service with critical shortcomings. Merely inspecting for loose and missing bolts on the plug door assembly ...

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by JayinKitsap
Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:05 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread
Replies: 422
Views: 82961

Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread

Breaking Defense article on the KC-46 production, some interesting details and pictures but not much new. It seems to take forever to get these deficiencies corrected. It's probably the year long + time to do the certification tests, this aircraft is getting certified to the FAA and USAF criteria, I...

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by JayinKitsap
Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections
Replies: 3147
Views: 417665

Re: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGWLBLb9Pm4
Apologies if I missed the posting of it before.
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Perusing thru this I may have missed the link to the live stream of NTSB 1282 Jan 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGWLBLb9Pm4
Apologies if I missed the posting of it before.

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by JayinKitsap
Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:15 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing E-4B Replacement News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 484
Views: 49130

Re: Boeing E-4B Replacement News and Discussion Thread

DOD used to do mostly cost plus kinds of contracts, like the F-35. But they often felt that the contractor was milking the system. So DOD wanted to do fixed price contracts competitively bid. In construction, the winning bidder is often the one that missed the most items. If poorly executing a low b...

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by JayinKitsap
Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:49 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing E-4B Replacement News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 484
Views: 49130

Re: Boeing E-4B Replacement News and Discussion Thread

a reality check... how many years have the existing planes been flying and how many engine shut downs have occurred? on the side how many windshields have failed and should the new plane have redundant windshields??? :duck: :duck: Nuclear submarines have only 1 reactor, every pump on the boat have ...

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by JayinKitsap
Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections
Replies: 3147
Views: 417665

Re: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections

... My bets are on this scenario being the most probable. Spirit loose fitted the plug with finger tight bolts, on this aircraft this plug was not pulled for interior finishes but appeared to be complete. Somehow the QA checks of this door and bolting was incomplete so the interior panels went on w...

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by JayinKitsap
Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections
Replies: 3147
Views: 417665

Re: AS1282 PDX-ONT decompression event, returned to PDX, FAA temporarily grounds 737MAX9 for inspections

I'm a Structural & Mechanical Engineer of buildings, docks & piers, and ship board systems, well versed in vibration & fatigue in steel, wood, concrete, & FRP, but with very little Aluminum work. Welded aluminum has a nasty habit of cracking, in particular with poor welds. This 737 b...

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by JayinKitsap
Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024
Replies: 506
Views: 90615

Re: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024

I think the IGW is only applicable for the 9+10's. Will this make the 8 series more unattractive to buyers. The 8 has already had lower weights than the 9/10 since the 9's spec was finalized, and has been quite unattractive for some years to buyers not named American Airlines. I don't think IGWing ...

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by JayinKitsap
Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Major safety issue with MAX engine deicing system
Replies: 76
Views: 16897

Re: Major safety issue with MAX engine deicing system

So the regulations require no more than 1 chance in a Bazillion, but Boeing's analysis found it has 2 chances in a Bazillion. This is earth shattering.

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by JayinKitsap
Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Japan Airlines A350 collides with aircraft at HND
Replies: 1206
Views: 199341

Re: Japan Airlines A350 collides with aircraft at HND

In one video that is available (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iLt1NiQPIE), [...] Honestly, to me the most interesting element in that video is the impact sequence and trying t figure out what hit where when. I can't make out the Dash 8 very well at all but it doesn't appear to be a head-on into ...

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by JayinKitsap
Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Japan Airlines A350 collides with aircraft at HND
Replies: 1206
Views: 199341

Re: Japan Airlines A350 collides with aircraft at HND

Here is someone's image superimposing an A350-390 and DHC-8-300. The damage on the A350's engine looks consistent with the height of the DHC-8 wings. https://twitter.com/AGeeknologist/status/1742330669160886515 I don’t think that image is represenative. I think the horizontal stabilizer of the DHC-...

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by JayinKitsap
Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Japan Airlines A350 collides with aircraft at HND
Replies: 1206
Views: 199341

Re: Japan Airlines A350 collides with aircraft at HND

With the advent of low power, high intensity LED lights - they should be installed on top of the fuselage/wings and flash whenever the aircraft is on an active runway until gear up/on taxiway. A unique color and flash pattern would enhance the visibility. The eye quickly sees the warning color amon...

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by JayinKitsap
Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Japan Airlines A350 collides with aircraft at HND
Replies: 1206
Views: 199341

Re: Japan Airlines A350 collides with aircraft at HND

Yes, the HUD may have washed out the Dash-8, but even without a HUD seeing a stationary aircraft on the runway at night can be very difficult. The runway is dark and all you have are a couple of lights amongst all the other lights. Spotting moving aircraft isn't that easy either, even if you know t...

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by JayinKitsap
Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024
Replies: 506
Views: 90615

Re: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024

So 3 airlines (Korean, Etihad, & LH) didn't get 10 planes due to interiors (plus the rework ones). Is this one seat supplier or more? Were the orders changed or placed late or are there supplier issues? For efficiency, all should be ready for a plane as it hits assembly.

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by JayinKitsap
Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024
Replies: 506
Views: 90615

Re: Boeing 787 Production / Deliveries - 2024

In addition to the rework frames we also have an unusual number of 2023-build frames that have been delayed by seat supply issues and should clear early in 2024. 90 seems to me like a conservative target. If Boeing could achieve three figures it would be very good for the cash flow statement. If th...

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by JayinKitsap
Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:51 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Hamas Invades Israel
Replies: 45
Views: 8081

Re: Hamas Invades Israel

Could be a 10 minute round trip for the F-15I in that AOR but man oh man is the Mudhen a stud. F-35I in beast mode can't do that. F-15I doesn't have stealth mode. That's why you have BOTH warhorses. Hope my Uncel Sam sees this and understands why the F-15EX is as critical as the F-35. The F-15EX wi...

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by JayinKitsap
Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Deliveries - 2023
Replies: 1647
Views: 453084

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Deliveries - 2023

Just imagine Boeing getting all its ducks in a row so that 10/month happens smoothly. Only then is it ready to go for more. in 2019 they hit 158 / year, just over 12 /month. Around 120/yr looks appropriate for the current backlog, but if 200 get added building up to 12/month looks appropriate.

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by JayinKitsap
Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:36 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing ponders KC46 RE per Leeham, may lead to 767neo?
Replies: 91
Views: 13003

Re: Boeing ponders KC46 RE per Leeham, may lead to 767neo?

Is there any news (or rumor) as to what the next Tanker procurement will be. If they go sole source for an added KC-46's must they remain the 46A or can they change the specs to make it a 46B. No doubt there will be protests. On a side point, where are they with the remote vision and the other outst...

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by JayinKitsap
Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Deliveries - 2023
Replies: 1647
Views: 453084

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Deliveries - 2023

And it seems like Juneyao LN1009 will be delivered today as well. Take off scheduled at 10.10 local time from PAE as DKH6001. https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/DKH6001 Thanks for all your good posts. It is wonderful to see this one going for delivery. With CHS getting clear of all the reworks...

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by JayinKitsap
Mon Dec 18, 2023 5:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MAX 7 Certification Progress?
Replies: 157
Views: 40431

Re: MAX 7 Certification Progress?

Boeing tried that nothing new and radical, and botched it so thoroughly as they could possible manage. It has nothing to do with A-netters wishes. If Southwest wanted no change, they should have kept buying the 737 NG. If they wanted a more modern fuel saving aircraft, they should have accepted som...

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by JayinKitsap
Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:37 am
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Boeing ponders KC46 RE per Leeham, may lead to 767neo?
Replies: 91
Views: 13003

Re: Boeing ponders KC46 RE per Leeham, may lead to 767neo?

The USAF is the key here, if they choose to stay with the PW engine as is in the next contract and that contract is for 75 or more KC-46's. Then the line is open until 2032 thereabout. GE would upgrade the CF6 then, possibly also being the NMA engine without that being announced. That would keep the...

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