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by Waterbomber
Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040
Replies: 185
Views: 11214

Re: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040

Next problem is cost. Everyone is assuming that electricity is cheaper than jet fuel. It's not cheaper. Electricity costs about 0.10-0.20 USD per kWh in developped countries while jet fuel costs about 0.05 USD per kwh. You will ask: Then why is it less expensive to drive on electricity? As said bef...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33372

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

Not trying to derail the thread (apologies), but.... I know what I talk about. It doesn't sound like, when.... By the way, SYD-LHR is 9200NM great circle. Yes that's exactly what I said, and keep in mind the real life distance will only be longer. PLUS you have to count into wind, diversion airport...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040
Replies: 185
Views: 11214

Re: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040

However you also have to keep in mind that most battery types don't do well in low temperature environmments, and in the typical operating environment of aircraft, ie well below freezing, they will need heating, resulting in losing a lot of that advantage. Given that the typical operating environme...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33372

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

A non-stop LHR-SYD is flyable in about 20 hours for the A380. If it carries full fuel, ie 22 hours of fuel, it still has room for 35 tons of payload in a light OEW configuration. So it s flyable with a very premium configuration of 350 already today and Airbus can give the plus to make it towards 4...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040
Replies: 185
Views: 11214

Re: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040

Electricty will not be a fraction of the cost of jet fuel. In fact, whom here can claim that their electricty bill has ever gone down? Electricity is becoming more expensive every year and is already much more expensive on a KWh base compared to jet fuel today. 12MWh/12000kWh of jet fuel costs abou...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040
Replies: 185
Views: 11214

Re: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040

Electricty will not be a fraction of the cost of jet fuel. In fact, whom here can claim that their electricty bill has ever gone down? In fact (!) JetA/A1 prices go up and down all the time, so does the price for electricity. Example (real fact): http://www.utilityhelpline.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/...

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by Waterbomber
Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33372

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

... BA will order more A380's, and that they will launch daily non-stop service to SYD and MEL, giving both EK and QF a run for their money on the kangaroo route. I think that Airbus will help BA for this, as they both must be pretty upset about QF starting ULH using B787's. The PR effect would be ...

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by Waterbomber
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33372

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

I think that BA will order more A380's, and that they will launch daily non-stop service to SYD and MEL, giving both EK and QF a run for their money on the kangaroo route. I think that Airbus will help BA for this, as they both must be pretty upset about QF starting ULH using B787's. The PR effect w...

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by Waterbomber
Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040
Replies: 185
Views: 11214

Re: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040

Norway population (5M) as a fraction of worldwide population (7000M): 0,07%. It's not difficult to show a graph that electicity is produced with renewable energy when you have a national population that is half of Tokyo and you only need one or two plants to produce the required power. People act l...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040
Replies: 185
Views: 11214

Re: Norway is to make all short-haul planes electric by 2040

That is ambitious, and impressive. Congrats to Norway! (Although one has to wonder about banning oil-using vehicles in one's own country, while exporting two million barrels a day elsewhere...) Don't worry about the oil. It will be burned to generate the electricity used to charge the clean batteri...

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by Waterbomber
Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates signs a commitment for 36 additional A380's
Replies: 419
Views: 45844

Re: Emirates signs a commitment for 36 additional A380's

No surprises, great news for the program. It's not a homerun, but definitely a "triple". What I see happening though is QF taking its 12 deferred units. It's not going to happen this year, but give QF the time to realise that their non-stop twin kangaroo operation is not viable and they'll...

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by Waterbomber
Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?
Replies: 63
Views: 7027

Re: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?

Stop talking about batteries and li-ion. It's useless. Have you all forgotten UPS 6 and Asiana 991. "but there was evidence of cargo containers striking the wings in flight, suggesting that at the very least the fire had caused some portions of the fuselage to separate from the aircraft in mida...

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by Waterbomber
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?
Replies: 63
Views: 7027

Re: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?

I must emphasize here that no one doing research envisions these technologies for the near future. NASA/Boeing expect these technologies to be mature around the mid 2030s. It is not unreasonable to expect such an improvement in 20 years, especially driven by the increasingly green auto industry. Th...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?
Replies: 63
Views: 7027

Re: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?

I want to respond to the turboelectric concept. It has an essential flaw and that is with regards to take-off and climb power requirements in engine failure scenario's. The concept indicates that smaller engines can be installed as the electric fan in the back will provide additional power for take-...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?
Replies: 63
Views: 7027

Re: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?

Continuing on the argument of shifting to all-electric aircraft running solely on batteries. Now in practice, one could argue that electric motors have a much higher efficiency than Brayton cycle engines, as there is less heat and friction loss, etc... However you also have to keep in mind that most...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?
Replies: 63
Views: 7027

Re: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?

I think that batteries can give the necessary output in terms of power, just that their capacity is too limited. Tesla uses packs of 18650 batteries which weigh about 50 grams each and have a theoretical capacity of about 15Wh. So basically 300Wh/kg energy density. JET A has an energy density of abo...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

What Boeing can do with the Ejet, is keep Airbus honest with the Cseries. What we will see happen in the coming years, is Airbus ramping up the Cseries production significantly, while positioning it in the 120-160 seat segment, below the A320. Airbus has stronger sales potential, more leverage vers...

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by Waterbomber
Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

Nobody is ordering CSeries and MRJ aircraft by the hundreds either. Whether Airbus can change CSeries sales remains to be seen. The market may not be as big as some people believe . Indeed. A and B have narrowbody backlogs in the many of thousands with nice profit margins on sales and support. Here...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?
Replies: 63
Views: 7027

Re: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?

There are many engineers and inventors thinking about such concepts already today. Batteries as we know them today are not efficient at carrying any form of energy. The problem with hybrid technology as we know it today is that on land vehicles it's based on reducing waste, ie charging during decele...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

Boeing will position the Ejet against the Cseries. And today it's positioned against what? BMW 3 series? They're just too small by themselves. Oh, man, you should try knitting to keep your fingers occupied. :-D Today, the E-Jet is positioned against itself. It can't compete against the Cseries and ...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

It's very unlikely that Boeing needs any of the Embraer engineering talent for the MOM. But it's a nice line to sell the deal. Boeing will probably work with the Japanese Heavies on the MOM and if a deal with Embraer goes through, Boeing will position the Ejet against the Cseries. Also, some alumini...

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by Waterbomber
Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:29 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Are 777s always this loud?
Replies: 47
Views: 7489

Re: Are 777s always this loud?

I did 8 trans-ocean rides on 777s in 2018. A bunch of EVA 77W, plus a couple on SWISS' brand new 77Ws. On EVA I use their terrific Elite class, for the rest it's Economy. Last night I returned to balmy California from the frigid Northeast on United's very first 777-200: N774UA from O'Hare to SFO. I...

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by Waterbomber
Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

The business case for the A380 was solid. Market prediction solid, launch customers solid for the size of the plane. No, it wasn't. This is plainly revisionist history. The Airbus market outlook in 2000 estimated a need for 1,200 VLA aircraft between 2000-2020. In reality, the actual market size wa...

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by Waterbomber
Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

One way to sell more A380s is to cancel all agreements that allow EK to operate at EU airports. That way the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Singaporean and Korean can take over the massive EU to Asia market, along with IAG, LH and AF. Many of these airlines would probably need some more A380 aircra...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

Islandrob, a real life example for you. AY has added A359's to fly the Asian routes, replacing A343's plus additional ones for growth. A330's were more than capable of flying those routes and plenty are available on the used market, yet AY decided to invest in the A359. I think that this is a mista...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

That sadly ignores realities like the geographical placement of your hubs. The US3 would face much bigger problems if they would move all traffic to maybe 2 megahubs each, as other airlines could connect the secondary cities (which still would have huge catchment areas) directly to their hub. And i...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

That is correct. Ideally a plane would want to be pencil thin and very long but in the real world the weight to make a long thin object is very high relative to the volume. This then requires more lift and a bigger wing for any given volume so you start to go backwards again. That's why most aircra...

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by Waterbomber
Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

2. Stretching the A380 by 10% will add way more than 5 tons. The ballpark is more like 15 tons if they do it efficiently. I'm not sure about that. There is a difference between a simple stretch that reduces fuel load and keeps loads the same or a stretch that maintains fuel load and increases overa...

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by Waterbomber
Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chinese airlines supplanting ME3 as the competitive LH concern for other airlines.
Replies: 71
Views: 10331

Re: Chinese airlines supplanting ME3 as the competitive LH concern for other airlines.

I have said this already before in the EK thread. Within the next 5 years, the market dynamics are going to change a lot. Chinese carriers are only starting to show up on fare search engines and they are starting to show up at the very top as the cheapest results. The ME3 and TK are starting to show...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

Hi RJMAZ, Some long time ago there were discussions among the A.net glitterati to the effect that lengthening the A380 fuselage would improve its aerodynamics via the improved fineness ratio. I.e. it is too fat for its length. Is this still correct? That is correct. Ideally a plane would want to be...

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by Waterbomber
Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

Hi RJMAZ, Some long time ago there were discussions among the A.net glitterati to the effect that lengthening the A380 fuselage would improve its aerodynamics via the improved fineness ratio. I.e. it is too fat for its length. Is this still correct? That is correct. Ideally a plane would want to be...

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by Waterbomber
Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

Today a lot of people are saying that the A380 is useless. But in 10 years the parameters can change again and then everyone is going to wonder why Airbus shut the line down so prematurely. That's what happened to the B757. Boeing could have kept the B757 line open, MAXed it and it would have been ...

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by Waterbomber
Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

I remember that somewhere around the beginning of the decade, most A380 operators used to send their A380's to NRT. AF, LH, etc used to operate A380's as well. But then came the big one in Fukushima which caused a temporary traffic drop and also the new runway at HND. Then the ME3 started operating ...

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by Waterbomber
Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 150
Views: 44401

Re: Airbus A350 production and delivery thread - 2018

Could someone share an estimated timeline on the first JL A359, ie final assembly, first flight, delivery?
Thanks.

That Air China looks great.

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by Waterbomber
Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

E vs. M... it had to happen eventually. I think though that Embraer should embrace this as an opportunity versus the MRJ. A JV with Boeing puts them on a new level, and as some Embraer fan reactions testify to here, Embraer is really worried about the MRJ. IMO, Embraer and Boeing have a mutually ben...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ryanair subcontractors charged with criminally witholding social security payments
Replies: 11
Views: 1843

Re: Ryanair subcontractors charged with criminally witholding social security payments

I remember seeing British maintenance contractors at LH subsidiaries. They paid all their taxes in the UK despite working more than 6 months in another country. The only difference between Ryanair and the others is that at Ryanair this is the dominant employment scheme while others just use it as a ...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

This begs the question. Is this situation with the Brazilian government really better than if Boeing had negotiated with BBD and the Canadian government for a stake in the Cseries? This is embarassing for Boeing... not only do they have to settle for the smaller Ejet, even that seems impossible as t...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

If you didn´t read my other post I write it again for you: With no relax on the "scope clauses" we won´t see neither the MRJ90 nor the E175-E2 flying with regionals in US. Source: https://leehamnews.com/2017/01/18/regio ... e-clauses/ "The regional market and scope clauses" MRJ9...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

Mitsubishi is clearly already number 1. In fact, the only thing that could beat the MRJ in tems of fuel efficiency is a re-engined CRJ, but that is no-where on the horizon. Embraer will have to fight for number 2 if Sukhoi comes in with the SSJ130, but they are already losing campaigns. Need a regi...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's behind Finnair's success? Can OK learn from it?
Replies: 50
Views: 6994

Re: What's behind Finnair's success? Can OK learn from it?

AY has a long way to go before it can be called a success. Earnings are not there yet, any spike in oil prices or strength in EUR will send it back into losses. On my last A350XWB flight, the flight arrived 3 hours late in NRT, and breakfast was served in pieces as opposed to on a tray. The food was...

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by Waterbomber
Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ryanair subcontractors charged with criminally witholding social security payments
Replies: 11
Views: 1843

Re: Ryanair subcontractors charged with criminally witholding social security payments

Looks like unfair labour tactics/cheating by Ryanair. I'm sure LH pays all their required employment taxes. As much as I hate taxes I don't admire cheaters-if Ryanair ducks their obligations everybody else has to pay more to cover for it. Many legacy airlines hire contractors, including Lufthansa a...

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by Waterbomber
Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84862

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

They're clearly negotiating over the press for new orders. EK is probably saying that they will pass and keep existing frames longer as a negotiating ploy and Airbus spreading panic among lessors as EK still needs the ones on order right now to be financed. EK will order and they will order big. Wha...

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by Waterbomber
Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

<Mitsubishi> Me too company. Not stellar in anything. A most ironic choice of words by you, because some people might describe the Mitsubishi H-IIB rocket system as "stellar" https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/H-IIB_F2_launching_HTV2.jpg/398px-H-IIB_F2_launching_HTV...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

From below, the MRJ is proving very competitive in sales You're joking, aren´t you ??? No, not at all. MRJ 90 orders: 223 E175-E2 orders: 100 MRJ total orders: 223 E2 total orders: 233 After Skywest gets their first MRJ's and experiences Japanese reliability, I don't think that there is any chance ...

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by Waterbomber
Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737-size Chinese amphibian first flight
Replies: 17
Views: 3781

Re: 737-size Chinese amphibian first flight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDeCJqfM7wc
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It's a copy of the Shinmaywa US-2.
That's all there is to say about it.

It's not easy to match the US-2's performance and operational capabilities http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDeCJqfM7wc

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by Waterbomber
Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

Wouldn't it be funny if Airbus comes in and swoops up Embraer as well? Unlikely but not impossible after all, as the E2 series is positioned below the CS300 and the CS100 isn't really what Airbus and airlines are pushing for. They could for instance make a swap: a JV share in the E2 program in excha...

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by Waterbomber
Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SSJ100 with new winglets
Replies: 33
Views: 6641

Re: SSJ100 with new winglets

Seen from the side, the engine, wing and winglet combo look a lot like a RR powered A330.

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by Waterbomber
Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ
Replies: 325
Views: 37657

Re: Boeing has held takeover talks with Embraer: WSJ

Japan would also never sell the MRJ program. Too much pride involved and think of the MRJ not as a final goal, but a foot in the door for the Japanese. Boeing didn't give Japan a huge workshare on the B777X even back in the days that they took a JAL order for granted, and who knows how much workshar...

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by Waterbomber
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Brussels: Why such a big chaos with so little snow
Replies: 44
Views: 8646

Re: Brussels: Why such a big chaos with so little snow

It was actually more than just a little bit of snow. I was in Brussels just as it started to happen. I was driving and at first it was raining and the temperature was showing 1°C. That in itself was weird as it should have been snowing. Then the temperature dropped to -1°C and it was still raining a...

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by Waterbomber
Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1
Replies: 243
Views: 53071

Re: MRJ - Flight Test & Production Part 1

MITAC could not team up on the Cseries.
Remember that their parent company is a major Boeing supplier.

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