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by BroadwayLimited
Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 3128
Views: 549870

Re: AA Facing Summer Cancellations and Crewing Issues

Hey even my local Chick-Filet is closing early at 8PM. Staffing shortage!

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by BroadwayLimited
Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: LAS to be renamed for Harry Reid
Replies: 138
Views: 18132

Re: Official: LAS to be renamed for Harry Reid

Airports, roadways, and government buildings should not be named for politicians. I have said it numerous times, they should be named after a serviceman who died in battle, defending the United States.

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by BroadwayLimited
Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020
Replies: 1143
Views: 197870

Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

The second or third day of every month, Delta always gives a passenger summary of the previous month. Have not seen one for February. If they did one for February, I missed it.

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by BroadwayLimited
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will Delta add new International routes from ATL
Replies: 61
Views: 10398

Re: When will Delta add new International routes from ATL

I still think Berlin - Atlanta would make sense. Delta777Jet...as has already been noticed, can you PLEASE revise you signature into two, or three lines. Having to scroll across this topic on not only a computer but an iPad, and iPhone, because your signature is so long, makes this topic extremely ...

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by BroadwayLimited
Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing announces first annual net loss since 1997
Replies: 126
Views: 17464

Re: Boeing announces first annual net loss since 1997

Valuejet rebranded when they bought AirTran. Worked out pretty good for them.

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by BroadwayLimited
Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC
Replies: 114
Views: 17815

Re: OAG Changes 11/17/2019:4O Adds CUN-MIA,LAX-MTY;AA Cuts JFK Again;DL Exits PAP;UA Exits ELM, LAX-PSC

You have to wonder how much longer AA can hold out in NY? Even LGA is seeing cuts. If I was WN or B6 I would be calling AA about an NYC asset sale. AA did a real hack job on JFK flights! By my little calculations, this update shows AA down approximately 15 flights at JFK from a year ago, (not month...

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by BroadwayLimited
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/10/2019: AA Exits BWI-PHX;B6 Adds DCA-MVY;DY Drops JFK-MAD;G4 Exits FNL?;SY
Replies: 89
Views: 13698

Re: OAG Changes 11/10/2019: AA Exits BWI-PHX;B6 Adds DCA-MVY;DY Drops JFK-MAD;G4 Exits FNL?;SY

"KE ICN-LAX MAY 2>3[2] JUN 2>3[2] JUL 2>3[2] AUG 2>3[2]" Looks like KE is starting a third flight on this route. Not sure if this is year round, or seasonal. Is this because of the new JV with DL,.or is it a preemptive move to make sure possibly AA does not start the route? Or both?

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by BroadwayLimited
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/10/2019: AA Exits BWI-PHX;B6 Adds DCA-MVY;DY Drops JFK-MAD;G4 Exits FNL?;SY
Replies: 89
Views: 13698

Re: OAG Changes 11/10/2019: AA Exits BWI-PHX;B6 Adds DCA-MVY;DY Drops JFK-MAD;G4 Exits FNL?;SY

WA707atMSP wrote:
It's a shame SkyWest hasn't been able to make this route work since the Brasilias were retired.

I flew this route MANY times back in the early 90's with Skywest/(Delta Connection), Loved those little Brasilias, and the low altitude of that short flight! Great little flight!

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by BroadwayLimited
Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United posts Q3 2019 results
Replies: 79
Views: 21911

Re: United posts Q3 2019 results

Net Income - Airline - Total Revenue - Margin +$68,068 Delta $745,153 9.13% +$14,612 United $1,306,504 1.12% -$604 Hawaiian $180,328 -0.33% -$93,341 American $497,414 -18.77% -$11,265 Passenger $2,729,399 -0.41% -$98 Polar $257,062 -0.04% +$12,432 UPS $289,641 4.29% -$276,899 Fedex $1,118,098 -24.7...

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by BroadwayLimited
Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: On Their Own, Delta Provides Charter Flight to 'Stranded' Cross-Country Team
Replies: 67
Views: 12435

Re: On Their Own, Delta Provides Charter Flight to 'Stranded' Cross-Country Team

Oh good grief. The joys of social media/forums. Delta does something nice for a group of kids, and everybody can't wait to find something negative. Disgusting.

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by BroadwayLimited
Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW/ORD
Replies: 125
Views: 23748

Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

December JFK goes down from 109 average daily flights to only 76 average. It's not just the holiday period that got whacked. For example, the first Thursday of the month December 6th went from 109 departures to 73. It’s worth noting that AA further cut PHL in the winter. I haven’t looked for upgaug...

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by BroadwayLimited
Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW/ORD
Replies: 125
Views: 23748

Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

So many people complaining about JFK cuts and no one addressing the fact that they are in a permanent and unaddressable #3 spot due to slots and airspace. How do you propose they get to profitability? It seems you all want a return to status quo where AA lost money just because "the market is ...

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by BroadwayLimited
Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW/ORD
Replies: 125
Views: 23748

Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

Here is what I'm sure everyone at AA management knows, but won't tell their NYC crew. All those high value customers have moved to DL. They aren't coming back unless DL starts cutting routes or product. And that clearly isn't happening. Without those ff, DL will continue to eat their lunch in NYC. ...

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by BroadwayLimited
Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW/ORD
Replies: 125
Views: 23748

Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

      Between the couple of AA additions at JFK, but mainly AA subtractions, it looks like Dec/Jan will show approximately 12 fewer JFK flights.
      Max related?

      Thanks again Enilria!

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:31 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 8/25/2019: WN Moves Cuts to NOV;AA STS-DFW/LAX;DL Reduces PUJ
      Replies: 51
      Views: 11869

      Re: OAG Changes 8/25/2019: WN Moves Cuts to NOV;AA STS-DFW/LAX;DL Reduces PUJ

      As always, GREAT report. Thanks! Two questions: 1. Is Guam part of this report, whenever there are changes? 2. How long does it take you on an average Sunday to put this report together? Again, thanks for all your work!!! That’s a good question. I believe GUM is included. I require one of the two c...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:41 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 8/25/2019: WN Moves Cuts to NOV;AA STS-DFW/LAX;DL Reduces PUJ
      Replies: 51
      Views: 11869

      Re: OAG Changes 8/25/2019: WN Moves Cuts to NOV;AA STS-DFW/LAX;DL Reduces PUJ

      As always, GREAT report. Thanks!

      Two questions:
      1. Is Guam part of this report, whenever there are changes?
      2. How long does it take you on an average Sunday to put this report together?

      Again, thanks for all your work!!!

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:26 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: The 5 New "T" Gates in ATL
      Replies: 65
      Views: 13233

      Re: The 5 New "T" Gates in ATL

      I’ve never understood two things about ATL. 1. Why were A-D not designed the same width? I get that they served different purposes at the time but there seems to have been no forethought as to future growth 2. The simplicity of ATL’s A-D parallel concourses design was great. Why was it not carried ...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:11 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: The 5 New "T" Gates in ATL
      Replies: 65
      Views: 13233

      Re: The 5 New "T" Gates in ATL

      Don’t forget boys and girls, the current Atlanta airport was designed in a different era, like a lot of America’s airports. A, B, and C, were designed by Delta and Eastern. Delta of course originally had A, and the south half of B. Eastern had the north half of B, and C. And of course, remember, Eas...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:18 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: VS Virgin Atlantic and South America
      Replies: 20
      Views: 4921

      Re: VS Virgin Atlantic and South America

      One answer...slots...slots...slots. As mentioned, they do not have a BA portfolio of slots.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:31 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Updated: DL, VS boost summer flying between U.S. and U.K. in 2020
      Replies: 69
      Views: 17720

      Re: Delta international announcement later today

      jayunited wrote:
      kavok wrote:
      Where are the LHR slots coming from? Is DL/VS dropping LHR flights to other locations to make these adds happen?

      Later on we will find out what frequency or route was cut to make room for DL's 3x daily JFK-LHR.

      Read up thread. No cuts. One additional frequency for 2020.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:04 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Updated: American Airlines Increases International Presence, Makes First Entrance Into Africa
      Replies: 509
      Views: 120090

      Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

      https://twitter.com/americanair/status/ ... 52642?s=21

      You would think that AA would have a picture of the plane, painted in their new colors, on the top of their official twitter page. Not the old colors.
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      Miami wrote:

      You would think that AA would have a picture of the plane, painted in their new colors, on the top of their official twitter page. Not the old colors.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:33 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL
      Replies: 361
      Views: 90521

      Re: Unconfirmed: DL closing NRT. Suspends NRT-SIN, Announces ICN-MNL

      DL is weird in that there's a internal announcement but NO press release. I'd thought this would be confirmed with a press release by now. I doubt if they will do a public press release on all of this, until the DOT gives final approval of the Haneda slots. That must be coming anytime, or they woul...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:32 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD
      Replies: 58
      Views: 12858

      Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

      row44seatk wrote:
      Sounds like you haven't experienced the current FLL terminal nightmare.

      Before I retired, (just recently), I was in South Florida a lot on business. And yes, I still avoided Miami.

      My first choice when flying to South Florida was West Palm Beach. Loved that little airport. FLL was 2nd choice.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:55 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD
      Replies: 58
      Views: 12858

      Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

      N292UX wrote:
      JFK-BOG seems like a rather logical add for DL, and I'm pretty surprised they hadn't already added it. Where did they get the slot from?

      i would assume they just drop a flight to somewhere, and add the BOG flight.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:50 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD
      Replies: 58
      Views: 12858

      Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

      Maybe it is that a lot of the traffic between South Florida and AZ is based in Broward County. I know when I lived in South Florida for three years, I avoided Miami airport at all costs. I flew out of FLL, even if it meant connecting, versus a non-stop option out of Miami. Most of my colleagues did...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:49 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 7/21/2019: AA Reduces MYR;WC Adds DAL;MAX Cuts
      Replies: 69
      Views: 11298

      Re: OAG Changes 7/21/2019: AA Reduces MYR;WC Adds DAL;MAX Cuts

      And who said or suggested AR was well managed? I just clarified the assumption you had and why JFK service is being partially cut for the summer. Get off your high horse. Calm down, and you owe enilria an apology. No need to get upset. enilria is possibly the most respected poster on this site. No ...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:23 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.
      Replies: 95
      Views: 14856

      Re: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.

      I don't think DTW and MSP were generating revenue premiums 10-15 years ago for NWA and then Delta either. The core question remains, why is Delta now abe to generate that revenue premium? DTW and MSP both earn a much higher revenue premium today than they did 10-15 years ago. Take some time to educ...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:39 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.
      Replies: 95
      Views: 14856

      Re: Delta Air Lines June 2019 Operating Performance.

      Another PR fluff piece People on this board can be so negative. It really is sad. If you don't like a particular airline, for whatever reason, no need to bash it. Just go fly somebody else. You have plenty of choices. This used to be a fun board, a positive board. Now so many people can't wait to s...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:01 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AA sues IAM-TWU Association over alleged slowdown
      Replies: 267
      Views: 26963

      Re: AA sues IAM-TWU Association over alleged slowdown

      Mods...this thread is going off topic. Time to close

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:38 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: MLB Charter Flights to London
      Replies: 24
      Views: 6489

      Re: MLB Charter Flights to London

      mwhcvt wrote:
      In the past hasn’t VS done the flights for these London games?

      NFL football...not MLB. This is the first time regular season MLB is being played in London.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:21 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Aerolíneas Argentinas to start EZE-MCO in December
      Replies: 3
      Views: 809

      Re: Aerolíneas Argentinas to start EZE-MCO in December

      I assume Delta codeshare also.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:20 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AR return to MCO in December
      Replies: 32
      Views: 3853

      Re: AR return to MCO in December

      I assume Delta codeshare also.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Thu May 09, 2019 1:35 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: American Airlines Admits It Has No Brand Purpose
      Replies: 103
      Views: 25495

      Re: American Airlines Admits It Has No Brand Purpose

      The best example I can give you on this is as follows..... I have flown Delta most of my career. (retired now). I flew AA at times, when they were more convenient. Many, many, times, and I do mean MANY times, to help get a plane out on time, I would always see any deadheading Delta flight attendants...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:23 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AA Q1 2019 Results
      Replies: 54
      Views: 9146

      Re: AA Q1 2019 Results

      Just finished listening to the call. Interesting commentary that the Pacific was the best performing entity led by Hong Kong & Japan outperforming both Atlantic & Latin. China improved too with code-shares to interior China out of PEK/PVG on CZ. Finally AA is making profits in the Pacific a...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:43 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AA Q1 2019 Results
      Replies: 54
      Views: 9146

      Re: AA Q1 2019 Results

      Duplicate

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:38 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AA Q1 2019 Results
      Replies: 54
      Views: 9146

      Re: AA Q1 2019 Results

      Duplicate

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:37 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AA Q1 2019 Results
      Replies: 54
      Views: 9146

      Re: AA Q1 2019 Results

      At this point, DL's reputation has been so polished for a while that it can price themselves above the competition. The chances of them dropping the ball (cancellations, baggage loss, major delays) are significantly less in my experience than flying the competition. And if they screw up, they'll gi...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:34 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: AA Q1 2019 Results
      Replies: 54
      Views: 9146

      Re: AA Q1 2019 Results

      tphuang wrote:
      WN has a national network and has been around for a long time. I would say comparing them to DL is pretty fair.

      100% agree.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:46 pm
      Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
      Topic: DL in ATL 4/19
      Replies: 28
      Views: 4403

      Re: DL in ATL 4/19

      Delta has ~3,800 flights a day that don't start or end in ATL. Command of fact is useful. Don't forget, just because a lot of the flights don't start or end in Atlanta, a LOT of those flights have to GET their aircraft earlier in the day, from Atlanta. So yes, Atlanta being shut down, does affect t...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:57 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type
      Replies: 143
      Views: 27029

      Re: DL S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

      Hey Midwestindy,

      GREAT charts!!! Do Honolulu and/or Anchorage fit into those charts?

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:57 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: United Airlines posts Q1 earnings
      Replies: 15
      Views: 5375

      Re: United Airlines posts Q1 earnings

      capejet wrote:
      AA reports April 26.

      Why does AA wait so long in April to report? Is there a business reason they wait until the end of the month?

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:25 am
      Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
      Topic: Good ol' ATL TSA
      Replies: 16
      Views: 2780

      Re: Good ol' ATL TSA

      I always wonder how one of the biggest airports in the world, (sorry, the biggest) manages to do this process so well when so many others, even smaller regional airports like STL, can't. Hats off to them. I don't know the numbers, but is Atlanta the biggest O&D airport? Yes, they are the bigges...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:11 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Questions about the final year of Eastern
      Replies: 127
      Views: 18058

      Re: Questions about the final year of Eastern

      Question I have always had about the shutdown. The day of the shutdown, I was in Chickasha, Oklahoma on business. That night, I flew back to Atlanta from Oklahoma City, on Delta. When I got back to Atlanta that night, it was so sad to see, all of those Eastern planes just sitting/parked everywhere. ...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:51 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
      Replies: 684
      Views: 125482

      Re: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT

      tphuang wrote:
      There seems to be a genuine madness going on here. There is no where aa can put these flights which would not end up hemorrhaging money. Why are they trying so hard to keep dl and ua from getting them? Let dl and ua get their slots and loose money with it. This is complete insanity.

      100% agree.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:01 am
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: OAG Changes 11/4/2018:AA Adds ORD-ABE/SCE,DCA-HHH;FI Delays CLE;ET Swaps LAX-DUB for LAX-LFW
      Replies: 65
      Views: 13057

      Re: OAG Changes 11/4/2018:AA Adds ORD-ABE/SCE,DCA-HHH;FI Delays CLE;ET Swaps LAX-DUB for LAX-LFW

      enilria wrote:
      Didn't DL also add a roundtrip to LHR next Summer split over two hubs? So that's 2 rts worth of LHR slots.

      Yes, split between Portland and Detroit.

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:46 am
      Forum: Non-Aviation
      Topic: Former Delta President Jim Whitehurst to get possible BIG paycheck!
      Replies: 8
      Views: 2307

      Former Delta President Jim Whitehurst to get possible BIG paycheck!

      From BusinessInsider.com: "Here's who will get richer when IBM buys Red Hat for $34 billion" - "Red Hat President Jim Whitehurst could make over $72 million from the deal." Something tells me that things worked out very well for Jim, when he left/or got let go by Delta! https://w...

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      by BroadwayLimited
      Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:05 pm
      Forum: Civil Aviation
      Topic: Delta proposes MSP-PVG
      Replies: 124
      Views: 18247

      Re: Delta proposes MSP-PVG

      This is 100% aimed at AA.

      AA is saying/asking that they want their dormant routes held until next fall 2019. This is Delta's way of saying, either fly them by the fall or 2019, or we want them. Nothing more!

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