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by keesje
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64205

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements

The 321 was already outselling Boeing by far. They were in no need to rush things as they were making plenty of money. the a320 leads the nb market, but only by like 8%. why not hit boeing while they're down and further the lead? Are you referring to the A320neo family as a whole as I calculate rou...

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by keesje
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64205

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements

The list of airlines that could buy/convert to A321XLR keeps growing,
It could be more than 3-4. Mentioned are:
- Airasia
- Jetblue
- AA
- MEA
- United
- IAG
- Indigo
- Azul
- Air Malta
- LEVEL
- Lufthansa Group
- Icelandair
- Wizz Air
I remember A spread NEO's out over the week

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by keesje
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 257
Views: 48008

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

Everybody needs to remember that while Boeing really can't talk about its strategy until the MAX is back in the air, it doesn't have to stop executing on the strategy. We don't know what is happening with NMA. Everything that has been used as evidence in this thread, including the articles, is spec...

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by keesje
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will Boeing Brasil let the E175-E2 just fall off the table?
Replies: 49
Views: 6777

Re: Will Boeing Brasil let the E175-E2 just fall off the table?

Most OE's publicly stand solidly behind their long term strategy moving forward, until the moment they changed it. I believe Boeing Brasil / Embraer can retain their healthy marketshare US domestic, but not with the E175-E2 Like MHI on the MRJ70 and Boeing with the 737-7, they probably need to adjus...

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by keesje
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 257
Views: 48008

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

Nothing new really. We have known about Boeing’s dilemma for over a decade now. We are still waiting for Boeing’s move. Everything changed. - 737 lost marketshare since MAX launch - 737-7 & 737-9 had to be upgraded to keep customers - Airbus bought A220 & started selling, working toward 14/...

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by keesje
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 257
Views: 48008

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

Pressure is building on Boeing to come with a credible NB strategy for the next 10-15 yrs, according to Bloomberg. The 737MAX will do just fine until 2030- and -the 5000 MAX backlog is solid- are disputed assumptions at this stage. The cat-and-mouse game over jets to be rolled out during the next de...

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by keesje
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will Boeing Brasil let the E175-E2 just fall off the table?
Replies: 49
Views: 6777

Will Boeing Brasil let the E175-E2 just fall off the table?

It seems Boeing Brasil has some choices to make on their <100 regional portfolio / market strategy. :arrow: 40% of regional aircraft demand is in the America's :arrow: E175 has been succesfull with US regionals in recent years :arrow: E175-E2 doesn't meet scope clause MTOW for 76 passengers restrict...

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by keesje
Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:42 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Sarah Huckabee Sanders to resign; return to Arkansas for possible governor's run
Replies: 71
Views: 2379

Re: Sarah Huckabee Sanders to resign; return to Arkansa for possible governor's run

A person can only take so much humiliation from having to try to defend the indefensible. She tried her best and was a nasty as she had to be to try to defend trump but I think she may have had about enough of looking like a complete lying fool. It also could have been that after trumps horrific co...

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by keesje
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 257
Views: 48008

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

Aisle seats produce revenue if people pay a direct premium for them. People may indirectly pay for 2-2-2, just like they pay for free bags, by choosing a consistent preferred product versus a competitor. Also, there are indirect saved costs from turnaround times, customer relaxation, crew relaxatio...

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by keesje
Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1307
Views: 222309

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

2 years later, well that should hardly make a difference for QF :slaphappy:

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by keesje
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3013
Views: 295531

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

We can try to divert, distract, generalize, ask for proof of a undetermined schedule, but the FAA boss said a return to service for the 737MAX by the end of 2019 sounded correct. So far Boeing has been quiet about that. If they expect / believe something else, they would have responded. And lets st...

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by keesje
Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3013
Views: 295531

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

While the FAA is “under a lot of pressure,” he said the Max will be returned to service “when we believe it will be safe,” following reviews of the design, flight testing and other checks. Bahrami was reluctant to provide a timeline, but asked whether the plane would resume service this year or nex...

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by keesje
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3013
Views: 295531

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

China (CAAC) put another $30B on the table. The 737MAX and 777X are on the table. Maybe EK, FAA and UA can join for a few wines at the chalet next week. An opportunity for everyone to show how tough they are at this stage. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3013289/boeing-and-chinese-airlines-t...

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by keesje
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3013
Views: 295531

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Has this been posted already? 7 hrs ago.. Boeing 737 Max to be flying again by December, FAA official says https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/boeing-737-max-be-flying-again-december-faa-official-says If that will be the case w'll see further production cuts. Unless you can build and store 400 a...

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by keesje
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3013
Views: 295531

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

[ I think you need a lot of text & colour to explain the scandalous FAA / AA media differences between end year and December. :bigthumbsup: December is all over the place & Boeing keeps quiet. Did you even check? https://www.google.com/search?q=737MAX+boeing+FAA+december&rlz=1C1GCEA_enN...

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by keesje
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3013
Views: 295531

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

What part of "the aircraft will be ready by Aug 19", "a highly likely possibility (...) that we’d be able to provide that service by Sept. 3" and "that decision merely reflected monthly scheduling plans for crew" doesn't make sense? Maybe Parker will sign off release t...

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by keesje
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3013
Views: 295531

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

His explanation for canceling fights till Sep 3 makes zero sense. What part of "the aircraft will be ready by Aug 19", "a highly likely possibility (...) that we’d be able to provide that service by Sept. 3" and "that decision merely reflected monthly scheduling plans for c...

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by keesje
Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64205

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements

ILNFlyer wrote:
I predict there will be no 737 Max 8 orders. :crazy:


Indeed FAA is mentioning december now, a bad sign. Not good for the admosphere in the marketplace / Paris.

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by keesje
Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3013
Views: 295531

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Has this been posted already? 7 hrs ago.. Boeing 737 Max to be flying again by December, FAA official says https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/boeing-737-max-be-flying-again-december-faa-official-says If that will be the case w'll see further production cuts. Unless you can build and store 400 ai...

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by keesje
Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64205

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements

I think for the Paris Airshow, at this stage, communication/ perception management is extremely important. Specially for an OE in the corner. I expect to see some news leaking friday / the week-end as part of an effort the grab headlines, avoid topics, deflect attention, move goal posts, pre-empt th...

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by keesje
Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Operational Weak Spots of the Airbus A321NEO/LR Discussion Thread
Replies: 80
Views: 30889

Re: Operational Weak Spots of the Airbus A321NEO/LR Discussion Thread

The XLR will be a good test of Airbus’s ability to make incremental improvements without disrupting production, sales or commonality for operators. Wing improvements are one or several big unanswered questions. Just a MAX-style wingtip treatment? Or something more substantial? We haven’t really had...

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by keesje
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:40 am
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Throwing all subtopics on a big, chaotic heap with x00.000 views, 1000 posts . Centralizing..
Replies: 13
Views: 1916

Re: Throwing all subtopics on a big, chaotic heap with x00.000 views, 1000 posts . Centralizing..

I am sorry. When threads get to 5K and weeks old I lose interest in engaging or even reading. These monster threads are unbelievably complex. I vote to return to at least some subdivision threads. I can't believe the majority of the community likes these Godzillas. And lately, some of these monster...

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by keesje
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 165
Views: 27791

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

How can the CASM be on par with an A380, which has four relatively old (15 years) engines, vs two relatively modern dryers on the 777-9X. If it turns out to be similar then that is quite bad surely. CASM is a playing tool for marketing. You can use the published seatcount that helps your end coclus...

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by keesje
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:44 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: RNZAF chooses C130Js to replace its C130Hs
Replies: 29
Views: 1915

Re: RNZAF chooses C130Js to replace its C130Hs

Maybe too early for the KC-390 to be a serious option.

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by keesje
Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64205

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements

A BLOW FOR BOEING 797? AMERICAN CONSIDERS A321XLR Source American Airlines is considering to buy the A321XLS to replace its last 34 Boeing 757-200. If that happens it will be a blow for Boeing and its 797. The order might be announced at the Paris Airshow, or it might be too soon. This was discusse...

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by keesje
Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:25 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest flight where same aircraft turns around in the same calendar day?
Replies: 6
Views: 1951

Re: Longest flight where same aircraft turns around in the same calendar day?

I remember KL747s doing AMS-IAH-AMS in a day, the same aircraft 7 days a week.
Just enough time inbetween flights to off-load, check-fix, drain, clean, refuel, cater, load cargo, pax, crew.
Pretty efficient operation :)

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by keesje
Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64205

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements

I bet if U turn Al orders 40plus 797.s, Boeing will not be picky regarding launch customers.. Most definitely several launch customers. IMHO :roll: :checkmark: strong airline interest, :checkmark: market projections confirmation, :checkmark: launching customers pushing, :checkmark: CEO's promising ...

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by keesje
Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 255
Views: 66982

Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

After a few years in passenger service, it seems the CSeries / A220 is doing pretty well in service with regards to reliability, fuel efficiency & passenger feed-back. We now have to see how the hours are going to work on the aircraft (engines, SB, AD's, checks) but all is still under warrantly....

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by keesje
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 255
Views: 66982

Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Korean Air is interested in a stretched variant of the Airbus A220, Cho Won-tae say so. https://airlinerwatch.com/korean-air-is-interested-in-a-stretched-variant-of-the-airbus-a220/ but we seem to agree getting production rates up / reducing cost per unit is the highest priorityfor Airbus Canada. .

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by keesje
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 165
Views: 27791

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

Delays or not, Reuters is reporting Korean air Lines is going to order 777X and Parisian Airshow next week. That would be a good win for Boeing. Airbus and Boeing have been competiting for the 777 replacement a Korean for a long time. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-airshow-orders/planema...

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by keesje
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 165
Views: 27791

Re: 777X First Flight Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

Trent does have lower takeoff and climb fuel burn. Data I've seen, GE has 2% lower cruise fuel burn, equal fuel consumption at 4000nm. GE has longer overhaul intervals, but less than 10k in practice. Much longer than RR if flying into highly polluted cities right now. No engines are ever identical....

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by keesje
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 165
Views: 27791

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

I remember from the GE90 GE had am ambitious break-even point, that they probably hit at some point, but not early. Reading Lightsaber's overview of new technology, the GE9x will probably see a high breakeven number too. Probably it is better to spread out the technologic advances than put all your ...

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by keesje
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 165
Views: 27791

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

If GE invested so much in the GE9x there would pressure to get significant ROI and the 777X program, as it looks now, won't offer that. Probably they will go for a GENX upgrade using new technology, to become available around 2025, like the geared Ultrafan.

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by keesje
Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:12 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: A400M Update Thread 2019
Replies: 160
Views: 21463

Re: A400M Update Thread 2019

Further, you still haven't provided a valid use case for operating the A400m Are you serious? I guess fast putting new generation Marines vehicles in the dirt, close to the action. The MPC, ACV's, 2 LAV's with turrets, Venoms, etc. The Hercules & C-17 can't move big loads to dirt strips. Why do...

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by keesje
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 165
Views: 27791

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

Dennis Muilenburg send out a pre-warning last week. “I don't see anything there right now that would significantly alter the timeline for the 777X, but it's possible we could see something that would alter the content of the test program or how we go about certification”. “The other pacing item for ...

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by keesje
Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3013
Views: 295531

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

If the goal of putting everything MAX into one mega thread, where nobody can find back anything & 10 sub topics come & come back, to suppress usefull exchange of information, that seems successful. It has become a useless monsterthread. Pitty..

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by keesje
Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 257
Views: 48008

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

actually, would it be more meaningful to use OEW as one of the axis? It will show more clearly the difference imo I actually tried various parameters. However, OEW and Payload information is not available for 737MAX except 8MAX. This is a ghost plane. I would appreciate if somebody could provide th...

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by keesje
Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus to launch longer range A321 and not chase market share
Replies: 116
Views: 34999

Re: Airbus to launch longer range A321 and not chase market share

I think both Airbus & Boeing would get more benefit of a wide single aisle (like MS-21), where you can get past someone putting luggage into overhead bin rather than 2 narrow aisles which both block up when people try to load overhead bins. Going to be difficult to have 777-style massive overhe...

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by keesje
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus to launch longer range A321 and not chase market share
Replies: 116
Views: 34999

Re: Airbus to launch longer range A321 and not chase market share

I think an A321 seat is wider than most 787 / 777 seats. If the cabin is quieter too and it has same knee space & IFE I would prefer an A321. I hate the shoulder rubbing on narrow 777, 787 seats.

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by keesje
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?
Replies: 161
Views: 23166

Re: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?

90% of routes ... :roll: One more time, who needs 50-55 t??? Answer : Very few airlines when you compared A330's VS A359 orders since 15 last years! Checklist787, most A350 / 787 leave close to MTOW. You know the passenger load, fuel, OEW. The difference towards MTOW is cargo. So if you put in 300 ...

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by keesje
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?
Replies: 161
Views: 23166

Re: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?

Let's stop assuming WB flights in the 4000-7000NM don't need revenue cargo from hot places in Asia. Let's assume 15t.

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by keesje
Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?
Replies: 161
Views: 23166

Re: What does the Rumored 6T MTOW Increase for the 787-10 Mean for the A359?

Thank you for an entertaining discussion. There's a bit of arrogance, conditions selection, half truths in there but that's acceptable. Who truly believes in long haul WB flights without 10-15t of cargo or CEO's to be taken literary.. :beady: Thanks VV for sharing an xls with his insights. That's ni...

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by keesje
Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 255
Views: 66982

Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mario, great info! You put a lot of time and effort in collecting & structuring. Maybe you can considering spreading it out in a number of post & reducing hot links and logo's. Otherwise it is hard to read and process ;). Still great to have you here

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by keesje
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders
Replies: 164
Views: 46111

Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Adam Pilarski's latest opinion piece on Aviation Week states the current Aviation Order Bubble is about to burst. If he is correct, PAS might not be a mega-order show. (Free Subscription Required) https://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/opinion-there-s-aircraft-order-bubble-and-it-about-burst?...

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by keesje
Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 242
Views: 39128

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

Korean Air considers the A220-500 would be a good match, if offered: https://www.aero.de/news-31824/Korean-Air-interessiert-an-gestreckter-A220.html sorry, German only In earlier estimation I made it showed a streched A220-500 would give in on payload-range / container capability. If that's not imp...

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by keesje
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Mitsubishi finalising deal for acquisition of CRJ programme according to FlightGlobal
Replies: 220
Views: 18672

Re: Updated: Mitsubishi finalising deal for acquisition of CRJ programme according to FlightGlobal

Mitsubishi seem only to be interested in Bombardier maintenance part. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Business-deals/Bombardier-tells-Mitsubishi-no-cherry-picking-in-jet-talks I am not really surprised. Bombardier Inc. refused Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd.'s initial offer for the acquisition of...

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by keesje
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders
Replies: 164
Views: 46111

Re: Airbus And Boeing 2019 Orders

Lewton wrote:
So it was a good month for Airbus as the total orders went up. :twisted:


Yes. Let's hope June will be better.

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by keesje
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says
Replies: 242
Views: 39128

Re: Airbus A220 Developments : more of a match for A320neo than Airbus says

One of the reason Airbus kept on selling A319 and developped the A319NEo was that most ACJ's are A319 based. Today's news, coincidentally with the announced A220 range boost: https://www.lufthansa-technik.com/press-releases/-/asset_publisher/Xix57wMv0mow/content/press-release-skyretreat?p_p_auth=0Q...

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by keesje
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements
Replies: 357
Views: 64205

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossip, Announcements

And here, I'll stir the pot a bit.... :stirthepot: :stirthepot: So the lore has long been that DL finds the 788 and 789 too heavy to replace its 767s but too small for the 77E market; the 78X decently sized by too short ranged. Well last December, Justin Hale and Emily Sylvester (Boeing's 787 produ...

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