This is a real logical contortion. The City of San Francisco is “monopolizing” the use of their own city name? And Oakland should have every right to give itself the a confusingly similar name? Well this is going to be litigated, but if “San Francisco” were only the name of the city and nothing els...
Jump to postlol yes SFO actually somewhat prefers the status quo, wherein they get to monopolize the use of the well-known name of the center city and the region. This is a real logical contortion. The City of San Francisco is “monopolizing” the use of their own city name? And Oakland should have every right t...
Jump to postZiyulu wrote:Can OAK handle an A380?
lol yes SFO actually somewhat prefers the status quo, wherein they get to monopolize the use of the well-known name of the center city and the region. If another airport also uses that name, some travelers might go there instead of SFO, which would be bad for SFO. If they're so worried about confus...
Jump to postlol yes SFO actually somewhat prefers the status quo, wherein they get to monopolize the use of the well-known name of the center city and the region. If another airport also uses that name, some travelers might go there instead of SFO, which would be bad for SFO. If they're so worried about confuse...
Jump to postAlaska Airlines jumped in: On Tuesday, Alaska Airlines, which serves all Bay Area airports offering commercial service, joined the opposition to the name change. “We believe a name change to the proposed ‘San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport’ could cause confusion and potential inconveni...
Jump to postTheir true colors are showing, afraid of some flights to be shifted across the bay. Not really surprising, as they always do with the overshadowing on the city of Oakland. San Francisco sure loves to speak over Oakland on any taskforce that would hurt SF. The only way to get more flights is to chan...
Jump to postChanging the name of a thing usually solves all the problems. :biggrin: Honestly, one of the big hurdles for OAK as an international gateway will be the groundside services. The lounge situation is substandard. The major carrier at OAK doesn't belong to an alliance. It will be a great choice for le...
Jump to postSFO officially protests: >>SFO Expresses Serious Concerns Over Oakland International Airport's Proposed Renaming Effort Airport anticipates customer confusion, especially abroad SAN FRANCISCO – April 1, 2024 – The San Francisco International Airport (SFO) expressed serious concerns over a proposed ...
Jump to postit's not out of the question to think that a lot of smaller and medium sized carriers will eventually end up sending their traffic to OAK to save money and reduce delays. Airlines like Westjet, Porter, some AC, Flair, Sun Country, JetBlue, and maybe even Hawaiian/Alaska might be better off sending ...
Jump to postWasn't it a DEN only station when they closed it? Yes it was. UA had previously served ORD, SEA, LAX, BUR, ONT, PDX, SNA (EWR for at least a bit I recall) just looking at a few data points in the 90s before WN took over everything. Unless we are talking about the pre-deregulation era, OAK-EWR was b...
Jump to postMaybe DEN-OAK and LAX-OAK could make money, but I doubt it. I agree expanding SJC would be much more wise. SJC will eventually have more tech business travel return. There’s no business travel at OAK. Definitely not LAX-OAK. That would be a money pit. UA can't even make LAX-SJC work. If UA went bac...
Jump to postA very fractured local market is exactly why you would serve OAK. The main problem with OAK is that its so WN dominant and there is little room to expand or to carve into it. There isnt a huge advantage to being there. It would be wiser to expand SJC. OAK will have a new large Terminal 1 by the end...
Jump to postCathay diverted to OAK, gassed up, tried again at SFO and is now diverting to LAX https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CPA ... /KOAK/KLAX
Jump to postYes, you're reading that correctly. At least that was the plan. I expect it to happen eventually. Long term, we can use the Airport Development Plan, I think from 2016, for guidance. It's a little outdated, but I think a lot holds. But other than a B/A H, there isn't much that would expand the numb...
Jump to postKC-135 is still doing laps today. What is the point of this? https://www.flightradar24.com/32d928cc To refuel the other airplanes supporting the Biden/Xi meeting. And by this we mean fueling up the fighter CAP. Have fighters been in the air? I haven't heard or seen anything, but I've been mostly in...
Jump to postKC-135 is still doing laps today. What is the point of this? https://www.flightradar24.com/32d928cc
Jump to postAF1 landed at SFO about 30 minutes ago. Air Force KC-135 is still doing laps https://www.flightradar24.com/32d5bb86
Jump to postryu2 wrote:APEC summit is happening soon in SF Nov 11-17. Anyone have any info on what/when VIP aircraft will be arriving into SFO?
ucdtim17 wrote:New airline announcement from OAK tomorrow https://twitter.com/IFlyOAKland/status/ ... 0873497934
New airline announcement from OAK tomorrow https://twitter.com/IFlyOAKland/status/ ... 0873497934
Jump to postDid SNA open up on time the next morning? Seems like the logistics of getting this off the runway wouldn't be that simple at midnight. They had people available to prop up the left side of the plane somehow and tow it off the runway?
Jump to postWant to know something wild? More often than not, 90%+ of flights of SFO run on time like they should and have a gate on arrival.OAK > Walk uncovered mostly across the lot to AirBart > Connect onto Regular SF bound BART (as not all trains passing cross the Bay) vs SFO > BART > inside SF within unde...
Jump to postI don't know what "better gate access" means - OAK gates are closer and easier to access from an airport entry point than 90+% of SFO gates. Does OAK even have lounge access for the US3 carriers? I care a lot more about that then saving a few steps on the way to the gate. OAK has an Escap...
Jump to postWhat is one example of an airport that changed its name/rebranded and attracted new routes, frequencies, passenger traffic and profitability for doing so? None. Inept “authorities” listening to overpaid and equally inept marketing consultants leads to such wasteful spend. OAK should spend money on ...
Jump to postI'm willing to bet that there are a lot of East Bay-based UA Premiers like me who choose UA loyalty at SFO over the convenience of OAK, but who would love to see UA return at OAK. Scott Kirby told SFGATE in an interview in 2019 that UA was planning on returning to OAK, though obviously that hasn't ...
Jump to postIf you have the name San Francisco in the name of OAK's airport, it will absolutely cause confusion among less experienced travelers. I can see a problem with that. It might, but I don't see how it would be any worse that Chicago-Midway vs. Chicago-O'Hare, London-Heathrow vs. London-Gatwick, and th...
Jump to postI fly into the Bay Area often for work and will always avoid OAK if possible. I'll fly to SFO or SJC every time. SJC because of the simple rental car access and SFO due to the plethora of flight options from DEN. We have family in the Livermore area and they'd rather drive to SJC and fly out of the...
Jump to postIIRC it was over 30 years ago and I dont think it never got beyond the "talk" stage but there was an idea floating around of linking SFO and OAK with an under the bay tube. The idea was to make them "almost" the same airport. It would have been interesting and open a world of po...
Jump to postAgreed with everyone that it needs San Francisco in the name to be worth any change. Anything else will probably cause more confusion than it will create clarity. The terminals are being addressed separately. Draft EIR is out. New terminal will theoretically be built 2026-28 and current terminals wi...
Jump to postI was hoping OAK-PVR would be back for spring break. That seems like the sort of leisure route that should have returned a while ago.
Jump to postDraft EIR published for the OAK Terminal Modernization & Development plan. It envisions new 25 gate terminal being constructed in 2026-2028 period, followed by renovation of existing terminals in 2028-2030. Existing terminals will go from 29 to 20 gates, so net total will be increase from 29 to...
Jump to postDraft EIR published for the OAK Terminal Modernization & Development plan. It envisions new 25 gate terminal being constructed in 2026-2028 period, followed by renovation of existing terminals in 2028-2030. Existing terminals will go from 29 to 20 gates, so net total will be increase from 29 to ...
Jump to postI would be interested what the 20% increase at OAK would be. With the number of flights at OAK currently, that would simply be an added frequency to either PDX or SEA. As AC' pointed out, this is a pay-to-view article and I'd love to know what it says too! In fact, I find it hard to believe. For on...
Jump to postHas anything come of this yet? https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisc ... k-alk.html
Planned 20% expansion of ASM at SFO, SJC, and (surprisingly) OAK
Draft EIR for OAK Terminal Modernization & Development plan is scheduled to be released Summer 2023 (after two year process). https://www.oaklandairport.com/terminaldevelopment/
They are definitely not in any rush.
There were two F-18s parked by the private aviation buildings near 28R at PDX on Sunday; does anyone know what those are doing there?
Jump to postAnyone know what the deal is with this approach? https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /EHAM/KSFO
I noticed it flying over Oakland yesterday and have never seen a similar approach to SFO
Although OAK and SJC get most of SFO diverts, on bad wind days like we've had recently, SMF and LAX also get their share
Jump to postOZ212 to LAX.
LX38 to LAX
UA900 to SJC
BR18 to SJC.
Many to SMF.
Gusts to 73 at OAK. Some diversions to SMF - WN 787, NK 8825.
Jump to postAnother rough day at SFO. Landings on the 10s now. DHL 763 tried on 19s and is now diverting to SMF.
Jump to postSFFAN wrote:In addition to Denver, other targeted markets for the Sonoma County airport include Provo or Salt Lake City in Utah; Boise; Chicago; Boston and New York, he said.
SJC (11.33 million) a smidge ahead of OAK (11.15 million) in 2022 https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2023/01/25 ... State=true
Jump to post11,146,229 passengers for OAK in 2022, up 36.7% from 2021. 83.3% of 2019 level. https://www.oaklandairport.com/oakland- ... 1-million/
Jump to postSFO-EWR still appears to be placeholder post-May 5. I hope, at least
Jump to postWind advisory for strong north winds this afternoon. We may see arrivals on the 1s at some point.
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