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Re: 15 Years ago today- Last B717 delivered

I wonder how much better it would have been if they would have stuck the larger MD-80 wing on the 717 like they did the MD-87.

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Re: Kalitta Air New Livery

Not feeling it at all, less is not always better!

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Re: World’s oldest passenger 737-300 in operation turns 35

I flew on one of their 737-300s to Corfu, Greece two summers ago. I cannot remember which exact registration. It's got noise, I'll tell you that. I think all "modern" CFM powered 737's from 300-900 are sorta noisy the Max is a bit better although, not to mention the old -200 noisyyyyyy al...

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Re: Combi aircraft - an opportunity missed ?

Hi...I was thinking that with the current & future trend of more cargo and less passengers flying that Boeing and Airbus have missed a good opportunity to develop combi versions of their long-haul aircraft. Surely the flexibility to adapt from all pax to all cargo or a mix of the two would be i...

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Re: Golden Days at DFW

For a while before they closed the DFW hub, Delta flew DFW-FRA with an L1011-500; also flew DFW-HNL (I think with that airplane as well).[/quote] In the mid 90 till the route was dropped the ATL-DFW-HNL and reverse route FLT 16/17 was up gauged and operated with the L-1011-250. The -500 before it wa...

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Re: 2nd Samaritan's Purse DC-8?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qT77jaki6s

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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

A CBS special report just reported that U.S intelligence reported that they are confident than Iran shot it down. Stating that they picked up radars being turned on and US satellites detected 2 missiles being launched shortly before it came down.

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Re: White 727's 2 at DAL and ABQ

N615PA from Denton Dr in Dallas, Tx 11-10-19.

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Re: White 727's 2 at DAL and ABQ

N615PA from Denton Dr in Dallas, Tx 11-10-19.

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Re: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread

You will be missed by many hard aviation fans AA MD80's, just gonna make spotting more boring for many enthusiast with 90% of the remaining existing fleets looking so the same....2 engines under the wings without much personality!!!!! A well deserved rest for most of you AA MD80's & for you that...

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Re: French Bee has become an A350 only airline

Saw two A350s at Orly last week. I wander what airline it was. You can pack 3x4x3 into an A350 ? Yep, a 777-200 replacement. Yuup and people complain about the 777 with 3-4-3 and it's 10 in wider internally 19ft 3 in versus 18ft 5 in for the A350 internally. It's not as wide as the L-1011 at 18ft 1...

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Re: Buzzsaw sound on takeoff

[quote="marcogr12" p.s. Is it my idea or did the DC-10 have similar engine sound like the A300-B2?[/quote] You are correct the CF6-50 series found on the A300-B4, DC-10-30 and 747 Classics all sound very similar on taxi, start up and takeoff! The version on the A300 did make some different...

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Re: Delta MD-88s as of Summer 2019

Someone please remind me: a key reason MD-8Xs are becoming obsolete quickly is because of P&W shying away from JT8D support, yes? They are becoming obsolete quickly because the plane is now 2 generations old with the youngest aircraft over 20 years old and the bulk of the worldwide frames aroun...

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Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

Ceilings are low, but they did a nice job freshening it up with what they could do. It will serve its purpose well, getting 100 regional jet flights in and out every day. Better than boarding via airstairs! I can oly imagine that that Whataburger is going to be a big hit with traveler's and the wor...

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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

But according to airfleets.net, the Orbital Science L1011 still has the RB-211-22 engines. How can this airplane still fly if the engines are decertified? The Orbital Science L-1011 -22b engines were converted to -524's many years ago, the Tristar Experience L-1011 still has -22b engines and was fe...

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Re: Surviving L1011 Numbers?

What does it mean if an engine is decertified? It means it can no longer be used as an engine to power an aircraft. Essentially it no longer has the certificate which allows it to fly. Anything with this engine is no longer permitted in the air and the manufacturer no longer supports it. But accord...

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Re: Bahrain plans to sink a B747

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPisMndA09U

https://interestingengineering.com/turk ... icial-reef

http://www.adagiotour.com/en/blog/airbu ... icial-reef

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Re: First 777 produced heading to a Museum

The 777 is a big aircraft, it will make quite a statement parked among the other planes. It's a shame Pima isn't getting a 777-300 ! That would be a sight :D Besides the Orbis DC-10, Pima's got a B-36 and 3 B-52s. So it has 'big plane' company. They do need a 747! Add the 787 to the 'big plane' com...

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Re: B747-SP for sale, just $9.5m

To all those fantasises here on a.net who think it's a great idea to purchase this particular B747SP (ridiculous to say the least) I've got news for you all.....this aircraft won't be sold for further service and anyone who thinks otherwise are deluded, she will stay in situ until she is either bou...

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Re: Saudia suspends Canada service

Trudeau to do list. 1. Cut all bilateral relations with Saudi Arabia, including revoking landing rights and overflight rights to all Saudi airlines. 2. Cut all bilateral relations with countries that support Saudi Arabia, including the U.A.E. Revoke all landing rights and overflight rights of the a...

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Re: Houston Diversions

IAH and DFW get some pretty nasty thunderstorms in the Spring and Summer. I've learned to avoid routing through these hubs during this time of the year. ORD and ATL get their share of thunderstorms too, but things don't hit the fan as hard as they do in Texas. So true, some nasty storms moved throu...

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Re: Southwest 737-300

Barney Captain and I have argued about the dispatch rate on the 300's in the past and it got heated but trust me the 65% dispatch figure is bogus as it is dated and reflects many old frames. The dispatch rate for the 30 newest 300's that SWA should be keeping if the pilots would cooperate is very m...

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Re: Delta's 767-200 Fleet, why was it retired?

..or perhaps vice versa? Nope, the 752 sat slightly more people than the 762 in CO's configuration. CO's 762s were fairly premium heavy for its size, hence the lower number of seats. You are correct on the CO configuration, but back in the "older" days it was a tad different with DL. In t...

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Re: When is pax baggage put in ULDs, and when not?

Most simply put, if the aircraft being used is configured to take ULDs. Most domestic flights in the US don't, as it enables faster turns. At least according to the research the airline has done. No ULD use is also cheaper as you don't need a uld stock, or a loader. I've yet to see a widebody that ...

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Re: AA at Hobby

American has ~7 flights day to Houston Hobby as opposed to Houston Bush. Why does AA even bother? Solely out of beef with WN? Could HOU flights be given to other cities (ORD/CLT)? Does it not make basic sense for a global airline whose largest hub is in the second largest metropolitan area in the s...

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Re: Cathay to begin 3-4-3 on 773s and 77Ws

So you think that CX's interest in converting the cross seat section of its regional B777s from 9 to 10 is unprecedentedly scandalous? Did you know that CX actually did just that with its much narrower Lockheed Tristars? More on Cathay Pacific Tristars: http://www.chingchic.com/cathay-pacific-airwa...

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Re: UAL names first 777-300ER "New Spirit of United"

The "New Spirit of United" should have worn as "Spirit" means something sorta from the past, at least for a while! People may hate AA but they have some "Spirit" in the mix, as you can't forget where you came from to get where you are currently !

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Re: Planes that will be missed and those not

Of course the Tristar-1/100, those RB211-22b's make/made some unique sounds from start up to taxi to full power being applied. Also will miss the 747-200 with Pratts, once Kalitta retire those here at LAX we will not get to here that unique takeoff power sound as it approaches and pass you by of the...

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Re: DFW-HNL AA 772 starts today!

Not the first - they operated the 777 seasonally at least once before - but definitely not a common occurrence. Source? To my knowledge, AA has never operated the 777 on any regularly scheduled flights to Hawaii before now. I flew this route 17 years ago from next Wednesday on a DC-10, and it was s...

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Re: 727 Aerosucre is down

So unfortunate, and especially for the loss of life. Hopefully they will learn something based on the other videos prior that i'm sure they will see, not to operate an aircraft near it's limits in a limited situation if that is the case once the investigation is done!

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Re: New 737 LED Landing Lights Question(s)

http://www.talonaerospace.com/products/ ... /wing-tail

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Re: SWA retires its last a/c built in the 1980's

Does anyone know how much more fuel efficient the 737-7MAX or the 737-700 in comparison to the 737-300 is? According to Wikepedia on average the CFM56-3 engine on the classic gave a 25% increase in fuel efficiency over the older -200s P&W engines along with much much lower noise levels. The imp...

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Re: L1011-100 N910TE is getting closer to it's ferry flight to Kansas City

This is all fine and dandy, but the last one that flew to MKC now sits engineless on the south end of airport. It's an eyesore. This one will keep it's engines and will be fired up from time to time etc I hear, that prior one they borrowed the engines and was not able to obtain enough money to pay ...

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Re: L1011-100 N910TE is getting closer to it's ferry flight to Kansas City

Any idea if it will be painted in TWA colors by chance? Is there a link or Web page dedicated to this plane? Very interested. I am also involved with N874AA. That is a fun project Nothing much yet on the website regarding it, but I do know that they are asking for donations to help ferry it there. ...

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Re: [Poll] Do you prefer one or two columns in A.net search results?

Perhaps there should be a third voting option, for those of us who don't care whether it is one column or two? I am completely comfortable with the new site and have been for a long time. There are a couple of things I miss (flags and age groups) but they're fairly trivial. Otherwise, for the most ...

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L1011-100 N910TE is getting closer to it's ferry flight to Kansas City

Those of you that adore the L-1011,the aircraft did some taxi and high speed runs down the runway getting closer and closer to the ferry flight to the Kansas City area. Good to hear the RB211-22b in 2016, here is a link to several pics and short videos of it in action thanks to cactusbillaz. https:/...

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Re: WN 737-300's and CA

As a west coast based guy, this is great news. If there's any -300 flying anywhere - it will be in and out of SFO to SoCal. That seems to be where the majority exists today. Maybe your read on this is different as someone with a larger sample size than me, but I feel like the 733 has had a bit of a...

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

Are the horizontal stabilizers literally smaller on the MD-11 vs the DC-10, or just considered too small for the longer MD-11?? They are smaller and its quite noticeable as well! MD-11 horizontal stabilizer span is 12 feet shorter than the DC-10. DC-10 - 71 ft. 2 in. MD-11 - 59 ft. 2 in. Nice find,...

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

One other good thing besides anyone getting injured is that people's packages did not get burned up, they may arrive a bit later than anticipated but will still be received! They may even get refunds for shipping from FDX as a result!

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

This was the MD-10 upgraded DC-10 with MD-11 cockpits. They were more stable. The MD-11 is known to have stability issues on landing under heavy loads. That one was overstretched. NRT was an MD-11 not the MD-10 A lot of the MD-11's stability issues has to do with the much smaller horizontal stabili...

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Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

I've learned that this is not as obvious as you might think. They might be able to get a wing from a stored 763. Not saying they will, just that I've been surprised before. They repaired that burned-out BA 772 at LAS that everyone thought was a w/o. Actually, you make a good point. I thought that B...

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Re: FedEx MD-10 on fire at FLL

way to early to speculate of course but those mad dog trijets are always a big of a handful on landing, as we have seen before. could be like NRT, but without flipping over this time,,,, This was the MD-10 upgraded DC-10 with MD-11 cockpits. They were more stable. The MD-11 is known to have stabili...

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Re: Active Dc8/L1011 THREAD/Message Board

Interesting: the -500 N91011 looks more promising to restore and fly than the -100. The -500 headless one on it and the parts are less scarce. Why would they risk it all with the -100 when they have a low time, safer, less risky and already partially restored N91011 ready to go? Would that make 3 i...

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Re: Active Dc8/L1011 THREAD/Message Board

What about N91011, the blue tailed one at VCV? How many L1011 does this Kansas City museum want or have plans for? They already have 1: how much more could they possibly want? They seem to have decided to abandon plans on that -500 and focus on the -1/100, I dunno why. I dunno if this L10 will be a...

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Re: Active Dc8/L1011 THREAD/Message Board

Those Barq L-1011 are pretty much as dead as every other L-1011. Just Google Barq Aviation and their own and there's tons of information on the shadiness of the "operation." The only active L-1011 is the Orbital Star Gazer. L1011-1/100, N910TE formerly P4-MED is in flying condition and wi...

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Re: Airport Food Options: Getting too High-End, too Expensive

I agree with all of the LAX comments about the high high pricing it so so true, one thing that you can do if you have a long enough layover which many people do currently is to do the following. Walk to the In and Out, or Ralphs grocery store with several other options in that shopping center area a...

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Re: AAL to retire 20 MD-80's on 23rd August 2016

https://twitter.com/airwayslive?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Re: AirAsia X: London will be first destination for A330-900neo

Everyone these days are spoiled silly. I remember being on 219 seat 707s for 12 hours and we were expected to be ready to work when we got off in the middle of the night. Your IFE was a book. Even 10 across 744s in recent years on 15 hour ORD-HKG was hardly the end of the world. Sure Id much rather...

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Re: Monopolies on routes between two MAJOR markets

They are all minor players on that route compared to AA....... They may be minor players but they have a major effect on the price. Just compare DFW-LAX nonstop prices to a route of similar length & equipment. A random search for DFW-LAX roundtrip 8/20-8/23 shows $270 nonstop fares on 3 differe...

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Re: LAX passenger volume cap to be lifted?

If and when it happens, some changes need to be made the car traffic that enters it........busy times now the 105 going West can be backed up to near the 405 at Nash exit. Let alone Century Bl from the East and Sepulveda and Lincoln Bl's, it's a traffic cluster F... trying to get into LAX more often...

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