Rumoured MAN growth is unrelated to the XLR fiasco. Absolutely is when you consider stalled investment means no new aircraft which is exactly what MAN needs for growth. EUK is technically a separate airline, the employees in Manchester are on UK T’s & C’s. The Pay dispute in the Republic has no...
Jump to postAbsolutely is when you consider stalled investment means no new aircraft which is exactly what MAN needs for growth. Well it isn’t. The MAN rumour was 2 ex Qatar A330. Absolutely nothing to do with the XLR. And where was the investment coming from to pay for the two ex Qatar A330s? The XLR issue is...
Jump to postMy assumption is that VS / DL will aim to establish some market share of the USA-India market (which I think by all accounts is expected to grow significantly over the coming years) initially via LHR (including because their financial position limits what they can actually accomplish) and then even...
Jump to postWhere else in India might VS expand? CCO Juha Jarvinen said “there is a huge opportunity for us in India" and "we’re anticipating a huge growth in demand." https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/airports-networks/virgin-atlantic-grows-india-capacity-bengaluru-launch-additional Maybe ...
Jump to postNo doubt AA could make MAN-DFW work especially with the large BA FF catchment around Manchester - but PHL, CLT will come first MAN-PHL would be a great route for the A321NX that AA has on order. DFW would come before CLT. CLT only has a handful of European routes and half of them are flown only dur...
Jump to postskipness1E wrote:DobboDobbo wrote:Would that not be an add for EIUK if they are minded to expand at MAN?
Zero ambition to open Pakistan, no presence in market or brand awareness. It's all about US holidays.
bennett123 wrote:lavia wrote:LHR-ISB is mostly propped up with MAN connections, so one would expect to see MAN-LGW reinstated.
Would a simple MAN - ISB service make sense.
I am led to believe a OW lounge may be opened at MAN, EUK would likely use this. More (rumoured) expansion coming though. Can’t see that any time soon. Huge queue of other worldwide ports would be way above any investment at MAN. I doubt EI or BA would fund it. My only observation is that this is a...
Jump to postFantastic to see Shanghai get over the line! Juneyao Airlines - Shanghai Pudong to Manchester. Flights start 3 July 2024 HO1661 PVG 0155-0730 MAN (Wed, Fri & Sun) HO1662 MAN 1040-0550+1 PVG (Wed, Fri & Sun) Via SeanM on X This is stretching my memory, but did Juneyao fly to MAN before Covid...
Jump to postMalaysia Airlines is considering a Manchester service, using 350s. Malaysia Airlines MD Izham Ismail: we can deploy the 350 to beyond and more destinations in Europe. And possibly Manchester ... https://aviationweek.com/podcasts/window-seat-podcast/podcast-exclusive-interview-malaysia-airlines-md-i...
Jump to postMalaysia Airlines is considering a Manchester service, using 350s. Malaysia Airlines MD Izham Ismail: we can deploy the 350 to beyond and more destinations in Europe. And possibly Manchester ... https://aviationweek.com/podcasts/window-seat-podcast/podcast-exclusive-interview-malaysia-airlines-md-i...
Jump to postThe flight does just fine. Source? It was 5x weekly SIN-MAN-IAH before the pandemic. It is (as of this month) 5x weekly SIN-MAN-IAH before the pandemic. Before adding back the extra 2x weekly MAN-IAH tag, there was a 2x weekly SIN-MAN standalone. None of these things would have happened if the flig...
Jump to postUntil they reach full post COVID levels it’s not going to be possible to determine what the correct market fares are butinability to fill SQ flights as I have previously stated is either linked to lack of overall demand (MAN-SIN) or the availability of a lot of cheaper but viable alternatives. I wo...
Jump to post3AWM wrote:The number of gulf.carriers at MAN is clearly hurting yields. Some of the lesser known carriers like Gulf Air and Kuwait might find better fares at LBA, particularly if they are flying on smaller frames.
Without going into the services here in detail as I don’t know the detail I would ask if any of these airports have had consistent service from SQ for 40 years and still haven’t achieved daily services. Essentially this doesn’t change the observation that when you look at other carriers too MAN has...
Jump to postThere is - to give that perspective here are some facts about SQ’s European network: European airports with at least a daily standalone SQ service: LHR, CDG, AMS, FRA, MUC, CPH, ZRH. Of these, only LHR and CDG have more than a single daily standalone rotation. These airports share the common charac...
Jump to postThere is - to give that perspective here are some facts about SQ’s European network: European airports with at least a daily standalone SQ service: LHR, CDG, AMS, FRA, MUC, CPH, ZRH. Of these, only LHR and CDG have more than a single daily standalone rotation. These airports share the common charact...
Jump to postIt is fascinating to see the shifting sands - as one argument gets comprehensively demolished another one follows!
Jump to postthere is no reason why it Compton back to being served via another intermediate European destination such as Athens, maybe even on Scoop metal. Whilst I am not entirely what is meant by the typo, if I understand correctly I would say the reasons why SQ would serve MAN either via another intermediat...
Jump to postReturned from Atlanta on VS104 last Tuesday night. 126 pax on an A350-1041, with another VS A330 parked alongside on departure. Is that viable? In the depths of winter it's not uncommon. Post Christmas, pre Easter... It's also a JV with the dominant ATL based US megacarrier, same question applies f...
Jump to postWhat exactly is your counter arguement? Airlines don't talk about "viable", routes are money makers or not. The London transatlantic market is more likely to make money out of LHR, and less loss making than were say, AUS to have been a LGW route. Branson is on record as saying that had th...
Jump to postWhat exactly is your counter arguement? Airlines don't talk about "viable", routes are money makers or not. The London transatlantic market is more likely to make money out of LHR, and less loss making than were say, AUS to have been a LGW route. Branson is on record as saying that had th...
Jump to postThen LHR was opened up and "viable" lost to " more profitable". People talking about MAN-TFS with an Upper Class fitted A330/A350 are quite divorced from the competitive reality! Aer Lingus use A330 on DUB-AGP but that's way less a cut throat market than MAN-Spain... I’m afraid ...
Jump to postThen LHR was opened up and "viable" lost to " more profitable". People talking about MAN-TFS with an Upper Class fitted A330/A350 are quite divorced from the competitive reality! Aer Lingus use A330 on DUB-AGP but that's way less a cut throat market than MAN-Spain... I’m afraid ...
Jump to postI don't get why carriers pursuing the most popular routes would have no regard for profitability, however I accept there is competition on these routes but there is also demand. JFK, LAX, SFO and BOS are some of the biggest routes by PAX carried at LHR. Tenerife, Majorca, Alicante, Malaga atc are s...
Jump to postBecause they don't meet the profile set out in the post, ie they are no where near the most popular destinations from MAN by seats sold. Tenerife is one of the top destinations with 1m seats per year, in fact Spanish bucket and spade routes account for more than a quarter of movements. Maybe there ...
Jump to postThe unusual market conditions at LHR suit VS much better than the conditions at MAN. They are able to take a niche section of a very big market on a lot of the most popular routes, however every long haul route VS enter at MAN they have to take the lion's share of the market in order for it to work...
Jump to postMAN does have a based fleet of new build A350/A330 mix, but I wonder why they don't see it as a real growth opportunity? Isn’t the point that in 2019 they saw it as a real growth opportunity, had plans to start delivering on that opportunity (Virgin Connect, flights to India, extensive and expandin...
Jump to postThe conjecture and discussion about VS’s strategy is clearly drive by the core reality, which is that VS focuses its business at LHR yet seems incapable of making serious (or any) money. Therefore, it needs to do something about that. They had plans to try and address this pre covid (see my points i...
Jump to postPerhaps a justification for further expansion of the EIUK operation, and BACF, as speculated elsewhere… Particularly with the ongoing uncertainty around DUB's passenger cap, which has already been reached. A possible lifting of it could be years away. The current rumour is that a further two A330 w...
Jump to postEvidence where traffic leaks these days - Certainly not London is it ? Perhaps a justification for further expansion of the EIUK operation, and BACF, as speculated elsewhere… Particularly with the ongoing uncertainty around DUB's passenger cap, which has already been reached. A possible lifting of ...
Jump to postrutankrd wrote:Evidence where traffic leaks these days - Certainly not London is it ?
Just wondering if anyone knows whether VS have considered/publicly mentioned doing more short-haul at MAN? (other than Little Red) In my beautiful fantasy VS would get at least 5-10 A320s to run a few dozen flights to big European cities with a nice recliner J seat and full service Y, funneling pax...
Jump to postFurther to the predicted smaller rise in passenger numbers by 2040 with no HS2 link, I have now located the Manchester Evening News article from 10th December 2015 when plans were submitted for the Transformation Programme to Manchester City Council https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/business/...
Jump to postthere's a whole load of other Virgin destinations that do good business out of London they might try in MAN before Tampa Which destinations spring to mind? If they wanted to add one seasonal A330 to the base it may well work well on summer point to point UK based point of sale on volume traffic to ...
Jump to postskipness1E wrote:there's a whole load of other Virgin destinations that do good business out of London they might try in MAN before Tampa
I would argue that MAN-EDI/GLA are no longer "important business routes". It’s the railway becoming more popular for these types of journeys - and they are within the 3 hour threshold where the train is more competitive than the plane. If or when HS2 is constructed in full between London ...
Jump to postFrom The Times - MAN to suffer as a result of the UK’s inability to construct high quality public transport infrastructure as Sunak’s decision to cancel HS2 north of Birmingham continues to deliver negative consequences for the UK economy. _______________________ "Heathrow of the north? Manches...
Jump to postPosted today on X by SPD_travels https://twitter.com/SPD_travels/status/1755646931622113493?s=20 As seen as it’s now the worst kept secret around the airport, here it is. China Eastern are proposing a Shanghai to Manchester flight. MU781 PVG 0145 MAN 0730 MU782 MAN 0930 PVG 0350+1 Mon/Wed/Fri from ...
Jump to postI think the IAH route needs some changes to be competitive. While MAN seems to do well as a fifth freedom route for the people flying to and from SIN (usually business travelers in J) it’s a terrible, terrible airport to stop over in at the moment. I fly to SIN 2x per year on work and have switched...
Jump to postReally? In 2019, 45% of all pax on EI TATL services were connecting (almost all onto EI European services), with the UK the biggest connecting country (and almost the same size as the next three biggest countries, Germany, Italy and Spain, combined). BHX-NYC was EI's single biggest O&D pair for...
Jump to postThere will be a number of interesting factors to be considered including whether the new passengers on MAN originating services to places like ORD, DFW, BOS, PHL, LAX might be cannibalise DUB services from a surface access catchment area that realistically covers LBA, LPL, BHX, GLA (where EI has a ...
Jump to postJust my humble opinion but I see Los Angeles and Boston even a seasonal Miami, more likely than Chicago. I like Chicago but it has less of a draw for UK tourists than New York, Boston, and Los Angeles. Realistically a Chicago service is going to mainly feed the American hub there but American thems...
Jump to postEI UK are recruiting for A330 first officers to be based within 1 hour of MAN. This presumably means either they have a particular shortage of first officers or they are increasing the number of A330 at MAN. I have seen speculation these frames will be ex-IB frames. If correct, I do not know what i...
Jump to postCould EI give NOC-JFK a go? A 3x weekly seasonal 321NEO service to test the waters? They havent even started MAN BOS on the NEO. Didn't realise that - thanks for clarifying. If/when they do start TATL NEO ops ex-MAN, it does open up opportunities to rotate them to other ports - e.g. a MAN-JFK-BFS-J...
Jump to postOne point to check - if my calculations are accurate and VS will see a net increase of 4 frames between now and 2027 (2 deliveries of A35K, and 12 deliveries of A339 set off by 10 A333 coming off lease) what do you think VS will do with them? Caveat is that in this timeframe a lot could change - the...
Jump to postPicking up on the growth / fleet plans, I have taken a look at VS’s annual report for 2022 (I don’t think the 2023 one has been released). The link is below and a few extracts are provided below. From this I have taken that VS wish to grow, but as the A333 are starting to be withdrawn and replaced 1...
Jump to postShouldn't VS be able to compete against any EI move? Better product and brand recognition? When comparing EI to VS I agree that VS competes well on product and brand - the issue is the financial resources of IAG as EI’s owner, and the historical competition between BA and VS in London. You might sa...
Jump to postI find it strange that VS would let the two A330's leases expire just as the peak summer flying season starts. They're taking new A339s and A35Ks though for growth. Again it illusory Since 2018 (last normal year) 18 frames 340/747 and 330 have left whilst 14 replacement 339/350-1000 have been recei...
Jump to postSo 4 A350-1000s on order. How many A330-900s then? I have a total of 25 which seems high? 21 to come less 10 A330-300s leaving making +11? Anyone closer to the nos? 11 firm orders plus 6 options If we want to include the 4 already removed series 200s Thats a REDUCTION of 3 frames on peak ! One poin...
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