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by N717TW
Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2217
Views: 189795

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Previous slides [Edited for emphasis] Slide 7 - 120 daily departures increase over the next 3 years - B6 - 150 to 200 (50), DL 100 to 150 (50), WN (surprising) - 41 to 56 - meaning 11 turns a day on their 5 gates.. that's some going... and another surprise UA 44 to 51 (7) July board meeting highlig...

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by N717TW
Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta orders 10 A330-900 neo's, defers 10 A350-900's
Replies: 341
Views: 52028

Re: Delta orders 10 A330-900 neo's, defers 10 A350-900's

We have no evidence that the A330neo is "tens of millions" cheaper than the 787. It could even be that the 787 is less expensive. And the 787 is also highly efficient at short to moderate stage lengths. Is DL buying the right tool? Maybe. They think so, but is it? And is it the best tool ...

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by N717TW
Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta orders 10 A330-900 neo's, defers 10 A350-900's
Replies: 341
Views: 52028

Re: Delta orders 10 A330-900 neo's, defers 10 A350-900's

When you run a business you do not buy "the best," you buy the right tools for each job. Buying the 787 to fly it DTW-AMS is like buying a Bugatti to go 75 MPH. Not necessary. The A330neo is perfect for that job, and tens of millions of dollars cheaper than 787. Again... because the 787 b...

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by N717TW
Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue CEO: JVs stifle competition
Replies: 63
Views: 5413

Re: JetBlue CEO: JVs stifle competition

Bobloblaw wrote:
Are there other industries that receive anti trust immunity?


Major League Baseball.

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by N717TW
Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NK Announces AUS-FLL/MCO/BWI/MSY/DEN/ORD/DTW/LAS/LAX
Replies: 58
Views: 5335

Re: NK Announces AUS-FLL/MCO/BWI/MSY/DEN/ORD/DTW/LAS/LAX

*IF* DL has plans for AUS then this won't deter them. NK & DL chase totally different demographics and I don't think they view each other as true competitors. yes and no. NK's m.o. of 1x daily or less than daily flights and few connecting opportunities makes them less than ideal for business tr...

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by N717TW
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2217
Views: 189795

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

How often does the central garage get filled? I was there today and I had to park in the terminal E lot I took the last available spot. When walking from A to E I noticed cars double parked that happen often? A lot, hence why Massport is trying to build more, even though they really don’t want to (...

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by N717TW
Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2217
Views: 189795

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

hinckley wrote:
N717TW wrote:
Only BA, IB and LH have all continuously operated from Terminal E since it opened in '74 . . . IB was missing for most of the 80s and 90s.


So did you mean BA and LH only?


Meant IE.

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by N717TW
Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2217
Views: 189795

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Aside from BA, who are the longest serving tenants of terminal E? Logan Terminal Map from June 1974 ... when Terminal E opened as the John A Volpe International Terminal https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46055165_10213602474600801_3604604938719592448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scont...

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by N717TW
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2217
Views: 189795

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

The "eagles nest " is a nickname used for the old American eagle area. Calling it a terminal is really an exaggeration. No jetbridges or any real amenities. It's located right next to the massport fire station, at the entrance to the J pad Was it originally built as a terminal for America...

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by N717TW
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is Deltas plan for CLT?
Replies: 68
Views: 8261

Re: What is Deltas plan for CLT?

Some of the answer will depend on how BofA does it corporate travel. I've sat next to a number of Merrill Lynch folks out of NYC and BofA international banking folks from their BOS (former BankBoston/Fleet) office over the last year...a lot more than I used to or remember. It could just be people wh...

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by N717TW
Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Time for AA to monetize JFK slots and Terminal space?
Replies: 114
Views: 15051

Re: Time for AA to monetize JFK slots and Terminal space?

uh, yeah they can. Example, The Delta/United "swap" of JFK/EWR slots was actually United selling Delta JFK slots and Delta selling United EWR slots. Except it wasn't a sale. It is a lease and the DOT rejected the EWR lease...then did away with slot restrictions at EWR making it all moot a...

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by N717TW
Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Time for AA to monetize JFK slots and Terminal space?
Replies: 114
Views: 15051

Re: Time for AA to monetize JFK slots and Terminal space?

The underlying premise of the thread is off: Slots at JFK can't be sold. The airline doesn't "own" the slot, they are simply assigned to the airline for its use with the presumption that they stay with the airline until it doesn't need it anymore. That said, the slots can be swapped and tr...

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by N717TW
Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The old Northwest Airlines - good place to work?
Replies: 59
Views: 5747

Re: The old Northwest Airlines - good place to work?

BOS ramp/bag room in the late '80s and '90s was a notoriously rough place to work.

(Edited b/c I thought, about 1/2 hour after writing, that my line could easily be read out of context and therefore be insensitive to those directly or indirectly affected by the murder of Sue Taraskiewicz. Sorry!).

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by N717TW
Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: Delta to Start Service at ORH
Replies: 103
Views: 10963

Re: Delta to Start Service at ORH

Call me a doubting Thomas I’m just highly skeptical that DL would do this add and fling RJs from DTW to ORH unless it’s to get something in return from MassPort at BOS. I mean they’ve been cutting DCI routes like LIT TUL and CAK from DTW and stuff like FNT and BMI from MSP and we think they may sta...

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by N717TW
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
Replies: 508
Views: 71070

Re: AA drops ORD-PEK

So when will this route be reallocated to DL? What's the indication that DL really wants the additional China, let alone PEK, authority? I'm not really sure they wanted LAX-PEK beyond blocking AA from adding the route. Now that AA has started LAX-PEK, does DL really want to start that route? At bes...

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by N717TW
Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
Replies: 508
Views: 71070

Re: AA drops ORD-PEK

So when will this route be reallocated to DL? What's the indication that DL really wants the additional China, let alone PEK, authority? I'm not really sure they wanted LAX-PEK beyond blocking AA from adding the route. Now that AA has started LAX-PEK, does DL really want to start that route? At bes...

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by N717TW
Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Three pilots on JFK-EDI: Do airlines have relief pilots on 6 hour flights?
Replies: 53
Views: 4898

Re: Three pilots on JFK-EDI: Do airlines have relief pilots on 6 hour flights?

I heard that AF (which has powerful unions as everyone knows) has more relief pilots per long haul flight than required. Can anyone confirm? There are lots of situations that on paper don't require a relief pilot. That doesn't mean it's smart. Honestly is it really a good idea to depart at 10pm for...

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by N717TW
Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:55 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Three pilots on JFK-EDI: Do airlines have relief pilots on 6 hour flights?
Replies: 53
Views: 4898

Re: Three pilots on JFK-EDI: Do airlines have relief pilots on 6 hour flights?

The return flight is most certainly longer than the eastbound flight. Plus, depending on how early the return flight departs using the crews "body clock" which would still be on Eastern Time in the US, FAR 117 could required 3 pilots. Interesting. The return clocks in around 7hr on averag...

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by N717TW
Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:38 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Three pilots on JFK-EDI: Do airlines have relief pilots on 6 hour flights?
Replies: 53
Views: 4898

Three pilots on JFK-EDI: Do airlines have relief pilots on 6 hour flights?

I was just on DL409 flying JFK-EDI and found it really odd that we had three pilots given that its only a 6 hr flight. Not only did I see all three in uniform but the Captain announced herself and the two other pilots just before we pushed off from gate at JFK. I thought that the standard for DL/AA/...

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by N717TW
Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
Replies: 508
Views: 71070

Re: AA: ORD-Asia “Uniquely Challenging” to Route Structure

I agree on PHL/CLT-Asia flight(s), particularly TYO with the JL JV. It wouldn't shock me to see an ORD-Asia 788 flip to PHL/CLT-TYO. With them talking more about Europe, I'd expect 788s to start appearing in PHL/CLT next year for some of the 763 flying that will need to be covered as those birds ar...

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by N717TW
Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
Replies: 508
Views: 71070

Re: AA: ORD-Asia “Uniquely Challenging” to Route Structure

I agree on PHL/CLT-Asia flight(s), particularly TYO with the JL JV. It wouldn't shock me to see an ORD-Asia 788 flip to PHL/CLT-TYO. With them talking more about Europe, I'd expect 788s to start appearing in PHL/CLT next year for some of the 763 flying that will need to be covered as those birds ar...

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by N717TW
Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Heathrow Hub?
Replies: 45
Views: 8530

Re: United Airlines Heathrow Hub?

When UA acquired PA's LHR (and IAD-CDG route) assets (for a bargain $400m) they got 16/17* slots at LHR. For a time, UA was operating 727s into Germany, AMS and OSL. It even ran DEL onto HKG for a while in the mid 90s. Eventually the slots all moved to being used for US nonstops. PA generally ran 9 ...

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by N717TW
Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Former TWA Slots at JFK?
Replies: 8
Views: 1367

Re: Former TWA Slots at JFK?

The didn't sell their remaining slots. AA inherited them through the merger/acquisition post Chapter 11 in 2001. The only slots TWA officially sold off were the LHR routes, and the slots were at LHR, not JFK. The airport wasn't slot controlled except for certain times of the day back when TWA was f...

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by N717TW
Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Former TWA Slots at JFK?
Replies: 8
Views: 1367

Re: Former TWA Slots at JFK?

The didn't sell their remaining slots. AA inherited them through the merger/acquisition post Chapter 11 in 2001. The only slots TWA officially sold off were the LHR routes, and the slots were at LHR, not JFK. The airport wasn't slot controlled except for certain times of the day back when TWA was f...

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by N717TW
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CVG and Procter & Gamble
Replies: 19
Views: 3493

Re: CVG and Procter & Gamble

Wonder how much does having Procter & Gamble headquarters in Cincinnati weights on CVG traffic. One of Procter major Latin American regional HQ is in Panama City. Perhaps if Procter ask for it, CVG might get CM PTY-CVG at least 3-4 times per day? How is CVG Latin American traffic these days? It...

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by N717TW
Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta CSeries deliveries to begin this year
Replies: 195
Views: 45063

Re: Delta CSeries deliveries to begin this year

IND has connecting traffic via DL and WN. What connecting traffic is DL flowing through Indianapolis? To be clear, I'm not saying that passengers have not made a connection in IND, but I doubt that connecting passengers are anything but incidental. Indy's DL destinations are almost all hubs / focus...

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by N717TW
Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28985

Re: Will DL return to HKG?

I'm sure DL will find out fairly soon whether or not their JV with KE will be effective or not. That'll probably determine any future plans for reinstating HKG from anywhere. Absolutely. Delta's Asia strategy is a work in progress. While the ICN hub will do a great job of providing 1-stop service t...

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by N717TW
Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28985

Re: Will DL return to HKG?

pray tell, which routes will this happen on? They are already adding two international destinations on their own metal so if anything, they are doing the opposite and growing. What are the two new int'l destinations? MSP-ICN and SEA-KIX Oh. Well, that's two new routes to existing destinations (gran...

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by N717TW
Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28985

Re: Will DL return to HKG?

Not anytime soon. Delta will likely shrink their own metal further in Asia as the JV with KE ramps up. It is a new day for Delta in Asia. pray tell, which routes will this happen on? They are already adding two international destinations on their own metal so if anything, they are doing the opposit...

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by N717TW
Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AUS to become a Delta Focus City
Replies: 451
Views: 48149

Re: AUS to become a Delta Focus City

AUS doesn't currently have the infrastructure for a hub operation, but they have plenty of space to develop it. The airport is well laid out for a future hub operation, they could add a third runway next to the current 12,000 ft one with little to no property acquisition and build several new 30+ g...

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by N717TW
Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist
Replies: 77
Views: 11691

Re: DL 777 retrofit, interesting twist

While at first glance this appears to be passenger comfort related, I am sure at the heart of it there is a business case to be made for leaving Y in 3 x 3 x 3 and total capacity under 300. Perhaps it’s the fact they don’t need the extra seats and it enables better yield management. Perhaps there a...

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by N717TW
Fri Jun 29, 2018 1:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF KLM growth
Replies: 35
Views: 6514

Re: AF KLM growth

KLM's role in the company is on transfer traffic KLM was one of the first European carriers to really exploit international connections and similarly it pioneered the JV (with Delta forerunner Northwest) for the sole purpose of flowing as much US-Europe traffic as possible through AMS. That is stil...

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by N717TW
Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF KLM growth
Replies: 35
Views: 6514

Re: AF KLM growth

There are a lot of generalities on this thread that cause the unless conversations. A few things to ponder The French Labor Paradox Yes the French have among the most days of strikes (https://ind.pn/2lFa3vv) but also the least unionized in Western Europe with only 8% of the workforce unionized. http...

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by N717TW
Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways orders 75 Boeing 737 Max - yes again and again. Total now 225 MAX on order.
Replies: 79
Views: 11280

Re: Jet Airways orders 75 Boeing 737 Max - yes again and again. Total now 225 MAX on order.

I love the optimism of folks on this tread. The Reuters article, which means the press release its essentially cribbed directly from, states this is for the domestic market. Yet, we're talking about connecting secondary markets around India with AMS and CDG. The Max-8 barely has the legs to connect ...

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by N717TW
Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest Airlines Seattle Focus City?
Replies: 69
Views: 7545

Re: Northwest Airlines Seattle Focus City?

UA857 wrote:
If DL/NW didn't merge would NW have a hub at SEA?


Probably a NW/AS focus city operation. If DL/NW didn't happen, UA/DL would likely have. NW/CO, already tight, would likely have ended up in each other hands but would have lacked a west coast hub and therefore would really have needed AS.

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by N717TW
Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did DL/UA cut NRT-JFK-NRT?
Replies: 113
Views: 15267

Re: Why did DL/UA cut NRT-JFK-NRT?

Overall capacity may not be overwhelming, but it’s a very important business market. Anyone in finance can tell you that. That is 100% true (as is NYC-HKG and NYC-SIN) but its also true that the Asian carriers have a far better service reputation. So when you combine the Asian point-of-sale bias pl...

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by N717TW
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no JFK/LGA-BDL service?
Replies: 62
Views: 4669

Re: Why no JFK/LGA-BDL service?

As a few have pointed out, BOS is in the mix as well here. Logan is roughy a 90 minute drive from downtown Hartford, making that airport appealing for anyone flying Int'l. Conn. is a the land of small cities and most of them (from New Haven to Bridgeport and Stamford) are close enough to NYC that yo...

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by N717TW
Wed Jun 20, 2018 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA - no to ICE to transporting detained child migrants
Replies: 79
Views: 9305

Re: AA - no to ICE to transporting detained child migrants

what? The Gov't is putting kids on a plane and is lying about why there are on the plane? If that's true, then this whole thing has gone bonkers.

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by N717TW
Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2217
Views: 189795

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

more often that not they are doing good on BOS-SFO in terms of load factor. Just curious, what do you consider good load factor? BTS would show they have quite a bit lower LF than other carriers Here is Q4. BOSSFO VX,58357,72281,80.74% DL,30058,40760,73.74% UA,169360,191562,88.41% B6,88590,110028,8...

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by N717TW
Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL launches LAX-Europe on B77L on June 16th
Replies: 62
Views: 14666

Re: DL launches LAX-Europe on B77L today

I think DL competes not on price but on routes underserved on other airlines. Notice how small of an operation they have at ORD. Probably because they don't want to get in price wars with AA and UA. It seems like they go after cities dominated by local airlines. Like they have much more muscle than...

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by N717TW
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28985

Re: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka

Oh, AS will pick up the route!! :) Would an LAX-based flight make more sense for DL perhaps? SEA, though, is a strong business market and one of the most rapidly growing large cities in North America. Air Canada seems to do well from Vancouver, which is a smaller city (of course there are very stro...

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by N717TW
Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28985

Re: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka

Delta dropping major global market like HKG is indeed certainly a shock. I agree. It strikes me as a City you sorta "have" to serve (along with LON, CDG, FRA, TYO, SYD, GRU etc) if you want to be able to sell yourself to clients as an intentional carrier. Based on the decision I am guessi...

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by N717TW
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airports where pax had to use stairs to board 747, DC-10, L-1011
Replies: 250
Views: 17038

Re: Airports where pax had to use stairs to board 747, DC-10, L-1011

I climbed stairs to an AF 747 in NCE in 1990.
There was a lot of stair climbing in CDG in mid-aughts after the roof collapsed in the new 2E (or 2F, can't remember). and people were being bused all over the airport.

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by N717TW
Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL announces MSP - ICN
Replies: 168
Views: 20692

Re: RUMOR: DL to Announce MSP - ICN

Adding ICN with lots of beyond connectivity on KE can only further weaken MSP-HND. While they likely indeed would face uphill battle at DOT, not sure the benefit of keeping poor performing route around year after year. In comparison DL out of LAX, even with AA and NH also offering nonstops to HND p...

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by N717TW
Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta LAX terminal plans updates and discussion thread
Replies: 474
Views: 129417

Re: Delta LAX Terminal Plans Revealed

Is there a plan to extend the north end of TBIT? No. It will stay as is. MSC North and South will add plenty of gates to TBIT. Are they keeping the current gates 135/137/139/141 which is a nub of the old 1981 TBIT? I understand why it was left there originally--as part of the plan to move the runwa...

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by N717TW
Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: According to FT Accor abandons plan to buy Air France-KLM stake
Replies: 18
Views: 2692

Re: AccorHotels Looking to Acquire a Stake in AF/KL

It was really common, especially overseas for airlines to own hotels in their far flung outposts for guests to stay: Pan Am owned InterContinental; TWA brought Hilton International from Hilton (and created TWCorp), BA/Lufthansa/Swissair owned Penta Hotels even while Swissair also owned Swissôtel; KL...

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by N717TW
Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta LAX terminal plans updates and discussion thread
Replies: 474
Views: 129417

Re: Delta LAX Terminal Plans Revealed

The non-OneWorld, non-SkyTeam flights will likely move to the mid-field concourse, freeing up gate space for DL and AA plus their partners (AF/KL/MU/KE etc and QF/BA/IB/JL respectively). Do we have a sense for how that will be handled from a check in perspective? TBIT check-in is fully tapped out a...

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by N717TW
Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta LAX terminal plans updates and discussion thread
Replies: 474
Views: 129417

Re: Delta LAX Terminal Plans Revealed

Lots of exterior renderings too. So happy they are making the outside look more modern too. https://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/news/2018/06/01/delta-invests-1-86-billion-into-lax.html Midfield is coming along nice also and that will help AA and DL. Not sure I follow. How will it help AA and DL?...

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by N717TW
Wed May 30, 2018 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: VS adds MAN-LAX nonstop for 2019.
Replies: 57
Views: 8051

Re: VS adds MAN-LAX nonstop for 2019.

Isn't VS becoming part of the larger JV with AF/KL/AZ, not just with DL? With the AF/KL equity investment they, along with DL, have control of VS. Its definitely a DL/AF-KL/VS thing going forward. https://news.delta.com/delta-air-france-klm-and-virgin-atlantic-sign-agreements-strengthening-trans-at...

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by N717TW
Fri May 25, 2018 1:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 5/13/2018:UA Swaps EWR/IAD Markets, Many Other Changes!;DL Adds BOS-PHL,Drops JFK-PHL,MCO-MIA;
Replies: 98
Views: 14209

Re: OAG Changes 5/13/2018:UA Swaps EWR/IAD Markets, Many Other Changes!;DL Adds BOS-PHL,Drops JFK-PHL,MCO-MIA;

DL's JFK-PHL started as RJ's and eventually one flight upgraded to a 752, which I thought was likely for rotation purposes for PHL-CDG/LHR. DL has flown PHL-JFK ever since they purchased PA's TATL routes which was before RJs had entered service with any airline and several years before Delta flew t...

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