Re: Air France-KLM News and Discussion - 2024

I kind of like how KLM is moving opposite from the EuroWhite trend. The planes are getting more blue!
I guess there won't be any white left in 100 years

Re: Norse Atlantic Airways and the Norwegian Polarinstitute landing in Antarctica with Boeing 787-9

Just saw a video of the landing on FB. The landing speed looked rather high. Can anyone explain why? Without knowledge of this specific field/operation I could imagine that it might be that the airplane is fueled at Cape Town for a return flight. This would mean it is relatively heavy on landing, r...

Re: A British Airways captain was stabbed after going for a run during his layover in South Africa,

My general experience with these types of rules is that company security would prefer you to stay in your room at all times from dropoff to pickup... So I can definitely see why a crewmember might take it with a grain of salt. Not to say that one shouldn't take these types of rules into account of c...

Re: Dutch government wins court approval to cap AMS movements

Absolutely correct that this is fundamentally flawed in terms of economic policy. If the issue is noise, then you put incentives and fines for flying noisy aircraft into the airport for the benefit of the local community. Make noisy cargo aircraft etc pay more for that knackered-out jet and they'll...

Re: Dutch government wins court approval to cap AMS movements

I think it is fantastic that we get a daily flight to Bogota, but I can't imagine the overall economy being hurt significantly if that were reduced to a lower frequency. Interesting choice of destination BOGOTA for your economic impact assessment!! As it happens, Colombia is major source of fresh f...

Re: Dutch government wins court approval to cap AMS movements

Quite frankly both sides of the discussion are flawed IMO. I think it is good that as a country there is a discussion of how much inconvenience are we willing to accept for a certain level of economic gains. And that's where the governments first fallacy comes in: a fixation on 460.000 and later 440...

Re: CDG to be temporarily renamed

I think, naming airports after people in general is not a good idea. Does anybody use these given names, when they talk about the airport? An airport should be named after the town ot the locatioon. Frankrut airport, Berlin airport, Han(n)over airport. Nobody I know uses any given name of these air...

Re: Air France KLM News and Discussion Thread - 2021

What is this talk about "imminent bankruptcy" of AF-KL if they do not get another round of billions of euros of bailout money? https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/555175835/air-france-klm-failliet-zonder-snelle-herkapitalisatie It's a Telegraaf article so litteral sensationalist garbage.....

Re: 4-class A350s and 787s?

Debatable whether this counts as four class, BUT: https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/2/airlines/klm-introduceert-premium-economy-in-2022 KLM will install premium economy seats on its longhaul fleet starting in 2021. From what I understand economy comfort will remain. So it will be - Wo...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

The big problem pilot's union have, is that the pay cut will remain until the loan is paid back. So, theoretically, KLM can just postpone paying back the loan indefinitely to avoid future pay rises for the pilots. And this is more or less signing a blank check which the pilot's union (understandabl...

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Some facts: - Pilots at KLM already agreed to a 20% pay-cut on October 1st. - In this deal KLM already agreed to the duration of this contract (until April 2022) - This deal was submitted to the ministry on October 1st, giving them a month to judge the contents (and as is the case object to them) -...

Re: KLM Launches Zanzibar, 6th East African destination

How do they manage this slot-wise? I understand that Corona has had a major impact on aviation, but from what I can remember were all slots 'frozen' and airlines couldn't lose them after emergency measures taken to overrule the 'use it or lose it' slot-law. Probably because they still have unused s...

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

The article specifically mentions that this move would mean the end of the holding company and a deep level of cooperation and coordination with AF would remain. I would call speculating about the end of the holding company quite premature (but entertaining and in the spirit of this forum), however ...

Re: KLM considers A321 order

XLR is not relevant with current slot restrictions at Amsterdam. Simple as that. Sure would be an interesting opportunity if (when?) things clear up, but for the time being: no. Quite frankly given the Dutch governments current state with Nitrogen, CO2 and noise issues I think KL would much rather u...

Re: Air France Paris to Kinshasa to Brazzaville to Paris

KLM: Liberia and San José in Costa rica in a triangle pattern. 250km apart. KLM and TUI netherlands operate triangle flight between Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao in alternating patterns. No local rights. Islands are 70km and 100km apart. True! However there are different reasons for some triangle rout...

Re: KLM Orders/Leasing 2 x 777-300s (unconfirmed) and Converts 789s to 10s (confirmed)

Okay, I give you the 737, its replacement should've been known right now and it should've been ordered. But the 777 is still a good and modern plane and the A350 is only slightly more quiet. And if the cheap last-of-the-line planes are helping to fase out the 747 more quickly it is actually helping...

Re: AF to order A220, replace A380 with 787 or A350?

flyabr wrote:

I still think an A225 might be in the plans, which would be a nice filler between the A223 and A321!

Re: PY to replace A340 with B777

Not mine, but that'll be a fine looking 777

Re: 787 issues with the fire suppression system

They should consider a manual override then. I'm a little stunned at how the aerospace industry is handling increased automation without manual backups for everything except absolutely non-essential stuff. Well yeah but that is kind of the point, there is a manual override switch below the engine f...

Re: Is regulatory approval required for livery changes?

I don't think a regulatory body needs to approve a livery change, but (for search and rescue) the color markings of the aircraft do need to be filed on the flightplan...

Re: Paris Airshow 2019, Expectations, Gossibs, Announcements

This has been flying under the radar but the prototype for the Eviation Alice all-electric commuter plane is set to be unveiled at the airshow. They have enough funds to last for the duration of the flight test program, so they have a shot at success. https://aviationweek.com/site-files/aviationwee...

Re: KLM launches LIR

I know that once, on a one-off, KL sent the 77W to SJO, plus AF sends 77Es during the summer and 77W during the winter. How would the 77E/77W compare to the 787-9 in terms of engine-out performance here in SJO? I'm not mentioning BA because they use RR powered 777Es and AF-KL use the GE90. The diff...

Re: KLM launches LIR

This issue with terrain, while I can understand the concerns, seems a bit overblown IMO (but I'm not a dispatcher, I may be wrong) since aircraft usually make a right turn (pretty much a U turn) after like 2-3 nm when departing RW 07 (I see them all the time from my window here near SYQ). If in dou...

Re: A380 freighter?

Noshow wrote:

Combis are dead due to fire protection rules.

Re: QF64 JNB-SYD returning to JNB (27/12/2018)

cedarjet wrote:

vhqpa wrote:

Still on the ground at FAOR

What’s a FAOR?

Re: KLM will not get A350s at all

Could someone explain to me the following reasoning: We want AF to be leaner and more efficient. So what we do is go for an all 777/787 long haul fleet at KLM and a 777/787/330/350/380 fleet at AF. I just don’t get it. Someone at KLM is pulling some interesting strings. Two different companies of a...

Re: KLM will not get A350s at all

Agree this make sense. KLM doctrine used to be subfleets of less then 10 aircraft of a type doesn't make sense. That could mean a few more 787-10's are coming in. Though I would not rule out more 787-10s it is not as much of an oddball. Mx wise they have a high commonality with the 789 and pilots/c...

Re: KLM Starts 787-10 on AMS-SFO Route. But I thought the 787-10 Had No Range?

Looking at the data from the 787 airport planning document the 787 will be able to carry a payload of slightly more than 50,000kg on a route such as AMS-SFO (4756nm acc GCmap.com). Given standard passenger weights and KLM's planned config with 344 passengers, that would mean about 35,000kg would be ...

Re: China, Russia unveil Widebody to compete with Airbus, Boeing

Did they cut off a nose section of a 787? Better call it Comac 787...Not very creative from the guys at Comac.. But the main thing is..Who.s gonna order it? Are they trying to beat A and B on price? Will they build an engine to compete with Rolls and GE..Or is it gonna be a Brabazon project? A huge...

Re: HiFly A380 after a successful Summer

Thanks in part to Rolls Royce's misfortune with the Trent 1000 engines. Is it in any way relevant? Very, they are using the aircraft to cover for carriers affected by the issue. Look at Norwegian, using an A380 to replace their 787 service, because of the engine issues. Air Austral also used the A3...

Re: KLM Boeing 737-900

The 737-900 is nearly pointless without a proper C-class up front, it just doesn't add any extra seats compared to a -800 and the extra length eats the range compared to the -800 as the -900's MTOW is the same. Don't be surprised if KLM just orders 5 more 737-800's when the -900's lease ends. That,...

Re: Air Arabia pilots turn an A320 into a STOL aircraft

As a pilot, I never understood intersection takeoffs. An old adage in aviation says the three most useless things in aviation are runway behind you, altitude above you, and fuel in the fuel truck. My old Beech C23 which I sold last year had a takeoff requirement at MGTOW of something like 1600 ft i...

Re: Chengdu Airlines takes delivery of 7th ARJ21

Fair enough. Hopefully for them the delivery times won't be a problem. If not I expect them to do just fine with the ARJ

Re: Chengdu Airlines takes delivery of 7th ARJ21

Starting up an airline with ARJ21s is probably not the wisest business decision. I would say it is a strategic mistake so bad that even in the most restrictive and protectionist market conditions will bankrupt you and fast. Unless of course you have near unlimited cash to burn. Considering Chengdu ...

Re: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018

...."Long Dong" lol If that ever catches on you will have the Boeing PR people wring their hands to no end. As long as it's unofficial, I think they'd love it. The connotation is good and there is no bad PR. Besides, wasn't "LONGER" one of the A340-600's catch words painted on t...

Re: IB A346 serious close call at UIO

It looks like they were coming it at 200 knots! This landing was aborted way too late. When you're a few degrees pitch down when crossing the threshold, things can only go downhill from there. This has also got in part to do with altitude. The difference between IAS and TAS at Quito (7910ft) would ...

Re: Three pilots on JFK-EDI: Do airlines have relief pilots on 6 hour flights?

Relief pilots can be added for other reasons than flight duration. - One reason as mentioned might be biorythm though I doubt that on this one... - During a disruption a third pilot may be called out of standby to extend flight duty period. - Or the pilot's duty is longer than JFK-EDI. Perhaps for s...

Re: BA line up at JFK photo.

As someone mentioned DL at AMS:

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

My (not very educated) guess would be that with the recent Embraer dealings Boeing will "ramp up" NSA development earlier than previously anticipated. In the US resources are being freed up with the MAX and 781 rounding up, leaving only the 777X in development and Embraer is also pretty mu...

Re: Norwegian Air applies for Swedish AOC

Norwegian Air is applying for another AOC this time in Sweden. Norwegians current AOC's are: Norwegian Air Argentina - NAA Norwegian Air International - NAI Norwegian Air Norway - NAN Norwegian Air Shuttle - NAS Norwegian Air UK - NUK https://newsroom.aviator.aero/norwegian-air-shuttle-seeks-swedis...

Re: NZ to increase EZE flights from Dec. '18

LA s 787 SCL to AKL/SYD service is even worse in terms of risk. Half way between there really is no place to land. No Shemya island to land your 777 at and no Azores to glide your A330 to. 330 minutes can get very long. I believe the Arctic Pacific/south polar route should not be allowed to be flow...

Re: Airports where pax had to use stairs to board 747, DC-10, L-1011

(De)boarding a 747 with stairs is still a thing with KLM at PBM (Surinam) https://www.airportcheck.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/klm-op-paramaribo-airoprt.png All of KLM's aircraft types can be boarded via stairs: http://theskillsfarm.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/IMG_2559.jpg Kilimanjaro http://ww...

Re: Air France - KLM no 737 MAX / A320 NEO orders

Not really. The MAX/NEO order will be made on a group level. This order has been made on a company level.
This indicates KLM has a requirement sooner rather than later to receive these birds.

I am assuming the -700 leases are ending before they can receive their first MAX aircraft...

Re: Air France - KLM no 737 MAX / A320 NEO orders

KLM will add 4 new 737-800s next year, (rumored as replacement of 4 737-700s, but that's unconfirmed): PH-BCG 62578 Op. Lease Mar 2019 CFM56-7B24 30C 6Y 150M PH-BCH 62579 Op. Lease Mar 2019 CFM56-7B24 30C 6Y 150M PH-BCK 62580 Op. Lease Apr 2019 CFM56-7B24 30C 6Y 150M PH-BCL 63624 Op. Lease Apr 2019...

Re: Air Tahiti Nui reveal brand refresh

The new livery has been revealed and I think it provides a modern touch to a classic livery! Very curious to see this when it rolls out of the factory [url]https://twitter.com/AVgeeksTahiti/status/999906112865353728 [/url] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeBfi-qUwAAKtvL.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D...

Re: Heathrow reveals quietest airlines

If you look into the actual list it gives the criteria: 1. Noise quota/seat 2. Chapter number (noise certification) 3. NOx emissions/seat 4. CAEP standard (engine emissions certification) 5. Continuous Descent Approach (CDA) violations 6. Track keeping (TK) violations 7. Early or late movements betw...

Re: a MTOW increase on 787-10 to compete with A359?

I would not be surprised if this would happen, be it in a bit different matter:
787-9ER will be presented together with a 787-9ERF
787-9ER upgrades will be offered on the 787-10, making a 787-10ER

This obviously won't happen in the coming years, more like the mid 2020's or so., but I believe it will

Re: ANC-NRT feasibility on A321LR by AS/VX?

Wouldn't a ANC-FUK/CTS/KIX/NGO make more sense?
The flights would be fed on the US side from the many airports that have service to ANC and would be a one stop option for the secondary Japanese cities...
NRT/HND are easily reached using existing hubs...

Re: Rebooting a 787

The 787 is VERY sensitive regarding power switches. If after the engine start you turn off the APU too soon (and the aircraft has not properly switched to engine generators) it can mean a three hour delay! A while back I actually had the ground power fail at an outstation, that resulted in a serious...

Re: What if 9/11 hijackers got on airbus planes?

From the 9/11 Commission report, page 245: "Atta told Binalshibh he wanted to select planes departing on long flights because they would be full of fuel, and that he wanted to hijack Boeing aircraft because he believed them easier to fly than Airbus aircraft, which he understood had an autopil...