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by klm617
Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

It's too bad VS has left Detroit. Does anybody have data about the performance of the flight or why it was cancelled? (klm—data, not the drivel of a man-child) My uninformed take is that it's a brand awareness decision, although I would think Detroit as a concept/brand that has a great deal of cach...

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by klm617
Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

You know, WW could make it from KEF-DTW on their 321's without restrictions, and so could FI's new MAX 9's. This would almost be the prime time for a European LCC to get into this network. Maybe this could prevent the leakage into other airports. When the range of FI's and WW's planes get extended ...

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by klm617
Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Dtw is already in trouble there's no way you get these flights because you're in between ORD and Toronto. Airlines would rather put their planes there than in Detroit because the city is simply a dump. Everyone is loosing money in Detroit I'm surprised jetblue hasn't ended flights yet. Delta doesn'...

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by klm617
Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 Flights within the USA and North America
Replies: 57
Views: 3897

Re: 747 Flights within the USA and North America

PA/DL

ATL-IAD

TW

LAX-IAD

NW

ORD-JFK-IAD-ORD

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by klm617
Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant mistakenly boards elderly grandparents on a flight to Ogdensburg instead of Grand Rapids
Replies: 23
Views: 3097

Re: Allegiant mistakenly boards elderly grandparents on a flight to Ogdensburg instead of Grand Rapids

Link/Source: http://www.local10.com/travel/after-mistaken-journey-allegiant-air-grandparents-to-return-on-saturday 2 Elderly grandparents scheduled to fly Allegiant from FLL to Grand Rapids, MI found themselves on a flight to Ogdensburg. Allegiant Air is claim there was a malfunction of the boardin...

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by klm617
Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Does anyone remember the failed start up Jet US that flew between DTW and EWR in the early 90's with an MD80 the flights I think lasted less than a month and the company was started by a local travel agent and it was run as kind of a public charter. They used the Midway gates in concourse C

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by klm617
Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Are there any failed airline hubs in the world?
Replies: 61
Views: 7662

Re: Are there any failed airline hubs in the world?

SYR-UR
BWI, DAY-PI
CMH-HP
PHL-ML
SNN-EI
COS-WP
DFW-DL

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by klm617
Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 Flights within the USA and North America
Replies: 57
Views: 3897

Re: 747 Flights within the USA and North America

SN

YMX-ORD
YMX-DTW
YMX-MEX
YYZ-ORD

JL

YVR-MEX

TG

DFW-SEA
YYZ-SEA

CX

YVR-SFO

PR

SFO-ORD


AZ

DTW-BOS

SR

BOS-PHL

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by klm617
Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 Flights within the USA and North America
Replies: 57
Views: 3897

Re: 747 Flights within the USA and North America

lavalampluva wrote:
NW ran some 747 flights between MSP-SEA with stops in Montana/North Dakota during the 1978 pilot strike.



Yes Billings Montana not sure about the ND destination perhaps it was Fargo.

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by klm617
Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 Flights within the USA and North America
Replies: 57
Views: 3897

Re: 747 Flights within the USA and North America

NW

DTW-PHX
DTW-BOS
MSP-MEM
ORD-TPA
ORD-MIA
DTW-MKE

PA

DTW-ORD

DL

TPA-DTW
JAX-ATL


AA

DTW-ORD
DTW-LAX


NA


MIA-LAS or MIA-IAH-LAS


UA

DTW-LAX Not 100% sure about this one.

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by klm617
Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A350 Domestic Operations?
Replies: 39
Views: 7170

Re: Delta A350 Domestic Operations?

If the first A350 base really is Detroit which I'm not sold on yet and Delta does use it on the LAX-SYD route does that not mean that there would have to be a daily DTW-LAX rotation to feed this flight and is it possible that Delta will be running a one-stop flight with the routing DTW-LAX-SYD-LAX-DTW

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by klm617
Thu Mar 23, 2017 1:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

If there is really money to be made there NK could do DTW-PTY-BOG-DTW. There's virtually no local traffic DTW/PTY. If NK were to expand internationally, it'd be weekend-only seasonal service to PUJ, PVR, SJD and/or MBJ (with PUJ leading the bunch). That is the first time I have seen him/her/it pref...

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by klm617
Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A350 Domestic Operations?
Replies: 39
Views: 7170

Re: Delta A350 Domestic Operations?

Well from what I have understood is that DL plans to use the A350 on current routes from LAX and future routes from SEA. Its a rumor that the introduction flight will be ATL-LAX. But on regular use, the aircraft is to replace many 777 routes such as LAX-SYD LAX-PVG LAX-HND The 777's are to be mainl...

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by klm617
Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: One route aircraft
Replies: 51
Views: 7962

Re: One route aircraft

Braniff N601BN Boeing 747-127 DFW-HNL-DFW for many years

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by klm617
Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I may have a solution to PTY or BOG. At 6am as I was flying to DTW I drew on a piece of paper the affects we have in the market and ways it could happen. The biggest threats are ORD, YYZ and YQG. Air Canada is virtually a nightmare. Excluding the LCC's, I've done an average round trip fare from the...

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by klm617
Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta future routes from Seattle
Replies: 52
Views: 7022

Re: Delta future routes from Seattle

How about GRR-SEA on an E-jet I think that should be doable.

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by klm617
Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I used to like a.net.....up until about 2008. It used to be alot about the industry and now its just rampant fanboyism of airlines and/or airports or hub-envy. First of all let me just say that because someone works in the industry doesn't make their points any more valid than another's point of vi...

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by klm617
Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines new destinations
Replies: 30
Views: 3984

Re: Alaska Airlines new destinations

How about GRR-SEA on an E-jet I think that should be doable. Frontier at one time did GRR-DEN

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US/UK banning electronics in cabin from multiple Middle East/African countries
Replies: 369
Views: 31328

Re: Royal Jordanian banning electronics in cabin on US flights

A gesture of good faith from President Trump to the US3 to make travel on the ME3 more inconvenient. Well played Mr. Trump

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL adding SEA-ORD
Replies: 97
Views: 10508

Re: DL adding SEA-ORD

The last time my wife flew DL, which was ORD-ATL, the flight was an hour late. The inbound flight from ATL was about 1:!0 late, and they made up 10 minutes on the turnaround. On the other hand, her return on AA was early out of the gate at ATL and even earlier into ORD. The problem with DL at SEA i...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

1. I only follow this thread, so can't speak to this. 2. ^ I think you misread my wet dreams comment, and I didn't clarify: mostly, I was referring to klm's idea of DTW-AMS on KLM, MAN/DUB on DL, etc. The same conversation over and over, mostly based on wish. I agree with you compensateme that ther...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am Timetable Fall/Winter 1973
Replies: 3
Views: 937

Re: PAN AM TIMETABLE FALL/WINTER 1973

jsnww81 wrote:
I have the winter 1973/74 at home, but am on a business trip until Thursday... will try and remember to check when I get home.


Thank you I appreciate that very much.

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am Timetable Fall/Winter 1973
Replies: 3
Views: 937

Pan Am Timetable Fall/Winter 1973

Does anyone have a fall winter 1973 Pan Am Timetable I am looking for the arrival and departure times for PA flight 54 MSP-DTW-BOS-LHR-AMS and PA flight 55 AMS-LHR-BOS-DTW-MSP.

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

(1) Please explain how this differs from the lion's share of threads on a.net -- DL ORD/LAX, DL fleet renewal, 757MAX, etc. are topics that appear almost weekly, and formulate the core of the forum. (2) Please offer an explanation to the question I've asked you several times before -- why make thes...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

DTW - Hub for Delta and Spirit MSP - Hub for Delta and Sun Country (not sure who you think the 3rd is) And I don't feel that the feedback regarding DTW getting new service isn't always negative. But possibly out of being realistic. Spirit did just build a new mx hanger at DTW, so that has possibili...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

This conversation just loops in the same speculative eddy over and over again. Maybe there can be a discussion on what kind of growth the region would need to experience to bring these wet dreams to reality. \ The region right now is in the top ten in the country as far as growth so it's not dispos...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Well with about six months until the Summer 2018 additions begin to be announced what do you think the chance of any of these happing might be or are they all DOA. DTW-AMS KL Or any other suggestions you might have Do you have any idea on what a JV is and what "metal neutral" means? Yes I...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

This conversation just loops in the same speculative eddy over and over again. Maybe there can be a discussion on what kind of growth the region would need to experience to bring these wet dreams to reality. \ The region right now is in the top ten in the country as far as growth so it's not dispos...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Well with about six months until the Summer 2018 additions begin to be announced what do you think the chance of any of these happing might be or are they all DOA.

DTW-MAN DL
DTW-DUB DL
DTW-KEF FI WW
DTW-DOH QR
DTW-WAW LO
DTW-ICN KE
DTW-AMS KL

Or any other suggestions you might have

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by klm617
Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL adding SEA-ORD
Replies: 97
Views: 10508

Re: DL adding SEA-ORD

Hmm....guess it makes sense, if DL is determined to continue the evolution of SEA as it's anchor TPAC gateway. The big 3 are all on busy routes like ORD-LGA-ORD, so this may work. My concern is that ORD POS to Asia will largely be captured by UA/AA and their alliance partners so opportunities may b...

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by klm617
Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL adding SEA-ORD
Replies: 97
Views: 10508

Re: DL adding SEA-ORD

Hmm....guess it makes sense, if DL is determined to continue the evolution of SEA as it's anchor TPAC gateway. The big 3 are all on busy routes like ORD-LGA-ORD, so this may work. My concern is that ORD POS to Asia will largely be captured by UA/AA and their alliance partners so opportunities may b...

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by klm617
Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-China...underserved market?
Replies: 56
Views: 3640

Re: BOS-China...underserved market?

I'm sure our friends in DTW will say that CAN, CTU, and all the other secondary China cities served via SFO/LAX/JFK, are much better served via DTW. DTW has a better location, better hub, more secondary China O&D than NY, LA, SF, and CHI combined! Not to mention DTW and CAN have the highest per...

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by klm617
Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Trump calls for air traffic control spin-off in budget
Replies: 37
Views: 5822

Re: Trump calls for air traffic control spin-off in budget

As long as it is run as a not for profit organization and no taxes or surcharges get added to ticket prices to line the pockets of some investor group. I see this as nothing more than a money grab. We need to remember that the reason the TSA exists is because airport security run by the private sect...

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by klm617
Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I suspect that it's too late for ME3 carriers to arrive in Detroit, particularly with the regressive, acrimonious foreign policy direction of the Trump administration. For me it's not an economic judgment, but a political one. The openness and global collaboration that allowed the ME3 and other car...

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by klm617
Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta introduces new Alessi products
Replies: 27
Views: 5231

Re: Delta introduces new Alessi products

How will this enhance one's flying experience in standard coach ?

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by klm617
Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I was looking at seat maps for a few weird flights like the 757 that goes to IND, it appears the flight remains relatively full, only about an average of 15 seats open, which isn't bad for DTW-IND on a 757. I was looking at ALB and it depends on the day, there could be 60 seats open on an A320 or a...

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by klm617
Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Who is coming to DTW first? WOW or Icelandair? Could DTW support both? I think for the Detroit market Icelandair would be better but my gut tells me it's going to be WOW Air. I really don't think the market can support both but if this really is a hub for Spirit like you say I think a hook up betwe...

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by klm617
Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China Eastern to start PVG-IAH
Replies: 54
Views: 6659

Re: China Eastern to start PVG-IAH

Kudos to IAH! I have no idea how IAH attracts so many airlines!?! I know the oil is there, but there is no comparison between IAH and DFW just a few hours north! I was there just yesterday, stunned at the lineup, and not pictured is Air China, Air New Zealand, ANA, Eva, Korean, Singapore, and Turki...

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by klm617
Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More new AS Routes!
Replies: 155
Views: 15196

Re: More new AS Routes!

I don't get all the whining about DTW? They have tons of service, and obviously the bulk is DL but there's still plenty of other options. They had Spirit long before most major metros did. The economy hasn't been exactly robust over the past 15 years either. Nonetheless, they have nonstops to Europ...

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by klm617
Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More new AS Routes!
Replies: 155
Views: 15196

Re: More new AS Routes!

iFlyDTW wrote:
Eventually they'll add SAN and PDX to DTW, I'm staying positive! :)


Yeah maybe I the year 2525 this airport and it's leadership is so pathetic.

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by klm617
Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More new AS Routes!
Replies: 155
Views: 15196

Re: More new AS Routes!

I could see Alaska adding the following: SAN-RDU SAN-OMA SAN-IND SAN-FLL SAN-IAD PDX-FLL SAN-TPA PDX- MSY SAN-AUS PDX-IND SAN-STL PDX-SAT SAN-MCI PDX-TPA SAN-SAT PDX-RDU SAN-MKE DTW- LAX,PDX & SAN SAN-ATL PDX-BNA SAN-PHL Thank you for the vote of confidence by suggesting DTW- LAX,PDX & SAN ...

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by klm617
Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: World's Best airports 2016
Replies: 10
Views: 1706

Re: World's Best airports 2016

dmt52 wrote:
This list is a joke. ATL and LAX ahead of DTW?



Exactly Atlanta as number 43 it's a horrific airport to transfer at don't know how anyone rate it as acceptable same with Heathrow another nightmare

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by klm617
Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: U.S. Airports and Cost Per Enplanement; Comparisons? List?
Replies: 56
Views: 3436

Re: U.S. Airports and Cost Per Enplanement; Comparisons? List?

The complete list from 2015 filed by the top 180 airports with the FAA. Ask me and i'll tell you. Airport CPE ATL $2.86 ORD$14.65 LAX $14.07 DFW$8.75 JFK $24.62 DEN $11.97 SFO $16.60 CLT $3.04 LAS $11.79 PHX $5.99 MIA $19.93 SEA $10.12 IAH $10.27 MCO$7.73 EWR$28.31 MSP$6.17 DTW$9.86 BOS$14.54 PHL $...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More new AS Routes!
Replies: 155
Views: 15196

Re: More new AS Routes!

I think DTW would be better geographically positioned than either MCI or MSP plus the fact they would only need to go up against DL as in MSP you have Sun Country and Delta both to contend with. I am assuming you can run RJ-175s to MCI/MSP to the east and west coast and you can't run them to DTW fr...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More new AS Routes!
Replies: 155
Views: 15196

Re: More new AS Routes!

Hi Everyone. First of all, this is my first post. Thank You for all the years of fun reading and dedication you have all poured into this site. Now, into the good stuff. When Alaska Airlines first announced SFO-MSP it raised an eyebrow. The times of the flights didnt "add up." It was obvi...

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by klm617
Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: More new AS Routes!
Replies: 155
Views: 15196

Re: More new AS Routes!

400+ mile Q400 routes are staying Q400 Not true, most all longer stage regional flying will be E-175's once QX has their 30+ from AAG & OO is flying an additional 30 or so on behalf of AAG under the Alaska banner. Hopefully OMA-SAN, that would make me super happy!!! I think there is a much larg...

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by klm617
Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates reports 35% drop in bookings to US as a result of travel ban
Replies: 88
Views: 15303

Re: Emirates reports 35% drop in bookings to US as a result of travel ban

kaitakfan wrote:
Ohh no, poor Emirates can't fill their vast fleet of A380's that they have dumped in the USA? Such a shame...



I would gladly love to see them dump some of that capacity in the Detroit market but sadly that is becoming more and more remote if ever as the days go on with news like this.

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by klm617
Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Launches BOS-DUB, JFK-LIS; Relaunches JFK-TXL
Replies: 90
Views: 14286

Re: Delta Launches BOS-DUB, JFK-LIS; Relaunches JFK-TXL

I'm quite surprised about BOS-DUB and JFK-LIS. JFK-TXP is understandable since it seems that TXL has a lot of demand. Maybe JFK-LIS is just being started to stop TP from flying JFK-LIS? It could be affecting DL quite badly with them having quite some cheap tickets at the moment. These are seasonal ...

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by klm617
Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 238
Views: 9686

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

How was MUC supposed to go? DL never mentioned that this route would be year-round. I find it interesting that MUC has almost as many O&D passengers as AMS. Granted AMS is a hub connecting hub, but for as much connectivity as there is, the fact that MUC has almost as much traffic as AMS, indica...

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by klm617
Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Launches BOS-DUB, JFK-LIS; Relaunches JFK-TXL
Replies: 90
Views: 14286

Re: Delta Launches BOS-DUB, JFK-LIS; Relaunches JFK-TXL

I wonder if AC and AB are putting a lot of pressure on DL or there just isn't enough demand for DL to serve the market. I think coming along with the 4th(!) daily flight on NYC-BER they are too late to the party. Yes true. Is there even a chance that they might cancel the service before the summer?...

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