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by klm617
Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

1. As it has been pointed out several times already, the 744s that were operating DTW-ICN/PVG were too much plane. By replacing it with the A350, they've right-sized capacity for the routes, and they used the opportunity to introduce new soft-product that competes with the Premium Economy offerings...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

1. As it has been pointed out several times already, the 744s that were operating DTW-ICN/PVG were too much plane. By replacing it with the A350, they've right-sized capacity for the routes, and they used the opportunity to introduce new soft-product that competes with the Premium Economy offerings...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL S18 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type
Replies: 116
Views: 14152

Re: DL S18 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

The crazy thing to me about ATL is not just the number of flights, but how it can do such a high %age as mainline. To put it in perspective, distant 2nd DTW (well under half the number of flights to ATL) still has 25% more DL Connection flights than ATL. And the number of CRJ's in Atlanta alone, wi...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL S18 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type
Replies: 116
Views: 14152

Re: DL S18 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

Great job on this! The G concourse in DTW also hosted the Fairchild Metro's lets not forget those sardine cans. Cant wait for the CSeries to start showing up, especially in the D. Those Md88's can have fun in ATL, I avoid them and ATL at all cost, same with the MD90's, I like my upgraded interiors ...

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by klm617
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL S18 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type
Replies: 116
Views: 14152

Re: DL S18 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

BNA CR9: 12 E75: 7 717: 6 M88: 11 319: 1 738: 4 Total = 41 (11 destinations) 53.7% mainline - Rumored to get a +1 SEA - 6 of 11 ATLs are going to 757 from M88 on 07AUG - Station staff have been told to expect ~50 flights/peak day by end of 2018 - I had assumed a lower mainline % since BNA does OO a...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

So we still have 27 flights a week to the best connecting airport in Europe (IMO), some of which are on A350s, but that still isn't good enough for some people... Any reduction is not a good sign when all other hubs are getting increases. And yet, comparing the full year 2018 to the full year 2017,...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

They canceled DTW-AMS/PVG/ICN? When did this happen? They didn't cancel it ICN/PVG was reduced in capacity and they started ATL-PVG/ICN. AMS same thing reduced capacity on the daily flights and added capacity at MSP but they are not completely canceled. 1. As it has been pointed out several times a...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

As of today MSP-AMS 26 weekly flights (including KLM) DTW-AMS 27 weekly flights Yes and before it was. MSP-AMS 21 weekly flights DTW-AMS 28 weekly flights So we still have 27 flights a week to the best connecting airport in Europe (IMO), some of which are on A350s, but that still isn't good enough ...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

As of today MSP-AMS 26 weekly flights (including KLM) DTW-AMS 27 weekly flights Yes and before it was. MSP-AMS 21 weekly flights DTW-AMS 28 weekly flights It is the good people of Minneapolis-St. Paul who should be complaining, not the whiners from Detroit. The Twin Cities is the second-largest eco...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

They canceled DTW-AMS/PVG/ICN? When did this happen? They didn't cancel it ICN/PVG was reduced in capacity and they started ATL-PVG/ICN. AMS same thing reduced capacity on the daily flights and added capacity at MSP but they are not completely canceled. As of today MSP-AMS 26 weekly flights (includ...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

If DL really hated DTW don’t you think they’d relocate their international service to another hub!!? They are slowly. They have moved AMS capacity to MSP and they have moved PVG and ICN capacity to ATL Good job reading off of imaginary tea leaves, buddy! Really ICN and PVG have been reduced out of ...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

if DUB won’t work then why does EI publicly say they want to fly it? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/news/aer-lingus-us-ireland-cities-flights.amp I don't think its a question of whether or not it would work, but who it would work for. It likely wouldn't work for Delta because the...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

If DL really hated DTW don’t you think they’d relocate their international service to another hub!!? They are slowly. They have moved AMS capacity to MSP and they have moved PVG and ICN capacity to ATL They canceled DTW-AMS/PVG/ICN? When did this happen? They didn't cancel it ICN/PVG was reduced in...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

lavalampluva wrote:
If DL really hated DTW don’t you think they’d relocate their international service to another hub!!?



They are slowly. They have moved AMS capacity to MSP and they have moved PVG and ICN capacity to ATL

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

if DUB won’t work then why does EI publicly say they want to fly it? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/news/aer-lingus-us-ireland-cities-flights.amp That article doesn't say "they want to fly it"; it says they were considering ten cities, and Detroit was one of them. It al...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next Lufthansa Group longhaul destinations
Replies: 84
Views: 14720

Re: Next Lufthansa Group longhaul destinations

DTW-MUC

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

I want to thank the citizens of DTW catchment for subsidizing my sub $1000 flight to Croatia on AF/DL/OU from BOS last summer.... or should I be thanking the lower cost carriers EI/FI/WW/DY/MT/S4/TP at BOS instead? I agree with you - its a fact that there are SE Michigan residents who want to go to...

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread 2018
Replies: 223
Views: 23674

Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

MAH4546 wrote:
JetBlue Mint on DTW-LAX.

Now I’ve heard everything.


Awesome isn't it :-)

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by klm617
Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

That's because markets like Detroit with their high airfares is subsidizing those market that are paying less. Why should I a resident of Detroit pay twice as much for flights to Europe just so people in NYC, ORD and BOS can fly for half as much and you guys all rubber stamp that practice. I want t...

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by klm617
Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

It used to be one homer on this thread, we now have a second homer that thinks DTW is the only airport in North America What’s in the water in Detroit or have you all been spending time in “decriminalized states?” Too much fresh water!!! Second largest in the world. How is it different from other f...

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by klm617
Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

There are reasons why New York would have significantly more service than Detroit, and it goes beyond population statistics. New York plays a key role in both the global financial industry and the American business community, is the cultural heart of the nation, and acts as one of the country's pri...

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by klm617
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

It used to be one homer on this thread, we now have a second homer that thinks DTW is the only airport in North America What’s in the water in Detroit or have you all been spending time in “decriminalized states?” Optimism my friend and critical thinking something most people reject in fear because...

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by klm617
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

Speaking from the India end of the debate, a nonstop or even one stop DTW link is a bit low on the shopping list, considering that LAX still lacks a nonstop to India, BOM has no nonstop beyond EWR, and other Indian gateways are still one stop away from even NYC. All I said that DTW-BOM stands a bet...

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by klm617
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

It used to be one homer on this thread, we now have a second homer that thinks DTW is the only airport in North America What’s in the water in Detroit or have you all been spending time in “decriminalized states?” Optimism my friend and critical thinking something most people reject in fear because...

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by klm617
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

makes for a toxic conversation or hurts professionals. On any ABC-XYZ service announcement thread, 777Mech gaslights the thread with an insult to Detroit, winginit puts more gas with additional insults and Laxdude brings some old useless foreign-born data. I haven't seen any of this because I just ...

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by klm617
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL announces MSP - ICN
Replies: 168
Views: 20056

Re: DL announces MSP - ICN

KE would maintain ATL. Large O&D / DL hub and being the only KE operated southeastern US-ICN route, they would want to stay visible in spite of the JV. If anything DL may hand over ATL-ICN to KE and use the A350 on another route or KE just keep the A380 that returns soon.[/quote] I also think t...

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by klm617
Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread 2018
Replies: 223
Views: 23674

Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

When can we expect some additions in the Detroit market. DTW-MCO and DTW-JFK are long overdue. Perhaps they might try something westward like SJC-DTW

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by klm617
Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

As I stated above. CC ZIPCODE is useless until the data providers release their data (Expedia). If Network planners had an accurate date for this, it would be the holy grail. Literally. Unless things have changed. ... None of us are trying to have a personal bone with you (atleast I am not), but we...

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by klm617
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors
Replies: 50
Views: 8099

Re: Air Niugini Dash8 burned by protestors

I would say it's a blessing then that he didn't win if this is what his supporters act like.

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by klm617
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28126

Re: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka

cvgComair wrote:
Not shocked at all by the news, but it is definitely unfortunate. I have booked multiple $700 CVG-SEA-HKG RT tickets in the past few years. I figured they weren't making much money off of the flight.



Now you can fly CVG-DTW-ICN-HKG

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by klm617
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28126

Re: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka

Had a chuckle about how they talk about being Seattle's "global" airline, and now that "global" airline won't be flying to HKG. Crazy to think DL metal won't be in HKG. Is a flight to HKG what makes a carrier global or not? No, but the DL critics will spin this that it's Sea hub...

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by klm617
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28126

Re: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka

I'd much rather fly one of the quality TPAC J products to TYO and ride the Shinkansen to Osaka than be stuck in an ancient DL 76W, a UA 788 with pmCO 2-2-2 seats or a regionally-configured JL 788. Be my guest. You're free to travel anyway you wish. Actually the DL 767-300ERs have been refurbished w...

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by klm617
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28126

Re: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka

Alright folks, It’s been a good work day. Anyways, it’s time to discuss current events in the online aviation community. I don’t see HKG returning in the long run, as DL was known to struggle with this route in the present.past. Either way, it is surprising. If DL is willing to try KIX, which is a ...

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by klm617
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28126

Re: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka

cvgComair wrote:
Not shocked at all by the news, but it is definitely unfortunate. I have booked multiple $700 CVG-SEA-HKG RT tickets in the past few years. I figured they weren't making much money off of the flight.



Why would Delta even offer tickets at that price ?

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka
Replies: 308
Views: 28126

Re: Delta to cut Seattle-Hong Kong, announces Seattle-Osaka

What, Delta is cutting a route from SEA? But their local radio commercials say they are doubling down on Seattle as the [scientifically proven] center of the universe! Technically, they are just swapping routes. No change in frequency. I know that's not your point but just throwing it out there. It...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

I saw some people throughout the thread have been complaining that DTW leaks to ORD. So, have you run a leakage analysis to determine this? Do you know that Point of Sale data (the key data used to determine this) in Sabre, OAG and other market intelligence sources is not complete at all? Expedia a...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

So, have you run a leakage analysis to determine this? Do you know that Point of Sale data (the key data used to determine this) in Sabre, OAG and other market intelligence sources is not complete at all? Expedia and other booking websites refuse to share it, so when you run a POS report on a route...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

So, have you run a leakage analysis to determine this? Do you know that Point of Sale data (the key data used to determine this) in Sabre, OAG and other market intelligence sources is not complete at all? Expedia and other booking websites refuse to share it, so when you run a POS report on a route...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

I saw some people throughout the thread have been complaining that DTW leaks to ORD. So, have you run a leakage analysis to determine this? Do you know that Point of Sale data (the key data used to determine this) in Sabre, OAG and other market intelligence sources is not complete at all? Expedia a...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

First of all Delta doesn't even feel it can compete in the New York Tokyo market to business powerhouse cities with zero ME3 low fare competition and a lot of high yielding traffic but yet everyone thinks it can compete in the NYC-India market which is for the most part low yielding not to mention ...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airports where pax had to use stairs to board 747, DC-10, L-1011
Replies: 225
Views: 12477

Re: Airports where pax had to use stairs to board 747, DC-10, L-1011

I have no idea about outside the USA....but in the USA The only one I know for sure is CLT My analysis on others MIA - when the 747 arrived in 1970, I think all the gates had bridges. JAX - opened in 1968, all gates had bridges TPA - new terminal opened before the tri-jets flew. Not sure if any air...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

[ Actually you're wrong the region is one of the fastest growing economically. Please provide data about the tri county area to back that statement up. Obviously you are not from the Detroit area. Is it now? Oh this should be good. Graph below, with the data source being the United States Census Bur...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

Per Forbes and last I checked Grand Rapids is in Michigan the biggest mistake people make is looking at the city of Detroit it's self which in no way reflects the growth in this region and that has be repeated over and over again. That's like saying that traffic adds at ORD should be purely based on...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

That's pretty anemic growth for a major hub with a commercial aviation industry that is growing in leeps and bounds. I think we are about to see the Spirit growth come to an end as out of all the announcements there was really nothing significant added at DTW. Not to mention Detroit just took anoth...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

That's pretty anemic growth for a major hub with a commercial aviation industry that is growing in leeps and bounds. Respectfully, that 'anemic growth' trends with both the GDP and Population growth of metro Detroit, which pale in comparison to most other cities with major hubs as I'm sure you're w...

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by klm617
Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

Detroit is going to further slip in the airport rankings as more service is moved away from Detroit to Atlanta and now to MSP. I must have missed the part of the Delta announcement where they said that DTW-ICN capacity would be reduced as a result of the MSP-ICN add? DL didn't launch MSP-ICN becaus...

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by klm617
Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1154
Views: 69228

Re: Detroit air service discussion - 2018

YTD growth went from nearly -2% recovering to +0.5% in April '18. Growth this year will probably look like 0.5-0.25% which is not bad considering there's only 1 airline with exponential growth, NK. That's pretty anemic growth for a major hub with a commercial aviation industry that is growing in le...

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by klm617
Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL announces MSP - ICN
Replies: 168
Views: 20056

Re: RUMOR: DL to Announce MSP - ICN

I wonder if DL can shuffle things around and find the slack to fly MSP-HND on the A330-200 year round (they've used that aircraft on the route before, but only in the winter). Moving from a 291-seat aircraft to a 234-seat aircraft would help the loads quite a bit. The timing would probably work pre...

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by klm617
Wed Jun 13, 2018 6:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL announces MSP - ICN
Replies: 168
Views: 20056

Re: DL announces MSP - ICN

Congrats to MSP for landing this new route.

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