Potential brand damage is a compelling argument against the idea but it’s likely the only serious one. Disney commands such a premium from its guests margin will not be an issue. Vertical integration helps to level out the lows. Airfare expensive causing more people to drive and less likely to stay ...
Jump to postDelta would be more likely to do London over AMS from CVG especially if they do start putting some flights into LGW. I don’t see Delta burning an LHR slot pair on CVG, but AMS is even less likely as it would be redundant with CDG for its main purpose and Paris is the bigger destination draw for O&am...
Jump to postLGW isn’t that much more difficult to get to and from then city center than LHR. I think if DL ends up with either a smaller Boeing NMA or the A321XLR and they can acquire slots at LGW, you could see them strengthen their position in mid-market cities like CVG, IND, PIT, RDU, STL, NSH and CMH. With ...
Jump to postJust a question as a Delta flyer who knows little about inner workings of AFKL... why is it assumed that DL would bail on KL in the event of an ugly divorce between AF and KL? Delta has made its money on operational excellence. Isn’t KLM stronger in terms of reliability stemming from improved labor ...
Jump to postI just did DTW-AMS and that was about 7.5 hours. CVG-MLH is 500 miles longer which may push 9 hours on the way back. That’s a long time in a narrowbody but I’d like to see the flight happen too.
Jump to postI guess technically MLH is across the border in France. https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/swiss-skies-is-looking-for-investors-for-airbus-a321lr-flights-from-euroairport-basel-to-the-us-and-the-world/ https://www.thelocal.ch/20180910/is-switzerland-set-to-get-a-new-low-cost-long-distance-airline ht...
Jump to posthttps://www.aviation24.be/airlines/swiss-skies-is-looking-for-investors-for-airbus-a321lr-flights-from-euroairport-basel-to-the-us-and-the-world/ https://www.thelocal.ch/20180910/is-switzerland-set-to-get-a-new-low-cost-long-distance-airline https://thepointsguy.com/news/swiss-skies-to-offer-cheap-e...
Jump to postWhile likely impossible to quantify and acknowledging the other airlines were able to benefit from solely Delta’s investment, I wonder how much less Delta was able to pay for jet fuel as a result of market prices being depressed. I can’t imagine the markets would have thought Delta was going to use ...
Jump to postAs a primarily DL flyer I’ve been on 767s LAX-ATL/JFK and SEA-MSP and 753s DTW-LAX/SEA. I don’t think we’ll see them add anything like the 330R until those types are retired. If a 797 that is lighter than the 330R is released that would likely win out. Even then, it would need to be able to be acqui...
Jump to postI’m know I may be in the minority among CVG flyers but whereas I always root for more service, i think the route network is pretty good. With multiple frequencies to US3 hubs we’re one stop from many destinations. With the CDG flight we’re one stop to much of Europe. Do we have 4x to LA anymore on D...
Jump to postNice to see the Midwest get some more service. I wonder if BA choosing the larger market (PIT) over lack of competition to Europe (STL, CMH) says anything about the UK air passenger duty effecting their ability to compete for connecting traffic. It seems they’d rather service markets that are more l...
Jump to postI apologize in advance as I’m merely an enthusiast and not in the industry. I look forward to everyone’s take on this. With the CSeries/A220 able to eventually replace the A320 size market with a stretch to a 500 model, does Airbus have an advantage in prepping for the coming NMA showdown? As Boeing...
Jump to postSo it's only 2 of the currently 5 weekly frequencies are being switched to Joon. The other 3 are still AF?
Jump to postOther nearby airports have made SEA work on both AS and DL, including IND, BNA, RDU, etc, so I don't see why AS can't make it work from CVG. All three of those markets are exactly what I’m talking about. Each has flights to SEA, LAX and SFO. I just don’t think AS has the equipment to spare to do th...
Jump to postAs far as passenger service, if Amazon is serious about this cargo hub, then I think it is inevitable AS jumps on CVG-SEA at some point, as DL is the only carrier on that route at the moment. There should be enough traffic that both can thrive. My guess is we won’t see a one-off route from AS which...
Jump to postI only searched in August but it looks to be a single daily that leaves late. Not timed for connections it seems.
Jump to postADrum23 wrote:I feel CVG would need more connecting traffic to make a CVG-LHR flight successful without hurting the existing CVG-CDG service.
Flight came in from JAX this early this morning just after midnight. No scheduled flight out for N815NW. Anyone have an idea why it’s here? Charter? That’s not equipment we typically see here.
Jump to postThey have a phenomenal operation that keeps unexpected non-operating costs to a minimum. Cancelling flights cost an airline a lot of money. They have labor peace and a workforce that genuinely seems to want to deliver a great product because they have a financial stake in the success of the company....
Jump to postI still think CMH could land BA but the LCCs may have passed them by. They have a slightly larger AA presence than CVG and CLE and no TATL to compete with. Columbus is a decent size market, but I wonder if some airlines (especiallythe LCCs) are starting to think that they can pull the market a coupl...
Jump to postI expect fares on the CVG-CDG flight to stay high due to the premium demand, but this could bode well for connecting fares on DL. There's no way they cede connecting service to WW out of CVG. And DTW doesn't have premium demand? I was referring to DL not feeling the need to drop the fares on the di...
Jump to postWill be interesting to see what DL does on flights to Europe now from CVG. CVG-LHR is running $1400 r/t through DTW for the second week of May. Assuming $149 each way plus $60 for a checked bag, $20 for a meal, and $10 for a seat assignment, DL is looking at competing with a $500 all-in fare to Euro...
Jump to postI know the news/CVG tried to frame it as positive by talking about YOY, but average fares in 2017 Q1 actually increased. While fares are getting better, CVG is still quite above the national average. Here is a chart of the average fare prices: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati/Northern_Kentu...
Jump to postLong, thin routes from JFK/LGA, LAX, and SEA. Think routes that only fill one frequency on a 738 or 320. Examples may be: SEA-CVG/IND/CLE LAX-CMH/PIT/STL JFK-DEN/AUS/OKC LGA-DFW/STL/RSW Really doubt you will see them going into the middle of country hubs like ATL, DTW and MSP because the 717s can ha...
Jump to postBA is not going to CVG, at least not in the medium term. The only Ohio city on BA's radar, if we believe the press in Columbus, is CMH. CVG's realistic shot at LHR is DL. I mean it's a DL hub, no? Agreed. AA only has hub flights to CVG and AS doesn't serve the market so BA has virtually no feed on ...
Jump to postJust a hunch but I don't think DL will lose their business contracts in Cincinnati any time soon and that should keep them here. The companies in town that airlines would fight for pretty much all have wide footprints including international demand. The only airlines that could go to a company and l...
Jump to postI can't see NK doing CVG unless they came in right now while WN basically has no planes to spare for expansion. Even then it would likely destroy yields. G4 and F9 are pretty entrenched at CVG and DL is still a pretty formidable force here on leisure routes. Why would NK want to deal with that with ...
Jump to postWhat are the Florida routes like from CVG? As in Airlines and daily/weekly flights for each? Just curious how saturated it already is. Southwest would have competitive advantages over Delta, Frontier, and Allegiant on CVG-MCO nonstop service if it adds nonstop service from MCO out of CVG. Southwest...
Jump to postI think Delta would be the key. I wonder if DL would be willing to pony up enough cash to help KLM buy itself out of the AFKL group. Further, I think DL and KL would then have to look at a way to placate AF and its pilots. Maybe that looks like AF flying more of the TATL JV flights or incentivizing ...
Jump to postThe runway is sandwiched between two bodies of water with roads on each end. Unless you're creating more land with your project, there is no where to go. Also as a previous poster mentioned, there is a mountain not too far away to the east. I've noticed more planes than usual have been taking off to...
Jump to postI've been coming to SXM for 20 years and I'm actually here right now. It's low season and Maho Beach is packed as usual. The road may be rerouted but there's no way the government shuts down one of their prime attractions. It's my understanding the concrete barriers are designed to keep sand off the...
Jump to postIt would be nice if DL would base a few CS100s here, or perhaps open a 717 base once they come back from the West Coast. I think the 717 base is much more likely but not a probable. If they are going to open a 737 base at CVG it may not happen either. 737s plus CRJ/7/9s take care of pretty much any...
Jump to postMaybe CVG has reached an agreement with DL on those four B gates that have been discussed lately. Four gates in the hands of F9 or WN would be interesting. No way G4 is going to actually try to pitch connections. If F9 is committed to ULCC model I have trouble seeing it for them as well. I doubt UA ...
Jump to postHere is a completely unfeasible and spectacularly bad plan for Ohio airports: http://wksu.org/post/ohio-lawmaker-wants-two-new-airport-hubs#stream/0 Spending $15B on two super hubs that no airline wants is dumb. If you're really about attracting new service, you can subsidize a bunch of routes you ...
Jump to postPDX-CVG is likely out of the range of the AS E75s, correct? Any 319s in the VX fleet?
Jump to postHere is a completely unfeasible and spectacularly bad plan for Ohio airports: http://wksu.org/post/ohio-lawmaker-wants-two-new-airport-hubs#stream/0 Spending $15B on two super hubs that no airline wants is dumb. If you're really about attracting new service, you can subsidize a bunch of routes you ...
Jump to postWith P&G a large customer on the CVGBOS route and a valuable corporate account, I highly doubt DL will not pull out all the stops to defend it. Both CVG and BOS are mini hubs. Whoever tries it better be ready to fight.
Jump to postNot based on anything but a guess, but I'd venture to say we'll see WN add LAX and HOU before DAL. Frankly I wouldn't be surprised by LAS, OAK and SAN before DAL too.
Jump to postThere are enough runways serving Ohio. If it's burning a hole in your pocket, spend the $15B on rail links connecting the major metros and their airports. Growing a catchment area with improved rail will do more to convince an airline to add service than building a redundant airport.
Jump to postCVG will never be scheduled like a hub again by DL as DTW is way too close. But with the nice selection of directs it still enjoys and the continued presence of a SkyClub, those flights from the other midwestern business markets can be timed to serve two purposes. If you bring them in early and send...
Jump to postNorwegian could make things interesting in the Midwest when their A321neoLRs start arriving in 2019.
Jump to postB6 is NYC/BOS centric. They appear to ignore the destination side of O&D and focus on where their hometown residents want to go. When the economy was bad and fuel prices high this wasn't a bad strategy. But now that travel is up and fuel prices are down they need to look at who wants to go to NY...
Jump to postWith all these potential new freight flights in the coming years, it will be interesting to see how competitive CVG gets with its landing fees. The airport CEO is already quoted as saying this will have a direct impact on attracting new passenger services by being able to lower landing fees overall.
Jump to posthttp://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/2 ... /97283034/
Wonder how much this will affect ILN's budding Amazon Prime Air business? Is there a reason to run at both locations?
Delta likes frequency in luring business passengers, so I would not surprised at all to see frequency increase from SEA on markets currently served a few times a day with larger aircraft down to the C series with more flights... Think SEA-MKE... which always did well on Midwest could easily go x3 d...
Jump to postI'm biased as CVG is my home airport, but CVG makes a lot of sense for Delta even with the major reduction in service with the hub drawdown over the years. - CVG-LHR can be done with a 752 - Unlike RDU-LHR, there would be no competition on the route - CVG-CDG does quite well with the forward cabin a...
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