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by Egerton
Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BBG: GE Engine Venture May Oust Rolls From Emirates A380 Contract
Replies: 32
Views: 3271

Re: BBG: GE Engine Venture May Oust Rolls From Emirates A380 Contract

As per Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-22/ge-engine-venture-may-oust-rolls-from-emirates-a380-contract Is it really likely that Emirates pivots back to Engine Alliance for the A380? - Based on my understanding the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 is the technologically superior prod...

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by Egerton
Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BBG: GE Engine Venture May Oust Rolls From Emirates A380 Contract
Replies: 32
Views: 3271

Re: BBG: GE Engine Venture May Oust Rolls From Emirates A380 Contract

As per Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-22/ge-engine-venture-may-oust-rolls-from-emirates-a380-contract Is it really likely that Emirates pivots back to Engine Alliance for the A380? - Based on my understanding the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 is the technologically superior prod...

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by Egerton
Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

Thinking aloud (always a risk) I reckon that very roughly by fag packet a single A380 will produce 6 million seat km of capacity per year. IAG produced 306,185 seat km of capacity in 2017, so each additional A380 would add c 2% of additional capacity over the existing IAG plan. Thoughts please?

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by Egerton
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

No, they have a far greater asset, the Dubai Government. Thanks. Perhaps you have a greater confidence in the future stability of the Middle East region than I have? And I am by nature an optimist. All the same, just one customer is not a good basis for the optimism if not euphoria, on the future o...

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by Egerton
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

Are we generally spending too much energy on this thread while forgetting that: They are not a blue chip firm, are they? No, they have a far greater asset, the Dubai Government. Thanks. Perhaps you have a greater confidence in the future stability of the Middle East region than I have? And I am by ...

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by Egerton
Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

Are we generally spending too much energy on this thread while forgetting that: 1. Airbus need to fill the production line every year to the point where an A380 neo comes along. So orders of a few for early delivery will be of only limited help. Who knows where EK will be in 10 years time? They are ...

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by Egerton
Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

A. It can’t be that bad because GE Aviation in Cardiff overhauls all the RB211s for BA. B. They had GE powered 777-200ERs long before they had GE powered 77Ws C. The youngest 77W is 2014 built and are extremely useful to BA such as exclusively on the SYD route. They aren’t going anywhere until the ...

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by Egerton
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

With BA having such a poor relationship with GE I wonder why they took 777W's as compensation for delayed 787's, ah well, I guess it would not be a shock if as soon as the A350-1000 arrive they get rid of the 777W's. No chance. Half of BA's original batch of eight are leased frames, there's a very ...

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by Egerton
Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

Well the 777W is all GE and if their relationship is that bad...... A. It can’t be that bad because GE Aviation in Cardiff overhauls all the RB211s for BA. B. They had GE powered 777-200ERs long before they had GE powered 77Ws C. The youngest 77W is 2014 built and are extremely useful to BA such as...

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by Egerton
Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

I honestly thought BA would go for the 777-9 - do you guys think that proposition is dead now? It will not even be considered by IAG until the it moves from being a paper aeroplane to an EIS one. Really? If IAG did have such a policy, why did BA order A350-1000s and 787-10s before either had even f...

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by Egerton
Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

Whalejet wrote:
I honestly thought BA would go for the 777-9 - do you guys think that proposition is dead now?


It will not even be considered by IAG until the it moves from being a paper aeroplane to an EIS one.

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by Egerton
Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

In specific terms of LHR-JFK for BA, here's a little comparison I put together the last time the topic of the A380 there came up (three weeks ago :/ ) BA CONFIGURATIONS AS AT DEC-2017 A388 F14 J97 W55 Y303 B744 F14 J86 W30 Y145 ("V4"; Super-High-J) B77W F14 J56 W44 Y185 B789 F08 J42 W39 Y...

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by Egerton
Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates signs a commitment for 36 additional A380's
Replies: 417
Views: 45623

Re: Emirates signs a commitment for 36 additional A380's

My suggestion is for a plug compatible CTi fan which will not offer more thrust, which the T900 has in abundance. But it will save weight to benefit EK, and get the technology well proven for the benefit of RR. The T900 is much lighter than either T XWB. Is there any benefit for RR? Can RR recover ...

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by Egerton
Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s
Replies: 237
Views: 33271

Re: Airbus Is in Talks With British Airways on More A380s

In my post "Fact Based Discussion on IAG for 2018" of three weeks ago, I wrote this: 4. Friday, February 23, 2018 is the date for IAG's full year results. We will be given an update on their thoughts for 2018. Will IAG have another set of cracking good financial results with an increased d...

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by Egerton
Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates signs a commitment for 36 additional A380's
Replies: 417
Views: 45623

Re: Emirates signs a commitment for 36 additional A380's

Would EK be placated is RR offered the current Trent 900 engine with the new CTi fan? Or just go with 970B- 84 like other operators. EK has no need of 972B- 84 for its missions and loads. Why unnecessarily imagine higher thrust requirement and send RR on a wild goose chase. For the record, I know t...

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by Egerton
Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates signs a commitment for 36 additional A380's
Replies: 417
Views: 45623

Re: Emirates signs a commitment for 36 additional A380's

Looking to the future (now that there is one for the aircraft) I note that Rolls Royce began testing their Advance 3 test engine in December. This engine has the completely new core,an XWB fan and a T1000 back end.It also has fitted (I believe) the new power gearbox (built in Germany) that has alre...

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:16 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Rolls-Royce announces further simplification
Replies: 0
Views: 363

Rolls-Royce announces further simplification

https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press-releases/yr-2018/17-01-2018-rr-announces-further-simplification-of-business.aspx From the Military view point, the following might be of interest: "Regardless of the outcome of this strategic review, Rolls-Royce will retain the Marine operations which sup...

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rolls-Royce announces further simplification
Replies: 0
Views: 432

Rolls-Royce announces further simplification

https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press-releases/yr-2018/17-01-2018-rr-announces-further-simplification-of-business.aspx From the Civil Aviation point of view, the following from Rolls-Royce might be of interest. "our operational teams must continue to focus on managing in-service issues within...

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by Egerton
Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84856

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

That might be your opinion of it, but to me EK snubbed RR recently when they intimated they might be prepared to go back to Engine Alliance for their next order. Rolls Royce had been working hard to re-secure Emirates as a client, and Tim Clark had stated that their future purchases would all be RR...

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by Egerton
Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84856

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

Is it the case that EK will be wise to wait until it has more data on the 777-9 and its GE9X engine? Only then can EK decide its needs between the actual A380ceo and the actual 777-9. The GE9X engine has not flown yet, neither has the 777-9. So it is conceivable that the 777-9 will not meet its cont...

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by Egerton
Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Upcoming operators of Airbus A350-1000XWB
Replies: 80
Views: 13835

Re: Upcoming operators of Airbus A350-1000XWB

IBERIA's current strategy has four pillars: 1. Focus on yields, not market share. Any additional seat that has to be sold at a discount is a no-no. 2. Focus on short term financial results. And by short they mean this quarter. They are losing market share? They are losing opportunities? Competition...

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by Egerton
Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft
Replies: 63
Views: 21382

Re: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft

So you think every operator across the world (NZ, NH, VS, Thai...) violated RR specs. Thanks for the question, dtw2hyd. This is what I wrote in by post #31: "Back to the money side, it is unclear whether RR's specification for fuel has been fully respected by all airlines, and so it may perhap...

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by Egerton
Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alitalia Files For Bankruptcy
Replies: 527
Views: 136086

Re: Alitalia Files For Bankruptcy

Given that Easyjet has made a bid and won slots etc from AirBerlin, and IAG the same for Niki (although in doubt now), one can see the sense re Alitalia. It all depends on how much trust one can assign to the Italian Government. But if you don't ask, you won't get. Maybe high risk, maybe high reward?

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by Egerton
Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft
Replies: 63
Views: 21382

Re: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft

Maximum sulfur content in jet fuel (Jet A and A1) is 0.3%. But usually it is somewhat lower, between 0.05 and 0.1% (or 500 - 1000 PPM - parts per million). As comparison, current road diesel is limited to 15 PPM sulfur in the USA, Canada and many other countries, and 10 PPM in the EU (= ULSD or ult...

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by Egerton
Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft
Replies: 63
Views: 21382

Re: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft

Back to the money side, it is unclear whether RR's specification for fuel has been fully respected by all airlines, and so it may perhaps be a shared cost. A I have written before, most sulfer can easily be extracted from crude oil, but this is not universally done. Then you can have inadvertent mi...

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft
Replies: 63
Views: 21382

Re: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft

On the money side, as has been suggested it will be a matter between Norwegian and RR. The list price of new engines is not relevant. On the unexpected New Zealand contained failure caused by just one turbine blade failing, this resulted in an AD that to avoid a double engine failure risk, airlines ...

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization by June
Replies: 78
Views: 5765

Re: Air India Privatization by June

I suggest that a purchaser will best be from India, and therefore they will already know the local situation. I also suggest that there will be no purchaser unless the Government of India sell all its shares and steps out of the way. Apart from that the GoI is to be praised for moving in the right d...

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread
Replies: 119
Views: 16684

Re: Airbus Beluga XL Production Thread

If the new fleet is set at 5 aeroplanes, then they might wish to consider how the new Europe/Canada/US operations will best work, with the expected enhanced A321 with bigger wings, longer fuselage etc?

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France - KLM no 737 MAX / A320 NEO orders
Replies: 101
Views: 15660

Re: Air France - KLM no 737 MAX / A320 NEO orders

seahawk wrote:
It is still a strange idea that one group could order 2 types of aircraft with a clear division on who operates which type.


Agreed. Very odd. And to think of baggage & cargo being hand loaded when the A32x can take it in containers seems pre-historic.

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft
Replies: 63
Views: 21382

Re: Norwegian switches engines on all Dreamliner aircraft

This will probable not be all new engines. Just revised engines with new fan blades. Still very expensive as it mains a nearly compleet new build up of the engine. While most in-service T1000 engines are getting refurbished, Norwegian is getting the newest T1000 TEN. This seems the first time that ...

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by Egerton
Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.
Replies: 168
Views: 25294

Re: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.

We should forget the idea of a NEO every 5 years or so. The A350 and the 787 will not see a Ultrafan engine. It is simply not worth the effort. Anything below 10-12% net effective improvement is not worth the effort to certify a new engine. Which means with the increased weight and higher drag of t...

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by Egerton
Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus offers China Industrial Partnership for A380 Programme
Replies: 123
Views: 16905

Re: Airbus offers China Industrial Partnership for A380 Programme

So the speculation is that this will become an A380 Completion and Delivery Centre, complementing the current A330 Completion and Delivery Centre at Tianjin. All current A350 Completion and Delivery is done in TLS, correct? And I believe I have read here that the A350 program is using some A380 FAL...

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by Egerton
Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus offers China Industrial Partnership for A380 Programme
Replies: 123
Views: 16905

Re: Airbus offers China Industrial Partnership for A380 Programme

So the speculation is that this will become an A380 Completion and Delivery Centre, complementing the current A330 Completion and Delivery Centre at Tianjin. All current A350 Completion and Delivery is done in TLS, correct? And I believe I have read here that the A350 program is using some A380 FAL...

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by Egerton
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does Boeing need to open plants outside USA?
Replies: 71
Views: 6002

Re: Does Boeing need to open plants outside USA?

As a financial guy I like the Airbus strategy of spreading their foreign exchange exposure around (i.e. balancing their customer currencies revenue with cost currencies) with their overseas FAL's. This is far more sophisticated and harder to do than Boeing's corporate culture can handle in my opini...

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by Egerton
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Loganair predicts profit loss this year.
Replies: 25
Views: 3028

Re: Loganair predicts profit loss this year.

I will regret the loss of the Saab 2000. They are ideal for their purpose within Loganair, roomy, comfortable, quiet and quick.

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by Egerton
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does Boeing need to open plants outside USA?
Replies: 71
Views: 6002

Re: Does Boeing need to open plants outside USA?

Is there confusion as to the difference between assembly and manufacture? The UK does not assemble Airbus products like in USA, China, France and Germany. But UK does design and manufacture a lot of high-end stuff for Airbus, little things like wings and engines.

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by Egerton
Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.
Replies: 168
Views: 25294

Re: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.

Upthread I suggested to JustSomeDood that "Airbus will need two more assembly plants, one for his Plan A (the enhanced A321s), and one for the C Series so they will then be up to Rate 100." The reason for the assembly plant in the USA for the C Series has been well discussed. The need for ...

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by Egerton
Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84856

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

If EK's problem with the A380 is high CASM borne about by unnecessary structural weight for too little (relative) seats, they would have simply refurbished the A380 for 11-abreast. It'd save them the trouble of whining to Airbus for improvements, I suspect EK wants more trip cost reductions than an...

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by Egerton
Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.
Replies: 168
Views: 25294

Re: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.

I agree Reidar76.The maths is solid -and Boeing can do the maths as well.Airbus could produce their version of a mom without the need of a new engine by letting a new wing do more of the work.As such they could produce it in half the time/cost if they wanted to. I believe it's half the reason Boein...

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.
Replies: 168
Views: 25294

Re: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.

The gap between the A320 series and the A330 series would seem to be the most obvious need imho. The A321 is still ~10m short of the 753 so it's clear that it hasn't reached the structural limits of narrowbody fuselage lengths yet. A simple stretch to ~48m for an A322, trading off range for seats, ...

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: London Heathrow Airport: 3rd Runway & New Terminal Proposals
Replies: 26
Views: 6079

Re: London Heathrow Airport: 3rd Runway & New Terminal Proposals

From my Fact Based Discussion on IAG for 2018 1. London Heathrow Airport put out a press release on 23 Dec 2017: http://mediacentre.heathrow.com/pressre ... ws-23/9064 Sorry, this does not work, but Google Heathrow Press Release. 2. How likely that IAG British Airways will withdraw their long standi...

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84856

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

In the UK, the EK A380 is sought after and gains a premium on pricing. At dinner parties, customers speak of their experience, and the story gets around by word of mouth. So I think the owners of EK should and will instruct their mouthpiece (the unfortunate Sir Tim Clark) to do a deal with Airbus. L...

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing may consider restarting 767 pax model production
Replies: 839
Views: 160503

Re: Boeing may consider restarting 767 pax model production

I do not instantly recall any past OEM situation where looking backward assisted any move forward - anyone?

Also the under-estimate of the costs of updating etc the 767 for the military role will not inspire Chicago accountants to permit such a thing on the commercial side.

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by Egerton
Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: VietJet converts 42 A320neo orders to A321neos
Replies: 44
Views: 5172

Re: VietJet converts 42 A320neo orders to A321neos

If airlines are thinking as I have been for a very long time, their view might be similar to my: "Given that the A321 in various existing or growth (P&W GTF) formats will have eaten the Boeing MoM vapourware for breakfast, there is no chance of a 797 in hardware form." But airlines ten...

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by Egerton
Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.
Replies: 168
Views: 25294

Re: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.

Slug71, not sure if this is what you describe, many vertical "oval" fuselages have been developed over the years as double or tripple bubbles. The floors absorb loads created by the non circular pressure vessel. https://i.stack.imgur.com/NyKDR.jpg E.g. a 3-3 + 3-3 could be relatively effi...

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by Egerton
Sun Dec 31, 2017 4:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.
Replies: 168
Views: 25294

Re: AIRBUS 2020-2030 development projects A360, A370 opportunities.

As ever, the engine side of things will tend to control the aeroplane side. On Rolls-Royce, it is clear that the Trent has been Pip'd enough. RR is not going to look backwards as a means of moving forward. They are resourcing the UltraFan as its primary concept, together with multiple other secondar...

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by Egerton
Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84856

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

The IATA says that buying and financing the airframe is 10% the cost of running and airline. I don't know where you got 30%, but I don't think that's right. Well, IATA deals with averages. This implies that the required return on shareholders funds from say IAG at 15% will result in a much higher t...

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by Egerton
Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84856

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

A380's two biggest customers, EK and SQ, have been big users of leasing for a long time. They find advantages in tax treatment and prefer a young fleet. The various players crowed that the aircraft would be paid for by the end of the leases so any 2nd leases would be profit. It's pretty clear they ...

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by Egerton
Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: IAG purchases NIKI
Replies: 144
Views: 26854

Re: Who will win in the battle to takeover NIKI?

As a pair of very long shots, could a remnant of Niki be the third base for LEVEL using the Niki air operators certificate, and or other Vueling base for IAG? Well, so far so good. Now I wait to see if LEVEL may be involved? But first IAG-Vueling needs to manage the transition. Presumably it will b...

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by Egerton
Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 84856

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

On the Rolls-Royce side of the A380, it is clear that the Trent has been Pip'd enough. RR is not going to look backwards as a means of moving forward. They are resourcing the UltraFan as its primary concept, together with multiple other secondary tech progress including the Advance core. The next l...

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