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by afcjets
Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA & DL failed to capitalize fully TW & PA
Replies: 84
Views: 8108

Re: AA & DL failed to capitalize fully TW & PA

In terms of Pan Am I would think more of Pan Am was acquired by UA than DL. UA got Pan Am's Pacific ops, Heathrow routes and Latin America routes. Not all at once though. United acquired Pan Am's Pacific routes in the Spring of 1985. In late 1990, Pan Am attempted to raise cash by selling their LHR...

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by afcjets
Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATL Flight Diversions
Replies: 45
Views: 5659

Re: ATL Flight Diversions

I wouldn't, he is a gate agent for DL and has likely done something like that. It would make more sense to fly AA RDU-CLT though if seats are open.

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?
Replies: 63
Views: 5490

Re: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?

AAvgeek744 wrote:
But they had three full fledged hubs in the 70s.


Not just the 70s but through most of the 1980s (the first seven years almost).

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?
Replies: 63
Views: 5490

Re: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?

For those stating DEN couldn't support a 3 hub operation, didn't Frontier (original), Continental, and United hub at Stapleton? I seem to recall Western had a sizeable operation also. Not sure DEN had 3 hub operations back then. Original Frontier merged with PeopleExpress, which then merged into Co...

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?
Replies: 63
Views: 5490

Re: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?

I am surprised that SWA uses it as a connection hub. One would think SWA would treat MDW like they treat ATL. Concentrate on O/D and send connecting traffic to other stations. MDW has more than twice the number of flights than ATL and almost twice as many destinations and is WN's largest hub and st...

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?
Replies: 63
Views: 5490

Re: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?

They were satisfied with the basic 737 models of the 732/733/73G because of cost and crew commonality--but now they operate the 738. The 738 has higher CASM? I did not realize WN had 738 exclusive pilots, there still has to be some commonality for training though. I think the only scenario where yo...

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?
Replies: 63
Views: 5490

Re: Was Southwest's Move Into Denver Predatory?

neomax wrote:
WN had hubs in MDW and DAL, DEN was the logical next step.


DEN was a network hub for WN way before DAL. I am assuming you meant HOU.

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATL Flight Diversions
Replies: 45
Views: 5659

Re: ATL Flight Diversions

Or more likely the long delay would have caused her to mis-connect and there were no seats available ATL-PHX until much later. True, but why not get her to ATL on her original flight anyway? She could go standby on the next ATL-PHX flights and if there were a lot of delayed flights someone else's m...

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATL Flight Diversions
Replies: 45
Views: 5659

Re: ATL Flight Diversions

But the story is pretty bizarre, regardless. DL's 7:30 RDU-ATL flight operated 3 1/2 hours late so there isn't any apparent reason for a passenger to be told to come back 13 hours later. Unless she was bumped to open a seat for a bigger spending platinum who missed the earlier flight. Or more likel...

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATL Flight Diversions
Replies: 45
Views: 5659

Re: ATL Flight Diversions

I'm saying the sense of entitlement should be in for a reality check. Why would you say that? Clearly another DL agent and DL's policy allowed for her to rebooked on AA. But I am sure you as an a.netter and/or nonrev would not look for an alternate flight if you did not get on the flight you planne...

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATL Flight Diversions
Replies: 45
Views: 5659

Re: ATL Flight Diversions

Oh honey, $10,000 per year is the reason why she was told to wait 13 hours. She's likely on the lower end of Platinums. Some passengers spend at least that much on a single round trip. Are you saying Delta ranks their second highest status level based on how much money they spend per year? He's say...

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ATL Flight Diversions
Replies: 45
Views: 5659

Re: ATL Flight Diversions

Given the situation, and the fact that ATL was not her final destination, she should have been rerouted through another hub, not told to go home and come back 13 hours later. She ended up being rebooked by Delta on American to PHX, which was a suitable option in case a reroute wasn't available. But...

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by afcjets
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 738 Routes from CLT
Replies: 28
Views: 2826

Re: AA 738 Routes from CLT

He did say 737.

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by afcjets
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does UA fly the 757 to LHR?
Replies: 64
Views: 11054

Re: Why does UA fly the 757 to LHR?

No it's not a "very small city". Newark is the 70th largest city in the US with 280,000 people, smaller than even LEX, BFL, and SCK. I’m sure you already know EWR is not there specifically to serve residents of Newark but rather the metro New York region of 23 million+ people. Of course I...

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by afcjets
Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 738 Routes from CLT
Replies: 28
Views: 2826

Re: AA 738 Routes from CLT

BUF is also going to see the 738. First time an AA 738 will be scheduled. Incorrect. AA flew the 737 to BUF as early as February of 2000. In fact, BUF was among the first markets to see the AA 737. The 738 but not the 737. AA first flew the 737 when they purchased AirCal in 1987 and most of them we...

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by afcjets
Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does UA fly the 757 to LHR?
Replies: 64
Views: 11054

Re: Why does UA fly the 757 to LHR?

FA9295 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Because Newark, NJ is a very small city :banghead:

No it's not a "very small city".


Newark is the 70th largest city in the US with 280,000 people, smaller than even LEX, BFL, and SCK.

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by afcjets
Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 169
Views: 14502

Re: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018

A 'scissors' hub works like this hypothetical example: WN has four flights arriving into PIT in a 'banked' hub between 09:00 and 09:30 from FLL, MCO, TPA and RSW. Presuming the standard 30-45 minute turnaround, the FLL flight continues on to MHT, the MCO flight continues to BDL, the TPA flight cont...

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by afcjets
Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 169
Views: 14502

Re: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018

I have never heard that term before. How is what you described different than most hubs? What is a non-scissors hub then? If there is such a term, I would think it would apply more to a hub with a ton of circuitous routings, such as JetBlue at BOS. A 'scissors' hub works like this hypothetical exam...

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by afcjets
Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's next for COS?
Replies: 29
Views: 2429

Re: What's next for COS?

Who has ever had COS a focus city? Western Pacific had a connecting hub there, but I don't ever recall COS being a focus city. I am going to guess the poster meant Western Pacific. 30-50 flights a day at peak does not make a city a hub. A connecting focus city yes, but hub was stretching it then as...

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by afcjets
Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's next for COS?
Replies: 29
Views: 2429

Re: What's next for COS?

Who has ever had COS a focus city? Western Pacific had a connecting hub there, but I don't ever recall COS being a focus city. F9 started to build up COS similiar to what they are doing now but then completely pulled out the following year. I think they were planning on it being a focus city but ne...

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by afcjets
Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does UA fly the 757 to LHR?
Replies: 64
Views: 11054

Re: Why does UA fly the 757 to LHR?

Because Newark, NJ is a very small city :banghead:

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by afcjets
Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 169
Views: 14502

Re: Southwest Airlines Network Thread 2018

I didn't even realize they didn't run LAX-NYC. Surprises me. WN has only been flying to EWR for seven years. JFK/LGA not options for reasons already mentioned. wouldn't EWR SNA/BUR be preferable? No competition and they have strong presence at those stations CO/UA has been flying EWR-SNA nonstop fo...

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by afcjets
Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's next for COS?
Replies: 29
Views: 2429

Re: What's next for COS?

Who has ever had COS a focus city?

Western Pacific had a connecting hub there, but I don't ever recall COS being a focus city.

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by afcjets
Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hypothetical: United builds a hub at BNA
Replies: 65
Views: 6743

Re: Hypothetical: United builds a hub at BNA

Everyone here is babbling nonsense. All one needs to do is read management commentary LAXIntl posted in Reply #6 to see its not going to happen. At time when UA is already complaining about being undersized, it will not rob its existing hubs even further to go on an adventure in the south. Look at ...

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by afcjets
Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hypothetical: United builds a hub at BNA
Replies: 65
Views: 6743

Re: Hypothetical: United builds a hub at BNA

UA already has two hubs in the Central Time Zone. No other airline besides WN has more than two hubs there. AA did for a while after they purchased TW and back when BNA was a hub for them too.

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by afcjets
Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hypothetical: United builds a hub at BNA
Replies: 65
Views: 6743

Re: Hypothetical: United builds a hub at BNA

incitatus wrote:
A hub in Orlando? Sounds like a great idea to get a lot of traffic without making any money.


UA tried to make MCO a hub in the early 1990s at the same time it was a hub for DL.

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by afcjets
Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte
Replies: 104
Views: 12320

Re: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte

CitizenJustin wrote:

CLT isn’t the third largest hub in the world. Maybe the third largest in the American Airlines system, but not even close to being in the top 10 worldwide.


So besides DL at ATL, and AA at DFW, what airline has more departures from an airport than AA at CLT?

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by afcjets
Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte
Replies: 104
Views: 12320

Re: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte

DFW nonstops to places like Hong Kong, Peking, Tokyo, Santiago, Lina, Buenos Aires....not going to happen from CLT. DFW is in a great location to connect high yielding business travel between Asia and South America which AA is targeting. CLT will likely have a flight to Asia within the next ten yea...

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by afcjets
Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte
Replies: 104
Views: 12320

Re: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte

DEN is greater than CLT by 14 million, are you claiming CLT is larger because AA handles more than UA at DEN? From the article: "Vasu Raja, American's vice president for network and schedule planning, said in an e-mail. “But over time, as we get more capacity at the airport, we will grow the h...

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by afcjets
Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hypothetical: United builds a hub at BNA
Replies: 65
Views: 6743

Re: Hypothetical: United builds a hub at BNA

BNA is not a focus city for WN, it is one of their larger hubs.

IAD is technically in the SE but I guess so is CVG.

I always thought RDU would be a great hub for UA, but it would have made more sense before DL announced plans to expand there.

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by afcjets
Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte
Replies: 104
Views: 12320

Re: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte

One of the most commonly suggested ideas on a.net for relieving some of the congestion at CLT is to convert runway 5/23 into a taxiway, which theoretically would help congestion to and from Concourse E in particular. To the best of a.net knowledge, has that idea ever been seriously considered by th...

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by afcjets
Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte
Replies: 104
Views: 12320

Re: American Airlines Wants to Grow in Charlotte

CLT as a hub has been built up over close to 40 years since PI chose to make it their primary hub operation. Eastern had a hub in CLT dating back to the 1960s if not 1950s through 1986. When the current terminal opened on 5/2/82, EA had all 10 gates on concourse B and PI had 10 gates on concourse C...

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by afcjets
Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines transcon premium product
Replies: 61
Views: 10607

Re: Alaska Airlines transcon premium product

"had" :( JetBlue has a seat wider by 1 inch only in the suite rows and if you measure from the bottom, but a few inches up the Virgin America seat is much wider. For the non-suite rows, VX is 1/2 inch wider even at the bottom. How did that work out for them? It didn't. VX did not have a c...

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by afcjets
Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:37 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother
Replies: 74
Views: 5133

Re: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother

atrude777 wrote:

After speaking to her, she stated the passenger was very nice, not problematic



Since there is no YouTube video I knew that was probably why.

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by afcjets
Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:33 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother
Replies: 74
Views: 5133

Re: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother

United's hands were not tied, the door could have easily been reopened. How do you know that? How do you know that the jetway wasn't already moved away from the plane? How do you know that the plane wasn't already being pushed back yet? . My bad, I thought you knew what you were talking about. I re...

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by afcjets
Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:03 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother
Replies: 74
Views: 5133

Re: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother

The travel agency cancelled the ticket because Ms. Prelas made changes to the ticket without notifying the travel agency that she originally booked the ticket through. I realize that Ms. Prela's tried to buy another ticket for Ms. Amrich but as the article states by the time that was happening the ...

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by afcjets
Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Austin Texas Thread - 2018
Replies: 260
Views: 18873

Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

BreezyIAH wrote:
if DL had a "focus city" at AUS, couldn't SkyWest or someone else start AUS to ELP, AMA, LBB, MAF, LRD, MFE, CRP, HOU, and DAL?...


Then it would no longer be a focus city, it would be a hub (assuming those flights are timed for connections).

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by afcjets
Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines transcon premium product
Replies: 61
Views: 10607

Re: Alaska Airlines transcon premium product

At least Virgin America has the widest First Class seat of any airline in the US. You realize A320 series & 737 series domestic first seats are both standard 57" double seats. Airbus models have a wider isle in first, not a wider seat. Mind you virgins seats are leather. I am aware A320 se...

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by afcjets
Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:05 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?
Replies: 173
Views: 19544

Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

AUS-SAT. Two large Texas cities that are just a little too far apart to be considered one giant metropolitan area yet too close to have commercial air service between the two. The drive between Austin and San Antonio is approximately one hour. Flying time between the two would be under twenty minut...

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines transcon premium product
Replies: 61
Views: 10607

Re: Alaska Airlines transcon premium product

At least Virgin America has the widest First Class seat of any airline in the US. "had" :( JetBlue has a seat wider by 1 inch only in the suite rows and if you measure from the bottom, but a few inches up the Virgin America seat is much wider. For the non-suite rows, VX is 1/2 inch wider ...

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:23 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother
Replies: 74
Views: 5133

Re: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother

So a ticket was cancelled after the boarding pass was issued - and accepted for boarding? OK, if that works - remind me to cancel my next booking once the plane is airborne. It doesn't. The charge would still appear on your credit card and if you tried to dispute it through your credit card company...

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:14 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother
Replies: 74
Views: 5133

Re: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother

No airline is going to allow someone to fly without a valid ticket. Full stop. The airline is not going to attempt to collect payment after the fact. Not only would they attempt to collect they would almost undoubtedly succeed and make even more money of their "administrative fees"... htt...

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines transcon premium product
Replies: 61
Views: 10607

Re: Alaska Airlines transcon premium product

At least Virgin America has the widest First Class seat of any airline in the US.

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:58 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother
Replies: 74
Views: 5133

Re: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother

No airline is going to allow someone to fly without a valid ticket. Full stop. The airline is not going to attempt to collect payment after the fact. Not only would they attempt to collect they would almost undoubtedly succeed and make even more money of their "administrative fees"... htt...

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:52 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Travel Agency cancels ticket of woman flying to visit ill mother
Replies: 74
Views: 5133

Re: UA kicks off Passenger Trying to See Dying Mother Thanks to 3rd Party Agency

This has NOTHING to do with United and everything to do with the travel agency "Traveler Help Desk". They are the ones who cancelled the ticket...not United. Just media looking for low hanging fruit. They cancelled her ticket after her boarding pass had been scanned, or the boarding pass ...

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:17 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?
Replies: 173
Views: 19544

Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

bigb wrote:
IAH-DFW


The most successful airline in the history of aviation launched their airline flying frequent flights between Dallas and Houston. 47 years later they are still flying them with 19 daily flights in each direction.

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:04 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?
Replies: 173
Views: 19544

Re: What distance is too short for a plane but too far by car?

AUS-SAT. Two large Texas cities that are just a little too far apart to be considered one giant metropolitan area yet too close to have commercial air service between the two. The drive between Austin and San Antonio is approximately one hour. Flying time between the two would be under twenty minut...

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Austin Texas Thread - 2018
Replies: 260
Views: 18873

Re: Austin Texas Thread - 2018

DL is the only major US airline without a TX hub and ironically the only major US airline with only one hub in the South.

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by afcjets
Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Origin of Airline Names
Replies: 161
Views: 11485

Re: Origin of Airline Names

mandargb wrote:

Interestingly their stock symbol is also "LUV" to match close with "LOVE" field?


Yup, they admit that.

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