Is part of the DL 359 long performance shortfall caused by too many seats? What "the performance shortfall"? This site has imaged something that truly does not exist in the real world, then forced itself by repetition to believe that it does. It looks like the the 359 can haul it's max pa...
Jump to postI really don’t think an ultra long haul route that also departs from a hot and high field is such a gotcha. Any aircraft that could do it 100% of the time would make bean counters have a fit over operating costs. By and large it’s more cost effective to get a jet that does 99% of what you need, and...
Jump to postI'm guessing the JV hasn't been approved then. Westjet isn't even mentioned in the Delta 10-k. It was approved by the US in 2020, but with significant divestitures at LGA, which DL found unacceptable. They scrapped the original proposal, then resubmitted about a year later, which IINM remains outst...
Jump to post280T now 281T DL has had 280tonne birds for years now. All of the fleet since N512DN have had that w/v option. You're probably thinking of the new 283tonne w/v, which also now offers all A359s the same fuel capacity/tradeoff option of the -ULR. Airbus has been constantly tinkering with the A359 to ...
Jump to postI see, broadly speaking, two orders. -Sooner is the 763 replacement, probably starting 2025 on onwards for maybe 40 tails? Either 339 or 789 -Later, the 332/333/764 replacement, starting in the 2030s. 787max? No votes for the 338? Not from me. Nobody has argued - with data - that the lower trip cos...
Jump to postand by some strange twist of fate Delta were to order some 787s I'm sure Boeing would find a way to meet Delta's delivery target. That, or they could (not saying they will) just do what they've done for their last few major orders, and wait until the line is nearly done.... then basically corner th...
Jump to postNow British Airways is ending SJC in October this year. Source? AA.com Ba.com Google.com/flights Etc etc etc None of which are authoritative sources, as the schedules for this fall are not yet complete. We saw the same thing with LHR-MSY and LHR-BNA last year, only for them to be rescheduled with i...
Jump to postDL also threw in the towel with SEA to HKG. But the relevance to that is what ? They didn't cut & run, nor did they blink in the face of competition (CX did not announce HKG-SEA until 3months after DL had already announced the end of its flights). They flew the route for nearly a half-decade, w...
Jump to post3D101CA wrote:Now British Airways is ending SJC in October this year.
Your response tells me that you truly don't understand how airline economics actually works. :roll: Of course I understand that most city pairs will be pushed through a hub - but "how airline economics work" is that they will run the numbers and maximize profit - nonstops almost always wi...
Jump to postMeta which is in death spiral. Sidebar: but how do you arrive at that conclusion? They've added patronage for the first time in 6mos, their stock is up 236% since their "Russian Misinformation!" era low, and last August both Moody's and S&P increased Meta's credit rating to A1 and AA-...
Jump to postOne of the theories on the A35K is that DL was seriously interested in picking up the 19 on order for QR at a bargain price. Now that QR intends to take these the balance of the order, that backup plan is off the table. Hence eluding to the comments about getting them at the right price point as me...
Jump to postAll the A380s layouts I've seen have F and Y on the first deck, J and Y (sometimes Y+) upstairs. My question is why? Having flown on the AF A380, while the J was comfortable (and standard), I would have thought the distance from the engine would make the cabin quieter and so better. What am I missi...
Jump to postI found the seat cramped and uncomfortable in bed mode (and I'm only 5'6''). I'm 6'0, 212lbs, I've been on them 4 times in the last 6 months.... and find them perfectly fine. Thus, see the issue here? One person's subjective take, in either direction, means all of nothing. So - why is DL still usin...
Jump to postand by some strange twist of fate Delta were to order some 787s I'm sure Boeing would find a way to meet Delta's delivery target. That, or they could (not saying they will) just do what they've done for their last few major orders, and wait until the line is nearly done.... then basically corner th...
Jump to postIs there even any precedent for this? I mean, there's far more people living around JFK and LGA and I don't remember any suits like this. Depends on how they file it. There have been many attempts at this sorta thing, depicting the airport [ or insert other municipal villain here ] as a "publi...
Jump to postWhy does a competitor (B6,AA) increasing capacity warrant a widebody flight from DL? That doesn't make sense. If an extremely mature market didn't neccesitate a wb a/c from DL previously an increase in capacity from your competitors doesn't change that. Can't speak for another poster, but I'm guess...
Jump to postI only asked because I didn't think there were actually 66 international destinations that were within North America. Using the Wiki listed destinations (I know, I know, but I'm too lazy to look elsewhere), and counting the Bahamas and all Caribbean territories other than San Andres as N.America: A...
Jump to postI only asked because I didn't think there were actually 66 international destinations that were within North America. Using the Wiki listed destinations (I know, I know, but I'm too lazy to look elsewhere), and counting the Bahamas and all Caribbean territories other than San Andres as N.America: A...
Jump to postPresntly there are 581 B787 and 441 A350 back log orders so it does not matter which aircraft Delta might order it will be awhile before they would receive any! Airbus does have the advantage of being able to convert some of DL's near-term orders for the -900, if given sufficient notice/funding, th...
Jump to postPresntly there are 581 B787 and 441 A350 back log orders so it does not matter which aircraft Delta might order it will be awhile before they would receive any! Airbus does have the advantage of being able to convert some of DL's near-term orders for the -900, if given sufficient notice/funding, th...
Jump to postThe only way I can see DL ever ordering any 787 is if it's first to market with the ultrafan. Or, like in at least two modern examples: They order a bunch of current engined aircraft, near the end of production, at rock-bottom pricing + overall acquisition costs. Guys, you know that they aren't goi...
Jump to postWe also try so hard to get rid of the open seating and tray nonsense First, thank you. As a multimillion mile flyer with DL (plus well over another combined million if you add AA/UA/B6 together), I have and always will refuse to set foot on WN due to the inability to assign seats. Which sucks, as t...
Jump to postNice and Timely 13 year decision....... True, though this is the one that mattered least to the public as a whole though. French civil litigation had already ordered AF to pay the families $117K concluded 12yrs ago, and Brazilian lit ordered $727K for the families that went that route, shortly after.
Jump to post1.) This is the last time I'm going to say this Meh, it's not like repetition made it any more applicable than the first time you said it. And the response remains the same: the entirety of an airline's hub @ORD isn't going to be focused on LAX; the only thing that's relevant is what they put on th...
Jump to postBy your own admission, it was. They ignored basic stall recovery technique, which in itself is criminal. Your argument about disorientation is moot. I'm not arguing anything, so no idea what you're talking about there-- or in general, if you find anything about what they encountered as "basic....
Jump to postHard to say though since I wouldn't have expected somewhere like AUS to be a high priority. Yeah, ya might be surprised. If you go back to that leaked doc from BA that's made its rounds here over the last few years, it clearly shows that four of the airline's tertiary routes (SAN, AUS, MSY, BNA) we...
Jump to postYeah so it seems re the wealthy markets. I'm just surprised that they wouldn't risk losing wealthy clients by not serving those places. And yeah I agree that VS will surely try ORD again at some point. It seems too important for the London market to not serve at all, but their network does seem rea...
Jump to postand then give LAX-MDW a try Before the T5 move went public, I always thought that DL might try to sneak into MDW in a bid to serve the city from the southwest, as opposed to ORD. And who knows, perhaps someday they will. But doubtful. Looks like it'll be to ORD T5, if at all. DL has been at MDW sin...
Jump to postMIflyer12 wrote:AA as the 3rd hub carrier?
SurfandSnow wrote:and then give LAX-MDW a try
I'm saying even with a huge amount of service from UA and WN in DEN, it's STILL not as much as the service to Chicago. 2.) LAX-Dallas and LAX-Houston don't have the competition that LAX-Chicago does. Not then, not today. You're ignoring this. Once again dude, RELATIVITY: five carriers operating LAX...
Jump to post2.) LAX-Dallas and LAX-Houston don't have the competition that LAX-Chicago does. Not then, not today. You're ignoring this. Once again , RELATIVITY: five carriers operating LAX-Dallas/Denver, with all the same obstacles: widebodies, hourly service by multiple carriers, hub-hub by multiple carriers,...
Jump to post"Competition" can't be the answer. DL has absolutely no fear of that at LAX:" A false premise. Your conception of cause and effect is wrong. Each market should be considered individually because they are each subject to unique forces. Furthermore, generalizing DL's strategy at LAX by...
Jump to post2. Look at the strength of AA & UA going to ORD. It's not the same as a couple Frontier flights a day going to DEN when DL started that route. But near shuttle service by both UA and WN, which you're oddly ignoring. In all the other bloodbaths Delta is in, they are either stronger on one end of...
Jump to postMohawkWeekend wrote:What exactly is this scale model supposed to test
If you're bringing in the other gateways, now DL is competing with 3 huge hubs in Chicago without a hub of their own, and that truly is something they don't already do. Incorrect on multiple fronts: 1) LAX is every bit a DL hub 2) DL entered LAX-DEN with four competitors on the route at the time, 3...
Jump to postMIflyer12 wrote:'Fear of competition' oversimplifies it, IMHO, but going against competitors on hub-to-hubbish routes (especially when there are 3: AA and UA to ORD, and WN to MDW) isn't usually painless.
Although the pitot tube design was not perfect (and Airbus was already intending to replace it) you cannot blame Air France nor Airbus for the first officer ignoring 86 “STALL! STALL!” warnings. It's more complicated than that though. When the pitots unfroze, the flight was traveling at a lower air...
Jump to postPosted this, in reference to DL flying LAX-ORD. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=23763799 It got moved to another forum for some reason, but figured it'd be good to place/ask here. As stated therein, I firmly do not believe "fear of competition" to be the answer, with reason...
Jump to postI'm not sure you understood my question. My point is of all of those 13 examples, only one of them has 2 other competitors with massive hubs on both ends (DEN). At a single gateway, yes... but that ignores the likes of DFW/DAL, where DL flies to both airports, and both are home to large competitor ...
Jump to postThe five were 747-132's ordered in the late 60's and deliveries started in October 1970. In typical Delta fashion they were phased out too soon as they would have been ideal to fly the new late 1970's routes to London, Paris, and Frankfurt. Those Delta 747s flew to Heathrow all throughout the early...
Jump to postAre there other examples where DL would be competing on a competitive hub-to-hub route with 2 other airlines WITHOUT DL hubs on each end? No offense, but this clearly shows that you didn't bother reading the original post............ 13 specific examples were expressly given. The point is there are...
Jump to postLAX-ATL is just one example. There are other areas where UA could retaliate again them if they add it. Such as *where?* No need to speak in cryptic generalizations... list out these devastating things that UA can somehow suddenly do on behalf of ORD, that they (for whatever reason) chose not to emp...
Jump to postCould DL be afraid of how AA or UA might retaliate by them adding LAX-ORD? For example, could DL launching this route motivate UA to join the LAX-ATL route? There's already 5 total airlines on the hub-hub route that DL utterly dominates, what's one more? What about EWR, DL used to serve LAX-EWR in ...
Jump to postWith a United network thread available, why are all sorts of UA (and other airlines' news) no longer having anything to do with the original topic posted on here? It makes a mess of the board. I will never in a million years understand why people cry for mega-threads where they're guaranteed to mis...
Jump to postN1120A wrote:I still don't get how AA or UA hasn't tried something serious to Poland from ORD
4 DL flying ORD-LAX - I think if Delta opened an A220 base at LAX then this might happen. Delta still seems to be figuring out what markets constitute the highest & best use of their A220s. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm only assuming to know the actual bases for the A220s. Do you (or...
Jump to postWhat’s the rationale for the 789? I’m not disagreeing with you, trying to understand the problem it will solve / role it will play. 27tonnes lighter than a high-powered A359, and requiring less pax, but offering similar range capability.... could be what finally allows them to explore markets like ...
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