The AA and AS MIA flight compliment each other. AS is only flying it as a redeye temporarily. Two comments. You are correct about the e/b flights but I still don't think there is traffic in the market to fill two large Boeings every day (plus another providing the FLL service.) Also, from mid-Janua...
Jump to postAnd then plummeted post-Covid. I doubt that 2023 PDEW will surpass 2019 data given how depressed demand still is to China and Japan. Jeremy Hence the reason I said that Asia was still recovering... You also said DL will have more demand to work with than it did when SLC-NRT operated, which is specu...
Jump to postIn 2011 SLC-all of Asia was 184 PDEW. For context, DEN-all of asia was 316 PDEW and PHX-all of asia was 256 PDEW. Specifically SLC-Seoul was around 20 PDEW (https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/global-gateways-international-aviation-in-metropolitan-america/ and select Salt Lake City). I know that...
Jump to postI think this is right. An SLC flight, should it happen (no idea on that), would address all of the 2 or 3 stop connections (xxx-SLC-SEA/LAX-ICN-yyy that exist now, and make them one (or two) stops. But how many of those connections are there and what type of yield do they have? I’m not saying it wo...
Jump to postI'm going to disagree with the walk. The walk from A1 to A47 will be a few hundred feet further than DEN B gates, and about 80% of the distance of DTW A concourse. At least DTW has a train, and DEN has wider and longer tandem moving walkways (plus a train between TSA/A gate connects). I think not h...
Jump to postConstruction has begun on the east expansion of concourse B. It will add an additional 16 gates to the concourse. The original plan was supposed to be nine new gates, but due to growing passenger numbers and growing interest of other airlines wanting to expand at SLC (other than Delta) they are mov...
Jump to postAs much as I would love to see more and more new TATL service from SLC, I honestly think the cities we have now are all that can be feasibly supported, maybe along with KEF with Icelandair's 737 or 757. Asia we'll probably only see ICN within the next few years, unless DL decides to shutter SEA as ...
Jump to postThe DL branded OO / Skywest flying at SLC seems to be "safe" for now. They didn't request to end it / re-bid it like OO / Skywest did with all the UAX EAS flying. Is there any OO / Skywest non-EAS "at-risk" flying left out of SLC on the CR2 or is what is left all EAS flying? OO ...
Jump to postI didn't mention anything about connections; I mentioned that (in 2019), over 40% of SLC's total local enplanements were headed to/from Southern California and Las Vegas. This is incorrect. Not sure what your source is, but according to year-end 2019 DOT data, SLC's local traffic to the entire stat...
Jump to post"All these people" flying from all over into SLC, yet SLC competes with CLT for generating the least local traffic of any trunk hub... and pre-COVID, over 40% of local enplanements were to/from SoCal & LAS. RIC, SBN, BHM, CHS, SYR, etc. will happen when DL launches the 380NEO and turn...
Jump to postDelta is in my opinion— by far— it’s not even close— the best run US airline. Yet somehow all the armchair quarterbacks on here know something they don’t? I don’t think anyone in Atlanta HQ is expending too much computer power on anything but their hubs these days. CLE and PIT and CMH also cut from...
Jump to postAnd once Phase 3 of the project is complete in 2025, there indeed will be more contact gates (key word contact) than there was in the formal facility. This does not include additional expansion of Concourse B, which I wouldn't be surprised to be added to the project soon. And none of it would be ha...
Jump to postIt doesn't matter if he's comparing them to IND, the data is pretty clear: they're weak performing routes. PIT-SLC could have a 100% LF, but if the lion's share of passengers are connecting to places that are served from ATL, DTW & MSP (and that's largely the case), the flight's going to be a l...
Jump to postA year ago people were talking about how strong SLC was rebounding from Covid cuts, outperforming the rebounds in other DL hubs. Not so much. Except DL hasn't been operating SLC-CLE/CMH/IND/PIT/MSN the entire pandemic (except for IND and CLE resuming for the holidays) and SLC has had the most recov...
Jump to postMore Delta cuts. Origin Destination Operated by Salt Lake City (SLC) Cleveland (CLE) Delta Airbus A319/A320 mix Salt Lake City (SLC) Columbus (CMH) Delta Airbus A319/A320 mix Salt Lake City (SLC) Des Moines (DSM) SkyWest E175 Salt Lake City (SLC) Madison, Wisconsin (MSN) SkyWest E175 Salt Lake City...
Jump to postDL just added SLC-LHR back to the schedule, resuming October 29, 2022, 3X weekly, A330-200.
Jump to postA couple of comments re: AS changes at SAN: > BWI-SAN has apparently been confirmed as a truly seasonal route. This year, the route went dormant in the fall, Sept 28, 2019, returning next year, May 21; it appears the same thing is happening next year again with the route suspended Aug 17, 2020. I'm...
Jump to postNew A220 routes were loaded into the system yesterday: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285150/delta-files-expanded-airbus-a220-network-from-mid-august-2019/ DTW-AUS eff 21DEC19 (listed until 05JAN20) JFK-RSW eff 21DEC19 (listed until 04JAN20) JFK-TPA eff 21DEC19 (listed until 04JA...
Jump to postryanrap1 wrote:Anyway to know of any changes at SAT with the recent schedule extension ?
I'm at SLC this morning, and happy to see steel framing is finally starting to rise on the north concourse! As an aside, it's also nice to see the 333 back on the HNL-SLC-ATL run. It is impressive to look out the windows and see a lovely 752 parked at D1, only to be dwarfed by the 333 parked nextdo...
Jump to postI'm curious to see what happens here with Moxie. It's not really an LCC, but the carrier that I most want to see at SLC is Hawaiian. Do the 321s have range for SLC-LIH? It is interesting to note that PVU is the largest market for G4 from AZA. There is a ton of VFR traffic on that route. It seems li...
Jump to postAt the bottom, it's not much a surprise that SLC flights are the worst performing ones. Especially how bad BOS-SLC was this quarter (normally it's not this terrible). As many know, DL fights B6 hard at their hubs. When B6 added SLC-MCO, DL increased their frequency from 2X to 3X daily virtually the...
Jump to postGood Authority from a mid-level B6 Exec that the final list is: BTV ROC SYR DAB SRQ PWM IAD OAK ABQ These would fall in line with the information disclosed at B6's recent Investor Day presentation which called for a "network reallocation" reducing Intra-West, short haul, irrelevant and lo...
Jump to postryanrap1 wrote:I looked on AA but don't see the JFK - SAT added yet.
Does anyone know the times or equipment that will be used?
Great news on the DFW expansion. Of these, I think JFK-SAT is one of the most curious additions. DL flies JFK-SAT once daily right now. Little competition won't hurt anyone, and it may actually bode well for AA given their large FF base in Texas and NY. Agreed. NYC is definitely an underserved mark...
Jump to posthttp://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2018/American-Airlines-Enhances-2019-Schedule/default.aspx International Routes: MIA–SCU Airbus A319 Daily Starts May 3 DFW–DGO Embraer E140 Daily Starts June 6 LGA–AUA Boeing 737-800 Saturday Starts June 8 CLT– SDQ Airbus A320 Saturday Starts June 8 DFW–SDQ Boei...
Jump to postWe will see SAT get TATL service, which is long overdue. Based on what? It's not a particularly large market to any European destination (wasn't in the top 8 unserved markets in the Brookings 2011 study nor the Sabre 2013 numbers), and it's surrounded by relatively new service.... so barring a part...
Jump to postmodernArt wrote:ryanrap1 wrote:Anything for SAT?
Looks like a few Saturday-only nonstops SAT-LGA resume in November and December.
*4O IAH-BJX JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 4O JFK-CUN JUL 1.0>1.2 AUG 1.0>1.1 How long did that last? **4O SAT-BJX JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 Both of these launches will be post-poned because of ai...
Jump to postI give the service one year. SAT seems to have little international demand outside of Mexico. It's really too bad as it is a rather large city and one would think it could sustain more service but that has been disproved time and time again. San Antonians seem more than happy to connect through DFW...
Jump to postCannot find a press release yet, but the announcement is on SAT's social media and it's bookable online. 4O to begin new daily SAT-BJX service June 22 on the Superjet 100. This is the fourth destination for 4O in SAT and fifth destination to Mexico from the airport. SAT has had quite the increase in...
Jump to postI also just remembered the F9 announced PHL-MSN/OMA last Tuesday and already operates SAT-PHL seasonally. AA continues to defend their hubs from the ULCCs.
https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphi ... ights.html
http://news.aa.com/press-releases/press-release-details/2017/New-Service-Between-PHL-and-the-Midwest/default.aspx SAT begins Feb 15 DSM, MSN and OMA begin May 4 Nice to see SAT-PHL return as well as the other new additions. SAT PHL–SAT Departs PHL at 6:35 p.m. Arrives SAT at 9:31 p.m. SAT–PHL Depart...
Jump to postInterjet is the only carrier to operate the SSJ (or any Russian aircraft) to the U.S. and only to two cities:
MTY-SAT (less than daily)
MTY-IAH (less than daily)
Very rare aircraft type to be seen in the U.S. indeed.
Everyone can take SAT off of any list for overseas. The runway at 8500' probably is not very desirable. Then there is the terminal(s), that cannot take anything larger than a 757. Actually, the terminal can handle widebody aircraft. Gate B7 can accommodate a 764 and the international gates can as w...
Jump to postF9 wasn't done with SAT when they announced six new markets a few weeks ago. SAT-ONT/IAD begin this Oct which brings destinations served from SAT to 13 by next spring. F9 will offer a connecting option in SAT for IAD and ONT. SAT-IAD Oct 6, 4X Weekly, 320 SAT-ONT Oct 13, 4X Weekly, 320 Great to see ...
Jump to postI couldn't find a link to a press release, but the flight is now bookable. This makes 3 carriers on this route (AM, 4O, Y4). Details: Flight Orig Dest Depart Arrival Freq AC Begins 0964 MEX SAT 12:00 14:04 Daily A320 15-Sep-17 0965 SAT MEX 15:20 17:17 Daily A320 15-Sep-17
Jump to postFirst post (I think) ... long time (like ten+ years) lurker. Few notes: 1) Delta re-starts SLC to OGG non-stop on December 21 (76W .. lie-flat) departing 3:15 pm. Looks like it is daily thru the holiday season and then 4 days (Thurs - Sunday) away afterwards. Hope this route sticks. Its been like 7...
Jump to postIt appears KL has the 789 scheduled for SLC when their seasonal flights to AMS resume on March 26, 2017. A few points: First scheduled 787 for SLC Increase of 51 seats vs. current 332 Resuming in March instead of May Immediate 3x weekly instead of waiting until July to go from 2x to 3x weekly DL als...
Jump to posthttp://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 43839.html Both begin March 9, 2017. WN begins SLC-SJC service this Nov as well (already announced). Strengthening California is cited as the reason, but still some decent adds for WN in SLC. SJC and SMF always seemed like holes in their network to me. BUR...
Jump to postI agree that should a JV with KE materialize, a SLC-ICN isn't entirely out of the question even if it is on KE metal...77E, 332, 788/9 Given that KLM is entirely absent from both DTW and MSP, and VS yanking out of DTW-LHR after a short-lived experiment, I'd posture that even with a JV, a DL metal o...
Jump to postBasically zero anytime in the next 5 years. If you look at neighboring medium sized cities, the offering is paltry (I'm not listing SJC since I count that as the same metro as SFO) SLC has already had scheduled service to Asia: NRT on an A332. The aircraft struggled, and feed was limited on the Asi...
Jump to postAgree with Enilria that Latin America essentially means Mexico. Is MEX-SLC's daily DL service seasonal? I suppose it could become an all-year long route. SLC-GDL is 2x weekly (seasonal?); maybe there is room for more frequencies. It will be interesting to see if DL increases frequencies to beach de...
Jump to postI am surprised about the relatively low amount of traffic that flows through SLC I would of thought there we more flights flowing through this hub. I find it impressive actually. Delta has over 250 flights a day from SLC, half of those on mainline aircraft. That's no Atlanta, but a notable amount o...
Jump to post[url=http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1340461] For me, it was informative to see the bank structure at the hub and learn a bit more about the aircraft that are flying over my head every day. There were also a few surprises. For example, I had no idea that DL was running a red-...
Jump to postDelta on SLC-BNA has gone from the occasional 320 to CR9. It's been on the latter for quite awhile. BNA returns to daily 319 service in October. This really was a no brainer for DL I feel. SLC-BNA has consistently had mid to high 90% LFs on the CR9. Yes, yes. LF doesn't mean everything. A nice up-g...
Jump to postWhile I don't post frequently, I have been reading these forums for over a decade. Over that time, I've seen a wide array of opinions regarding the longevity of DL's SLC hub. Would it survive the 2005 bankruptcy? Would it survive the DL/NW merger? Would it survive the recession? Would it survive DL'...
Jump to post"SkyWest Airlines, a subsidiary of SkyWest, Inc. is pleased to bring new daily American Airlines flights between St. George, Utah and Phoenix beginning Nov. 4, 2016. Tickets become available for purchase Saturday, Aug. 13..." St. George to Phoenix Depart Arrive Freq 8:00 a.m. 8:05 a.m. Dai...
Jump to posthttp://gazette.com/frontier-to-fly-to-o ... le/1579217 At the PHX inaugural today, Barry Biffle announced the third destination from COS this year, following LAS and PHX. Daily MCO, A320 service begins on October 30th. Timing isn't bad either except for perhaps cruise traffic. Frontier flew MCO from...
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