Redroo, given the need to get Aussie business customers where they need to go, fast does the Boom ssj change The thinking?Jump to post
From the link: The calculated tracks were used for steering the cameras to the acoustically tracked target to capture pictures. The extended test spanning more than two years has uncovered many challenges that are part of such deployment including the impact of the weather, natural and man-made inte...Jump to post
All this talk about specific technical capabilities of a Tornado to self escort or a Typhoon to find a target is besides the point because, as Saltee so succinctly stated, had the Tornados( or F15E) flown the missions carried out by the F117 the entire fleet would have been lost.Jump to post
The USAF would not send 15E into contested environments just as they did not in the Gulf War. Back then the 117 did all the heavy lifting until the air defense net was degraded( The relative performance between stealth and non stealth ac in the Gulf War was what drove the development of the F35. The...Jump to post
Revelation, seriously, I think we can all agree that many a woman has had dream or two about becoming a princess or at least being treated as one. Is there anything wrong with this? Even though I'm sure it is true there is a least one woman who has never had one single thought about being a princess...Jump to post
operational priorities lead to the F35 so those against it must create non operational criteria in order to pitch their alternative.
The only legitimate reason not to select the F35 is cost but then Germany is essentially buying target drones. Hopefully these are optionaly manned AC.
Let’s hope Boom booms and reinvents ULH!Jump to post
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/qantas-excited-about-nma-and-assisting-boeing-with-443696/ Joyce is saying BA does not have a AC to compete against the 321LR and ,being a customer he is excited to work with them so they will. No customer wants to be in single source situation. I realize a...Jump to post
Think amazon and the migration of very wealthy consumers to rural areas.Jump to post
The elephant in the room is that the Tornado can not penetrate even mildly contested environments let alone alone what would exist in Europe if the worst occurs.
And if the worst occurs Germany, needs an AC that c an complete deep strike missions.
Good grief, Keejie, comparing the F35 to FCAS is like comparing Ali or Joe Frazier to Rocky. The rest of your post is not only tendentious but way off the point. Let me give you a recap of my Friday just to give the forum a sense of the reality of the US/Mexican relations and how skewed your views a...Jump to post
Thank goodness USAF does not have its head in the sand: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-doubts-new-jstars-could-fly-in-contested-airsp-443495/ Keeje, your picture perfectly captures Europe's, soft power, cant we all get along mindset. The problem is that this mind set means nothing i...Jump to post
W, I doubt if Poland, the Czech Republic, South Korea, Japan or even Germany would agree w your views. Yes the Russians did most of the heavy lifting to defeat the Nazis by then showed their true colors. The USA equals freedom and the Soviets just the opposite and everyone but you understands this. ...Jump to post
There are lot of countries that owe their freedom to hardworking and patriotic Americans.
In the USA patriotism means freedom
A large part of this conversation has an under stream of resentment that the F35 would be a great solution if only it were European.
Since we are discussing data points, consider that not one F117 was lost in Iraq despite it doing most of the heavy lifting in the first few days of the invasion. This is not lost on those that may have to penetrate contested airspace in the future.
There is now enough data from Red Flag type exercises to properly inform air forces. F35 adoption will take off in the next few years.
The only option for Germany is the F35 or for Europe to develop a homegrown 5th or 6 th gen AC. 20-30 years and a 10-20 billion should will be required.
Wiederling, I truly enjoy reading your posts. You have a vivid imagination. Really no sarcasm here. I disagree with much, well maybe most of what you say but hey the world would be so much more boring if everything written were non fiction. You do realize that Norway who in their north is already in...Jump to post
To me this is a bellwether order as if any airline could have used the added seats and thrust offered by the 350J it was EK. I think the 10 will dominate the huge volume of 7-8 hr wb routes. 330neo will get 10% of the market. The 10 is to 330neo what the 321lr is to the -9. Good thing for ab that th...Jump to post
Meantime in the real world:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ti-443287/
F18 won’t last minutes in airspace defended with systems capable of shooting down irbm
Ok, hopefully a thorough investigation but I’m thinking more like a small fine and move on, nothing to see here. Sorry if I sound the cynic but Europe has invested a ton into AB/eads.
Afterall, most of the damage was probably done outside of Europe.
How can France and Germany do an independent investigation given that they are owners of EADS?Jump to post
Has anyone wondered, if stealth aircraft are no more effective than 4 th gen ac( might as well call them target drones) why the Russians and Chinese are spending tens of billions developing 5 th gen AC?
Just a bit of critical thinking could make this thread a fair bit shorter.
Meantime in the real world, easy as you plz the Saudis just intercepted a middle. You still want to fly Tornados into contested airspace? Thumper76, no one has responded in any substantive way so I’m not holding my breath that you are any better than the rest at answering the most basic of questions...Jump to post
I think it is very likely Germany will defer the nuclear option to the US. This is the trend in NATO. While this opens up the possibility of choosing either Gripen, EF or Rafael I still see it more likely that Germany chooses the F35. After all what good is a FB that can’t even survive in the easter...Jump to post
C’mon guys, the signal to noise ratio is so low in microphones that the system would provide no defense. Sonar works in water for a reason. It’s telling that you all need such desperate attempts to avoid making the logical decision. Let me go out on a limb and assert that all the F35 naysayers also ...Jump to post
Keejie wrote-In reality operational requirements for the 2030-2050 time frame are leading. Looking at the European situation and the conflicts of the last 25 yrs, endurance, stealth, complexity and network centric would be the main drivers behind a specification. You just defined the F35 Keejie wrot...Jump to post
Keeje, I enjoy the creativity and knowledge you bring to this forum. So I know you understand the mission of the Tornado and that the F35 is the only existing option to replace it in a reasonable time frame. The fact that you have advocated for a European 6th gen AC tells me you understand that the ...Jump to post
Yimby, you are arguing from both sides of your mouth advocating innovative if unproven ideas while arguing that existing 4 th gen ac that are obsolete are good enough. Regards sound detection if it were as viable as you claim you don’t think all the defense contractors who have sonar capabilities wo...Jump to post
Cavalry was anything but dead after WW1. What do you think the panzer Corp was? But that’s not what you originally asserted. You said flanking operations were not considered when in fact, since the Greeks flanking movements were well understood. What was not understood, well enough was just how vuln...Jump to post
Every WW1 combatant had well developed cavalry regiments for what you refer to has circumvention. The problem was that the cavalry could not overrun the flank before being wiped out by machine guns.
Horses are to machine guns the way 4 th gen AC are to modern integrated air defense systems.
Thomas, modern electronics and long range weapons have eliminated much of the security that area and distance once provided. Nukes are the best example of this. But what about Cyber? Cyber can turn space, distance, population density advtages into weapons to be exploited. I fully appreciate the reas...Jump to post
Mxaxai, how is keeping 4 th gen fighters strictly over your own territory any less predictable than the Maginot line?
Oh and just because the recent conflicts are insurgent nature future conflicts will be as well?
Pish, You can do better than that!
Yimby, The Maginot Line was a purely defensive weapon. Very few weapons are purely defensive and those that are provide very little deterrence.
We just through w the Obama expirement. His lead from behind, genuflecting manner just emboldened bad actors such as Putin, NK and Iran.