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by lakeeffect
Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

From that article linked above, this is worded strangely or poorly, which makes CLE sound like its mostly a hub with only around 27% O&D: "....About 9.1 million passed through Hopkins in 2017....The traffic is not just people passing through. About 2.5 million people who used the airport i...

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by lakeeffect
Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Very interesting adds this week at CLE. I think it was inevitable that CLE-SLC would resume on Delta. CLE had to be one of the largest DL eastern stations without a flight to at least one western DL hub (SEA, LAX, SLC). The growth of CLE-JFK to 7x daily is impressive considering CLE is within the LG...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

United has loaded the seasonal weekend nonstop CLE-SJU for next winter, so I guess it was just a temporary cut post hurricane.

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by lakeeffect
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Allegiant's business in Cleveland in September all but evaporates (down 56% from August), much more so than in the other cities. The load factor decline is also greater, meaning business drops even more than the schedule. Why is this? The other CLE carriers do not suffer the same drop; AA even incr...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

The first month of CLE-MKE on Southwest had a 46% load factor in November, United had a 70% LF. Obviously with 2x daily mainline Southwest carried over twice as many passengers as United. But here’s the interesting thing: In November 2016 the total CLE-MKE traffic was about 2,700 passengers. In 2017...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Schedule Extension 02/15/18
Replies: 226
Views: 20257

Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 02/15/18

Looks like MKE-SFO and MKE-SAN are only to be run during the summer peak, but MKE-SEA continues in the new fall schedule. As things stand this fall MIlwaukee will have three mainline nonstops daily to SEA on AS, DL and WN with 452 seats but to the entire state of California...one 143-seat flight to...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 642
Views: 53361

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2018

OAG thread changes, F9 DEN-PDX JUN 1.9>1.4 AUG 0.7>0.5 G4 EUG-IWA MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 G4 EUG-LAS MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 G4 EUG-OAK JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3 G4 LAS-MFR JUL 0.4>0.3 How come the OAG didn't load F9's ne...

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by lakeeffect
Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

It seems like WN adds a new daily route from CLE every year. Will this be the extension that HOU or DAL finally make an appearance?

It will also be interesting to see if CLE-MKE stays 2x daily on both UA and WN. There’s obviously way too much capacity on this route, but so far UA hasn’t blinked.

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by lakeeffect
Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Considering how much F9 adds and deletes at CLE over years, it’s interesting to see CLE-PDX extended for its 3rd summer season. I think this was a route many didn’t expect to last. Interestingly PDX only has Frontier service to DEN, CLE, and now AUS. Considering the long stage length of CLE-PDX, the...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

This brings F9’s July schedule down to just a hair over 8 daily flights at CLE. By comparison, last July was 12.5 flights. That equates to almost 50,000 less departing and arriving seats in CLE this July on Frontier. I think you’re seeing CLE reach an equilibrium. That was a lot of ULCC growth in a ...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Looks like Frontier is actually cutting CLE-AUS service down to 2x weekly from 4x weekly when service begins in April. I guess that helps explain how they are adding so many new routes from AUS. I’d hate to be someone who had already made travel plans in AUS in April only to find out their F9 nonsto...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Regarding Frontier at CLE, they’ve tried dozens of routes over the past few years that there’s not much left to try. The few places they haven’t yet tried are SLC, SAT, MCI, BNA, MEM. F9 has launched/is launching a bunch of new cities recently so that opens up potential places like PVD, CHS, ISP, SJ...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Cleveland Hopkins airport renovates customs area in advance of new Iceland flights (photos) http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2018/01/cleveland_hopkins_airport_plan.html Sounds like it's back to the old days of having to go through TSA on arrival... It’s interesting how it mentions making c...

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by lakeeffect
Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Is cle sju really being cut or is it a typical seasonal adjustment? I have to imagine this one is in hands of a tour operator that commits to filling seats. Analogous to Frontier albeit much smaller but Enilirias Post this week has some Spirit trimming at CLE this spring, a cutback of daily service...

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by lakeeffect
Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Those are very nice numbers for 2017. As for Wow and Icelandair, they will combined be offering about 1600 weekly seats to KEF. As a comparison, CLE-MYR sees about the same number of weekly seats in the summer. If CLE is going to hit 9.5 million for 2018 where will the expansion come from? Frontier...

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by lakeeffect
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Those are very nice numbers for 2017. As for Wow and Icelandair, they will combined be offering about 1600 weekly seats to KEF. As a comparison, CLE-MYR sees about the same number of weekly seats in the summer. If CLE is going to hit 9.5 million for 2018 where will the expansion come from? Frontier ...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^ Hey, the hometown airline is back! I figured it had to happen. I wonder if they'll share maintenance with ExpressJet. So what with the other guys hogging all the news lately, maybe it pays to look at traffic. First ten months of domestic-only boardings 2017 CLE - 3,662K IND - 3,558K PIT - 3,450K ...

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by lakeeffect
Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 897
Views: 85364

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2018

CLE is not the DFW Metroplex or Potomac Region. I still maintain that both Icelandic carriers announcing CLE within one day was some sort of comedy of errors in which the left hand was not talking to the right hand at CLE and no one - including either airline - believed both would end up serving CL...

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by lakeeffect
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

So for 2018 what new routes will F9 add out of CLE? I noticed CLE-MIA was at 54.9%, and MIA-CLE was at 49.7%, will that route stick around? Or will a few of the ATL/IAH/SAN/SFO/LAX be added back? I think CLE-SAT could work for one... F9 started a bunch of new MIA routes in October after the hurrica...

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by lakeeffect
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Looks like the Facts & Figures section of CLE's website got an overhaul. October figures are posted, as are links to monthly spreadsheets with "Passenger Volume Month over Month" listed for 2017. Wonder why international traffic is down -7.49% YTD. I'm sure there will be a significant...

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by lakeeffect
Fri Jan 05, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Having already released October numbers, CLE updated their "Facts and Figures" website page to show traffic through September. The last update was June, so maybe they plan to do it quarterly. Extrapolating from Sept-Oct numbers based on prior years' data, it does appear that CLE will brea...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

greenair727 wrote:
^Did they do this in 2017? I know in previous years they (or CO) have done this.


United has been operating this summer seasonal since the hub closure. Last summer it only operated mid June through August, so the season is twice as long this year.

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by lakeeffect
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 818
Views: 67806

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

United loaded their Saturday seasonal non-stop CLE-CHS flight for 2018. They’ve really extended the season for it this year. Flights resume April 14th and continue through August 18th.

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by lakeeffect
Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

The quote from Joe Roman in Crain's is in a strange place. Its not on article about air service or 2018 predictions even. Its an opinion piece by Jay Miller, one of their writers, who thinks Amazon with pass on CLE for its HQ2. The quote is not part of the article, but forced into a sidebar box on ...

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by lakeeffect
Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

^I've edited my post about AMS above--and then noticed these responses (on a new page). I've updated my post to say CLE-AMS on KLM, not DL. Though, if not KLM, I'd still go with CLE-AMS, but on DL. It’s interesting to speculate on what the carrier/route might be, but if I had to bet I’d also go wit...

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by lakeeffect
Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Quoting from a longer Crain's Cleveland article: ""Building off the region's momentum, Cleveland Hopkins will continue to see record growth [in 2018]. Included in that growth, and along with Iceland Air and Wow Air's new service beginning in May of 2018, an additional new line of direct s...

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by lakeeffect
Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017
Replies: 2150
Views: 188625

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

CLE ULCCs presence wasn't nearly at the level of what CVG is now and even with that fact there is no B6 CLE-MCO. Huh? I mean, agreed that CVG-MCO is a saturated route, but CLE's level of ULCC service is the same if not higher than CVG's between a F9 operation that's bigger than CVG, NK (which doesn...

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by lakeeffect
Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Does WN or NK offer connections out of MSY? I don’t see how these planes are going to be filled unless they sell lots of onward connections. I was just looking at the Q1 O&D for CLE-MSY and it’s about 150 passengers both ways combined. As a comparison CLE-MCO is over 900 passengers both ways com...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

From my personal experience, WW and Condor's arrival in PIT didn't spur the legacies to compete via their NYC hubs. You either fly WW, or pay the regular inflated legacy price that they've always charged. At least here in PGH with UA out of EWR. Still grateful we have the low cost options now, but ...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

I think the bleed that CLE often sees for TATL trips will come to an abrupt end this spring with the Icelandic carriers starting service. I’ve seen fares from CLE to CDG as low as $330 round trip this spring on Wow. Icelandair’s pricing has been very reasonable with most Europe markets priced under ...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

AA’s April schedule now has 5 mainline flights to CLT from CLE per day (plus 2 regional jets). One of the mainline flights is now an A320. This seems like a pretty big capacity bump from previous seasons alongside the increased mainline PHL flying. Also of note is that AA will be moving one of the L...

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by lakeeffect
Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 12/24/2017: DL Drops DAY-LGA, EK Daily to Florida, NK Cuts MSP-PHL, VR Out of PVD, WN Adds CVG-PHX
Replies: 102
Views: 15553

Re: OAG Changes 12/24/2017: DL Drops DAY-LGA, EK Daily to Florida, NK Cuts MSP-PHL, VR Out of PVD, WN Adds CVG-PHX

AA CLE-LGA APR 3>1.9 AA JFK-CLE APR 1.0>1.9 Interesting to see AA move an LGA frequency over to JFK. That's now 6 daily total CLE-JFK (2x AA, 4x DL), just 2 years ago this was 3 daily (1x AA, 2x DL). Without any low cost presence, JFK has strangely seen one of the largest O&D increases from CLE...

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by lakeeffect
Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

CLE will probably hit 9 million passengers for 2017, but that number will probably drop for 2018. Frontier really beefed up their summer 2017 schedule at CLE which drove passenger growth, and F9’s summer 2018 schedule looks like it will have 20,000 less departing seats per month. The Icelandic carri...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

This is certainly an interesting add for Southwest at CLE, but it seems like Southwest is doing a lot of Sunday only seasonal routes these days. Perhaps there are a lot of people who take Sunday to Sunday vacations, but more than likely you'll get passengers who take the nonstop on either the outbou...

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by lakeeffect
Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: YHZ Possible new Europe routes
Replies: 27
Views: 5044

Re: YHZ Possible new Europe routes

I wouldn’t consider Halifax to be overserved to Europe based on its population. If population was a limiting factor for Europe service, all those tiny Caribbean islands with populations a fraction of the size of Nova Scotia would have no service to Europe at all. Nova Scotia has considerable tourist...

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by lakeeffect
Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

CAK is closing their remote economy parking lot - declining traffic blamed. https://www.ohio.com/akron/business/breaking-news-business/low-demand-leading-akron-canton-airport-to-close-economy-parking-lot It seems when CLE traffic goes up, CAK traffic falls and vice versa. Southwest leaving is proba...

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by lakeeffect
Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Losing AS to PIT has to be a blow to CLE's recruitment team. It's a prime carrier vs. the fickle routings of F9 and NK. Somehow, CLE needs to figure out how to win these routes. I guess no SLC and whatever was hinted at earlier in 2017 either. Frontier’s seasonal and less than daily CLE-SEA nonstop...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

CLE numbers for October were 816.5K pax up from 741.3K the year before. For the year through October, the airport says 7,678K up 557K from 2016; CLE projects over 9 million for the full year, exceeding UA's last full hub year 2013. http://www.clevelandairport.com/cleveland-hopkins-airport-continues...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Interesting, CLE seems like a market ripe for more service to Orlando, but I am especially surprised that WN hasn't had a go at it, I can't think of any reason why they couldn't make it work... It’s comical to think that during March, CLE has more daily flights to MKE than MCO! It’s hard to believe...

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by lakeeffect
Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

I didn’t realize how few flights CLE had to MCO compared to other airports in the region. For example, next March during spring break (ignoring Saturday peak day flights), CLE has just 3 daily flights to MCO, one each on United, Frontier, and Spirit. By comparison: PIT has 6 daily; 4 on Southwest, 1...

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by lakeeffect
Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Adds CMH-MCO/FLL/RSW/LAS/TPA/MSY/MYR
Replies: 36
Views: 3465

Re: Spirit Adds CMH-MCO/FLL/RSW/LAS/TPA/MSY/MYR

MCO, FLL, RSW, LAS, TPA begin February 15th, MSY, MYR begin March 22nd. http://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/11/08/1177925/0/en/Spirit-Airlines-Adds-Columbus-Ohio-to-its-Growing-Network.html Good for CMH. I may be crazy, but I think this further weakens CAK for NK. CAK-FLL/TPA/RSW were pr...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

It's going to be tough for CLE to show much growth next summer if nobody adds any capacity. When this past summer was running 85% loads airport-wide, that means everybody was full on the most popular travel days. The Icelanders will be adding about 1,800 seats a week, but that's not even a 2% incre...

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by lakeeffect
Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Interesting. Any idea what their peak was— or are we there now? I seem to remember fewer cities but more frequencies years back. It depends on how you define peak. Southwest was up to about 21 daily summer departures from 2004-2007 at CLE. However, load factors during that time were often in the 50...

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by lakeeffect
Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

I was actually surprised to see that Southwest didn’t add anything new to CLE with the summer extension, especially considering the airport hinted new service by Southwest was to be announced in the fall. As for Southwest expanding at CLE, they’ve grown nicely the past two years, but the growth seem...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

With WN’s schedule extension next week, I wonder if CLE will get any new routes? The airport hinted at a WN expansion earlier this summer, so perhaps this will be when it gets announced. The WN MKE service also starts up soon and fares look bargain basement with UA and WN slashing fares to match eac...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WOW Air adds KEF-CVG, STL, DTW & CLE!
Replies: 171
Views: 22335

Re: WOW Air adds KEF-CVG, STL, DTW & CLE!

For CLE, this isn't that many seats to fill to Europe when looking at the big picture. Right now, roughly 27% of enplanements at CLE are on an ULCC. That's well over 2 million passengers per year. It was only 4 years ago that 0 passengers at CLE were ULCC. That just goes to show what has happened to...

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by lakeeffect
Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Great news for CLE with Icelandair. Hopefully bookings are good enough to get this up to more than 4x weekly next summer.

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by lakeeffect
Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Frontier to Offer Connections in CVG/CLE/MCO/AUS + possibly more cities
Replies: 27
Views: 4601

Re: Frontier to Offer Connections in CVG/CLE/MCO/AUS + possibly more cities

It will be interesting to see how this works out. I'm inclined to think that this means they will now sell connections on flights that happen to work out by chance. Who knows though, F9 could try having a couple banks of flights at CLE and CVG instead? At CLE, there are more than enough available ga...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Cuyahoga County Airport in Cleveland, OH, $11.3 million – grant funds will be used to repair and extend Runway 06/24...." Great! The extension will help Nextant take on larger rebuilds. Meanwhile CLE reported the best July since 2001, 12% better thn last year, which was impacted by RNC traffic...

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by lakeeffect
Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155209

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

I wouldn't expect much in the way of connecting traffic from Frontier. It'll probably be just incidental connections based on aircraft routing. For example, currently it's the same plane that flies MCO-CLE that then goes on to PDX. F9 can sell connections on these flights because if the MCO flight i...

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