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by osupoke07
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 289
Views: 39208

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

I can see QF, KE, NZ, AA, and a mix of Chinese carriers. Once the plane enters service I can see more orders. There are still a ton of young 77W out there which undoubtedly impacts 777X sales as well. AA had their 77W delivered from 2012 to 2016, so they are all still very young. I bet they replace...

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by osupoke07
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Sets Retirement Date for MD-80s
Replies: 147
Views: 42585

Re: American Airlines Sets Retirement Date for MD-80s

blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't AA buy the MD-90?


I imagine because AA made a large commitment to the 737-800 at the time. They didn't really expand the MD-80 fleet significantly until they acquired the TWA assets which I believe was after they made their first 737-800 order.

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by osupoke07
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Sets Retirement Date for MD-80s
Replies: 147
Views: 42585

Re: American Airlines Sets Retirement Date for MD-80s

TTailedTiger wrote:
Why doesn't AA at least put some thought into the last flights? They operated over 300 of them and it served AA very well. ORD-STL-DFW would be something appropriate.


Could do flight number 1348 as well M=13, D=4, 80=8. I like that Delta did a nice farewell tour of their DC-9.

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by osupoke07
Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 191
Views: 23544

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

I actually fully agree with you. I really want boeing to scrap this NMA idea and build the 737 replacement with 4 family members , the smallest being 737-8.5max size(as close to 200 pax as you can get), the Next family member 737-10 size the next 757/A322 hypothetical to cover the NMA . Beat Airbus...

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by osupoke07
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019
Replies: 143
Views: 15318

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/dfw-airport/2018/12/30/dfw-airport-prepares-record-growth-terminal-f-decision-looms I read that article and I'm struggling to see what the solution other than a copy of terminal D is? They already have Skylink built for it which makes passenger connections easier...

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by osupoke07
Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS expands presence at DAL
Replies: 146
Views: 17977

Re: AS expands presence at DAL

FA9295 wrote:
enilria wrote:
This is not happening because of demand. It would be interesting to know why it *is* happening. I’m sure it’s a bargaining ploy.

I agree. It's not like the west coast-Dallas market has suddenly skyrocketed. Something else is up here.


Smells like gate squatting to me.

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by osupoke07
Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American at ORD--Upgauging and Expansion (or Lack Thereof)
Replies: 13
Views: 2566

Re: American at ORD--Upgauging and Expansion (or Lack Thereof)

RE ORD-BWI, this is probably just an O&D route only for AA, and for those passengers, they're competing with WN (two of their biggest stations on each end), UA, and NK. Almost all connecting traffic out of BWI can be routed through their DFW and CLT mega hubs.

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by osupoke07
Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA announces SFO-DEL/MEL/YYZ; Expands AKL/AMS/PPT/ICN.
Replies: 507
Views: 68993

Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

evanb wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
If it is IAH-JNB, UA could always schedule a tech stop at MIA if needed. The great circle route posted above seems to go right over the city.


No they can't. They'd have to remove all passengers and clear customs at MIA on the westbound.


Oh, didn't know that. Never mind on that then.

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by osupoke07
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA announces SFO-DEL/MEL/YYZ; Expands AKL/AMS/PPT/ICN.
Replies: 507
Views: 68993

Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

If it is IAH-JNB, UA could always schedule a tech stop at MIA if needed. The great circle route posted above seems to go right over the city.

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by osupoke07
Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Article: AA Flight Attendant Told the CEO: Our Standards 'Suck' Compared With United's and Delta's.
Replies: 159
Views: 23833

Re: Article: AA Flight Attendant Told the CEO: Our Standards 'Suck' Compared With United's and Delta's.

AA lost my luggage on 3 consecutive flights so I never flew them again. That was 1982. Well it's a good thing there's been no improvement in technology in 35 years that could try to change your opinion (/s). I can track the progress of my bag through the system every time an agent scanned it. The S...

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by osupoke07
Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Announces BWI-GCM, HOU-PUJ, AUS-RDU, BNA-BUR/SJC/OMA, OMA-SAN, ONT-SFO
Replies: 35
Views: 6365

Re: WN Announces BWI-GCM, HOU-PUJ, AUS-RDU, BNA-BUR/SJC/OMA, OMA-SAN, ONT-SFO

texdravid wrote:
I was hoping for SAN-OKC/TUL instead.
That would be a good new route


I'd love for Tulsa to get service to SAN and and BWI.

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by osupoke07
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NK Announces AUS-FLL/MCO/BWI/MSY/DEN/ORD/DTW/LAS/LAX
Replies: 58
Views: 5767

Re: NK Announces AUS-FLL/MCO/BWI/MSY/DEN/ORD/DTW/LAS/LAX

24Whiskey wrote:
VX got hammered doing AUS-DAL without connections.


VX was (IMO) merely keeping a full schedule at DAL so they didn't lose any slots while they figured out where to re-align capacity. But back to NK, good luck to them on their new routes.

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by osupoke07
Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B787-10 future prospects?
Replies: 218
Views: 27007

Re: B787-10 future prospects?

I dont think you will see AA ordering the 787-10 anytime soon. They seem happy with their current fleet mix. Had they wanted them I think you would have seen an order by now. AA needs to get it debt in check and soon. I’m sure they ll need to start looking at B772ER replacements soon Their 787-9 4 ...

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by osupoke07
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA MadDog rumor du jour:
Replies: 49
Views: 13575

Re: AA MadDog rumor du jour:

TUL surely will get a final flight of some kind. There is a AA MD-80 at the air and space museum there. Thankfully booked on an MD-80 for Thanksgiving this year. Will likely be my last chance to fly the type.

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by osupoke07
Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2018
Replies: 764
Views: 127485

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

I am a Boeing fan but I think AA made a mistake taking delivery on the Max. A straight airbus NB fleet would offer far more synergies going forward. Especially with a network as complex as AA's. For a quick refresher, in 2011, AA ordered 460 narrow body (200 Boeing / 260 Airbus) with options and pu...

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by osupoke07
Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 3491
Views: 421642

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

So the question is... Does the reduced lift independent drag outweigh both the increase in induced drag due to increased fuselage weight and the reduced versatility of a smaller cargo compartment? Fred It would definitely be worth the going oval. Medium to long thin routes usually have very little ...

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by osupoke07
Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OKC Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 94
Views: 3118

Re: Oklahoma Aviation | 2018 discussion

Not too long ago, TUL was awarded a $750,000 in federal grant money and is seeking nonstop service to Seattle (SEA) on Alaska Airlines: https://www.tulsaworld.com/business-quicks-tulsa-airport-lands-grant-seeks-nonstop-flight-to/article_06dca75c-9360-5c40-ad6c-26e359d94f66.html Granted, it's just a...

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by osupoke07
Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Tahiti Nui B787-9 at OKC
Replies: 25
Views: 5546

Re: Air Tahiti Nui B787-9 at OKC

Judging by the origination point (CHS) and the current weather in OKC, it seems like it might have been a weather divert on a delivery flight. There appears to be a strong line of storms moving through the area. Maybe they made the decision to wait it out on the ground instead of flying above or thr...

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by osupoke07
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, BWI unveil new state-of-the-art maintenance facility
Replies: 22
Views: 2941

Re: Southwest, BWI unveil new state-of-the-art maintenance facility

https://www.facebook.com/BWIairport/videos/295082564652760/ MD Governor Larry Hogan and Southwest CEO Gary Kelly unveil "major new regional maintenance facility" at BWI, as part of a celebration of 25 years of LUV at BWI. -130,000 sq ft -"First of its kind for Southwest on east coast...

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by osupoke07
Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing meet Qantas Project Sunrise challenge, RFP to be completed by end of 2019
Replies: 264
Views: 39450

Re: Airbus and Boeing meet Qantas Project Sunrise challenge, RFP to be completed by end of 2019

I'm not sure what the heck any of this has to do with Qantas. :scratchching Just the ordinary input of the BED (Boeing Enthusiasts Department) :biggrin: Back on topic: I think both OEM will show Qantas a very capable airplane. I don’t think it’s just B778 versus A35K-ULR, but also what the possibil...

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by osupoke07
Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Confirms 767 Retirement Date
Replies: 103
Views: 25070

Re: American Airlines Confirms 767 Retirement Date

INFINITI329 wrote:
If the 797 comes to fruition, I fully expect AA to convert some 787 options to the 797


They also deferred 40 737MAX orders when they made their last 787 order. Those seem like prime orders to be converted upwards to 797 if and when Boeing finally offers it for sale.

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by osupoke07
Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The end of the line for the 737 design now proven?
Replies: 70
Views: 14950

Re: The end of the line for the 737 design now proven?

You are probably right about the end. The 737 replacement will most likely be a mini 797. I firmly believe that the NSA will share a common type rating with the NMA 797 and that part of the development time we're seeing now is to reduce the time to market for the NSA model. Heck, NSA may even BE a ...

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by osupoke07
Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon
Replies: 248
Views: 59711

Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Comfortable? It will still be worse than on the A350 and even on the B747. The 777X is supposed to be at least 18 inches in 10 across (or at least thats what the plan was) so about as good as a 9 Across A350. With all due respect, this is impossible. The 777X has the same external fuselage width as...

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by osupoke07
Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:30 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works
Replies: 269
Views: 19200

Re: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works

I'm also interested to see if this new gear will be available on the -8 and -9 models as part of a short field package or a MAX-ER version if the current fuel tanks are not already volume limited.

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by osupoke07
Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:11 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works
Replies: 269
Views: 19200

Re: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works

So instead of moving the pivot point backwards like the E-190 as some initially speculated, they seems like they have essentially kept the gear on the ground longer by extending it on rotation once the plane starts producing lift to give it a better rotation angle. Interesting how they don't show t...

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by osupoke07
Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:32 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works
Replies: 269
Views: 19200

Re: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works

So instead of moving the pivot point backwards like the E-190 as some initially speculated, they seems like they have essentially kept the gear on the ground longer by extending it on rotation once the plane starts producing lift to give it a better rotation angle.

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by osupoke07
Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon
Replies: 248
Views: 59711

Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

According to a news release back in May; BA was looking at a big 777X order..... https://aviationnews.online/2018/05/05/british-airways-set-to-order-up-to-30-777-9-10/ It mentions a potential order of the 777-10? That eacalated quickly ! I wonder if Boeing actually pitched the 777-10x to them as an...

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by osupoke07
Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will American Airlines have largest A319 fleet?
Replies: 48
Views: 8926

Re: When will American Airlines have largest A319 fleet?

It's my understanding that one of the reasons the used 319 has become in demand is because they are so cheap to acquire; I'm hearing around $5M a frame. At those prices, they are "disposable" equipment. According to LAXintl's last airframe pricing thread, the A319 is selling for $5.0 - $3...

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by osupoke07
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will American Airlines have largest A319 fleet?
Replies: 48
Views: 8926

Re: When will American Airlines have largest A319 fleet?

It's my understanding that one of the reasons the used 319 has become in demand is because they are so cheap to acquire; I'm hearing around $5M a frame. At those prices, they are "disposable" equipment. According to LAXintl's last airframe pricing thread, the A319 is selling for $5.0 - $3...

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by osupoke07
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2nd longest non stop MAX flight begins today
Replies: 109
Views: 20957

Re: 2nd longest non stop MAX flight begins today

Honestly, whether you are at an aisle or center is a far bigger issue to me than the width of the cabin. My worst flight was in the middle 2 seats of a 77W (3-4-3 seating) from Toronto to Vancouver. I've flown comparable length flights on 737 and the 737 was by far more pleasant because I had a win...

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by osupoke07
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US airlines gear up for next round of Tokyo HND slots allocation ahead of 2020 Olympics
Replies: 94
Views: 10383

Re: US airlines gear up for next round of Tokyo HND slots allocation ahead of 2020 Olympics

Assuming a frequency is one movement and the 39,000 frequency number is an annual amount, that works out to 53.4 daily slot pairs to be awarded. (39,000 / 365 / 2) Obviously at least half of those are going to ANA and JAL, so that leaves at most 26-27 daily slot pairs for international carriers. It ...

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by osupoke07
Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United to begin test of premium lie-flat seating on B737-Max10
Replies: 92
Views: 15781

Re: United to begin test of premium lie-flat seating on B737-Max10

UAL may be configuring these Airplanes to take over Premium Service on "Transcon" routes, EWR-LAX - SFO, IAD-LAX-SFO, ORD-LAX-SFO, IAH-LAX-SFO. That might be a minimum of 16 airplanes. aside from the EWR,or IAD flights to ORD, IAH,and DEN. Especially DEN in the Winter.That cargo hold is r...

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by osupoke07
Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 463
Views: 61992

Re: American Airlines Network Thread 2018

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/69797-american-airlines-gets-priority-in-gate-allocation-at-miami "American Airlines gets priority in gate allocation at Miami" American receives priority access at 61 of the 140 gates. How does this compare to their priority access now? Is that an ...

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by osupoke07
Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: E195-E2 vs. 737MAX7
Replies: 89
Views: 9332

Re: E195-E2 vs. 737MAX7

How much longer can the E2-195ish model be stretched? It seems to me that having the ability to close more of the gap between 100 and 150 seats will help justify the mainline operational costs. I would think the closer an aircraft is to the 76 seat cutoff, the more I'm going to defer to outsourcing...

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by osupoke07
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 3491
Views: 421642

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

If Boeing is already testing systems without having a solid business case for NMA, that tells me they have applications beyond NMA in mind for the systems. Boeing won't say it for quite a few more years, to avoid kneecapping the MAX, but I think this shows that Boeing is developing NMA and NSA as c...

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by osupoke07
Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DFW 2018 Developments
Replies: 309
Views: 36059

Re: DFW 2018 Developments

Cool article from DMN today on the top routes from DFW and DAL... not new routes but gives us an idea (however imperfect the metric) of the most revenue-producing routes. https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2018/07/11/airlineroutes-generate-cash-north-texas-top-10 I'm very surprised that t...

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by osupoke07
Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220
Replies: 217
Views: 32681

Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

#CSERIESBESTSERIES #BRINGBACKTHECSERIES #SAVETHECSERIES #STOPTHISMADNESS So after Airbus demonstrated that they are complete morons. It wasn't enough that they ruin the name, they had to make it demeaning in comparison with their own products. Well I guess the superior program has to lose something...

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by osupoke07
Tue Jul 10, 2018 12:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220
Replies: 217
Views: 32681

Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

https://twitter.com/airwayslive/status/1016610880182726656 Interesting. Also Airbus states the CSeries (A220) production line will be able to do 50-60 aircraft a month. The deliveries and backlog numbers are expected to change soon. Interesting comparison. They have the 737-8 on there twice by coun...

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by osupoke07
Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220
Replies: 217
Views: 32681

Re: Airbus rebrands C-Series to A220

I wonder if it'll ever be known by the Airbus nomenclature or remain forever as the C Series, the 717 was really just an MD95. This is quite a bit different. With the MD-95, we had a rebrand of the last model of a long and successful airframe originating and growing from the DC-9. That would be sim...

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by osupoke07
Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Embraer and Boeing Partnership confirmed
Replies: 700
Views: 81664

Re: Updated: Embraer and Boeing Partnership confirmed

Boeing and Airbus are following Microsoft lead, if you can't invent it buy it. Both realize that their A318 / 737-6 do not make it so use your financial strength to get a/c. I agree that if the MRJ had not been delayed they may have been a candidate, but I don't think they would have given up 80%. ...

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by osupoke07
Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Embraer and Boeing Partnership confirmed
Replies: 700
Views: 81664

Re: Updated: Embraer and Boeing Partnership confirmed

Any guesses on a possible new name for the E-Jet family under Boeing ownership? :) My guess, something similar to: Embraer E2-175 ------> Boeing 717-700 MAX Embraer E2-190 ------> Boeing 717-800 MAX Embraer E2-195 ------> Beoing 717-900 MAX I like it. 717 can be the default numbering for any acquir...

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by osupoke07
Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has given the 3 Major Engine Manufacturers until June 27 to submit their 797 engine proposals
Replies: 313
Views: 46724

Re: Boeing has given the 3 Major Engine Manufacturers until June 27 to submit their 797 engine proposals

I wouldn't be surprised if American put in a big order, they really love new jets I could see a small order with some options. AA seems pretty set fleet wise. I bet that 788 order turns into 797s pretty darn quick. You I doubt they convert the 788 order, but the deferral of 40 737MAX seems suspicio...

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by osupoke07
Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Something is happening at the site of DFW Terminal F
Replies: 51
Views: 9508

Re: Something is happening at the site of DFW Terminal F

It is, indeed, utterly ironic, however, that O&D has become more difficult than connecting because one of rhe original selling points of the DFW terminal layout was the minimum of walking required to get to your gate after parking your car Yes 40 years on after DFW being built, that dynamic has...

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by osupoke07
Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Something is happening at the site of DFW Terminal F
Replies: 51
Views: 9508

Re: Something is happening at the site of DFW Terminal F

So, when the wind is from the south planes coming from east of DFW land on 17R and 17C, which result in a 10 minutes taxi, or even worse, land on 17L which entails a 15 minute taxi time. With south winds, planes coming from the west primarily use 18R and 31R. Planes coming from the east primarily u...

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by osupoke07
Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has given the 3 Major Engine Manufacturers until June 27 to submit their 797 engine proposals
Replies: 313
Views: 46724

Re: Boeing has given the 3 Major Engine Manufacturers until June 27 to submit their 797 engine proposals

Looks like the 797 is coming soon. Very soon. Maybe even within a month, if it follows the 787 timeline. Exciting! John said that launch could happen soon after the choice of engine supplier is made. We don't know when that choice will be made since Boeing is just receiving the RFP responses today....

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by osupoke07
Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus delivers first 280t a350 to Iberia
Replies: 61
Views: 14788

Re: Airbus delivers first 280t a350 to Iberia

348 seats in a three-class full-service airline A359 is impressive (and perhaps an indicator of why the A350-1000 is selling slowly - the A359 is eating into its turf because it is turning out to be bigger than we expected?) Sounds tight tbh, seatmap published yet? Nothing for Iberia yet. FinAir se...

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by osupoke07
Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR
Replies: 470
Views: 71736

Re: Airbus is studying A321XLR to challenge Boeing

Isn't this essentially the 321+ or 321 ++?

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by osupoke07
Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: N772SW Heading to VCV
Replies: 37
Views: 7841

Re: N772SW Heading to VCV

Which incident? http://avherald.com/h?article=4b7725fb&opt=0 -that incident-. The airframe damage does not look bad enuf to scrap the bird. Maybe they just want to wait in hopes that noone will identify the aircraft as the one where a lady died. Probably have it sit out a few months then come b...

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by osupoke07
Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPS orders 3 more 767
Replies: 14
Views: 4068

Re: UPS orders 3 more 767

If the 767-F hangs on long enough, pretty soon we'll see monthly 767NEO threads here!

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by osupoke07
Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Report Released on Westjet Near Water Impact at SXM
Replies: 51
Views: 7294

Re: Westjet Near Water Impact in Sint Maarten

Great YouTube of the incident both inside and out to refresh memories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN3Fd0x0FoQ It sounds like the pilot tried to level off. You can hear the engines spool up, then stay consistent (from about 0:14-0:21), then they spool up again to TOGA (0:25) and they blast off....

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