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by Stitch
Mon May 29, 2017 2:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: With the 747-8i all but dead, can the 747-8F gain significant orders as a result of earlier 747 freighters retiring?
Replies: 4
Views: 621

Re: With the 747-8i all but dead, can the 747-8F gain significant orders as a result of earlier 747 freighters retiring?

Unlikely, IMO. Air cargo is still rather weak and more and more of it is smaller and lighter items (like consumer electronics) that can be carried in the holds of passenger jets. With fuel so cheap, operating 747-400 series freighters is economical enough that it doesn't justify the capital expense ...

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by Stitch
Sun May 28, 2017 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43
Replies: 1794
Views: 162436

Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

How will the sale of a test frame for scrap be reflected in Boeing reporting? Will it be reported as the sale of a 787 frame? It cannot be, since the airframe is part of the R&D "fleet" so it's effectively considered a non-saleable prototype. Boeing will report revenue from the sale, ...

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by Stitch
Sun May 28, 2017 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition
Replies: 656
Views: 78896

Re: Boeing 787-9 <-> Airbus A330-900 Competition

Specific pricing is usually under an NDA so no surprise people aren't giving numbers. :) Airlines are required to publicly disclose through their financial reporting their capital expenditures. While not literally accurate as it can (and usually does) include ancillaries like engines, spares and tra...

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by Stitch
Sat May 27, 2017 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43
Replies: 1794
Views: 162436

Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

How about Boeing writes off the terrible teens (until LN19) with the real loss they had as part of an initiative to reduce the deferred cost. Could this be better then the tipple steps each quarter now provides? Is that even possible separately? I am not sure they can under Program Accounting rules...

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by Stitch
Fri May 26, 2017 11:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43
Replies: 1794
Views: 162436

Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

If Boeing sell this aircraft at scrap value there could be a loss on sale due to the difference between scrap and book values LN004 and LN005 were written off on July 21, 2016 via a charge of $847 million to 2Q 2016 earnings on account of their being reclassified as a research-and-development expen...

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by Stitch
Fri May 26, 2017 10:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why was the 767-400ER not more successful?
Replies: 26
Views: 6743

Re: Why was the 767-400ER not more successful?

Biggest issue was it arrived too late in the product cycle - the A330-200 was already in production and offered greater capacity and performance over the 767-400ER for most operators. Boeing tried to address the performance gap with the 767-400ERX, but that depended on the engines planned for the 74...

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by Stitch
Fri May 26, 2017 10:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43
Replies: 1794
Views: 162436

Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

Boeing found a buyer for LN 5: I just got word that LN5 has been sold to a scrap company. The new owner is looking where it can be stored it until it can be torn apart. https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/status/868193428420558852 It should be a good test case for recycling a significantly CFRP air...

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by Stitch
Fri May 26, 2017 6:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43
Replies: 1794
Views: 162436

Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

a little off topic. just curious, if Boeing doesnt get a new order for the 787-8/9/10. At the rate they are building them, how long would it take them to deliver all the frames? As of the end of April, Boeing had 672 unfilled orders for the 787 family. At the current 12 per month rate, that is 56 m...

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by Stitch
Wed May 24, 2017 9:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Accidents that changed aviation
Replies: 105
Views: 8979

Re: Accidents that changed aviation

What about the crash of the AF A320 during a demo flight in 1988? First commercial fly-by-wire flight. The FBW system worked correctly in that accident, as I recall. I believe the real cause was Pilot Error in picking the wrong runway (the one he thought he was on did not have a forest at the end) ...

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by Stitch
Tue May 23, 2017 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Accidents that changed aviation
Replies: 105
Views: 8979

Re: Accidents that changed aviation

What about the crash of the AF A320 during a demo flight in 1988? First commercial fly-by-wire flight. The FBW system worked correctly in that accident, as I recall. I believe the real cause was Pilot Error in picking the wrong runway (the one he thought he was on did not have a forest at the end) ...

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by Stitch
Tue May 23, 2017 9:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Who is most likely to place an "end of the line" order for the 748?
Replies: 100
Views: 12514

Re: Who is most likely to place an "end of the line" order for the 748?

I fail to see what any of that has to do with 4 engines. The 779 will have greater lift capacity, more space including cargo space, and longer range than the current VC25. By any and all means, it will be a huge improvement over what exists today. I fail to see why a 748 is needed for what is likel...

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by Stitch
Tue May 23, 2017 6:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Who is most likely to place an "end of the line" order for the 748?
Replies: 100
Views: 12514

Re: Who is most likely to place an "end of the line" order for the 748?

The 747-X was never commercially launched, so it's actual interest was never known. I'd argue that the 747-500/-600 would have done better than the -8 in terms of sales. LH expressed serious interest in the 747-X (which is probably why the agreed to launch the Intercontinental ). As for the 747-500...

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by Stitch
Tue May 23, 2017 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop
Replies: 567
Views: 89087

Re: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop

LAX772LR wrote:
Ruscoe wrote:
I think not well remembered that Boeing did have a 138,700 litre fuel option (similar to the 359) for the 9

Within the existing tank or with auxiliary tanks?


That number came from modernairliners.com, but has no supporting reference. Personally I would consider it apocryphal at this point.

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by Stitch
Tue May 23, 2017 5:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Concorde Why no 1st class?
Replies: 133
Views: 16633

Re: Concorde Why no 1st class?

Pics of BA Concorde at DFW 1988 .... with Delta ground equipment. The airframe was a British Airways Concorde, but the flight was not operated by British Airways. It was operated by Braniff International with Braniff staff at the controls and working the cabin and the tickets were issued on Braniff...

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by Stitch
Mon May 22, 2017 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop
Replies: 567
Views: 89087

Re: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop

sunrisevalley wrote:
I believe 80k engines are in development.


I believe the GEnx-1B78 is rated at just over 80,000 lbs thrust per the EASA TCDS and I believe the Trent 1000-TEN will offer similar.

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by Stitch
Mon May 22, 2017 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1
Replies: 336
Views: 78604

Re: A330 NEO Production And Delivery Thread Part 1

c933103 wrote:
What do they mean that is will be developed from both -800 and -900


I believe the current A330ACJ is offered on both the A330-200 and A330-300 platforms so stands to reason the neo model will be offered on both, as well.

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by Stitch
Sun May 21, 2017 2:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Saudi Gulf to buy B777 and B787
Replies: 39
Views: 10622

Re: Saudi Gulf to buy B777 and B787

Al Arabiya's webpage listed the Top 15 agreements signed between the US and the Kingdom this weekend, one of which is "aircraft purchase agreement between Saudi Airlines and Boeing".

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by Stitch
Sun May 21, 2017 12:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Singapore Airlines to return first five A380s
Replies: 75
Views: 24811

Re: Singapore Airlines to return first five A380s

I wouldn't be surprised these five A380's will likely be converted to VIP configuration. The governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait or the UAE might take them as governmental-use transports. One would suspect one of them could have taken the already-existing A380CJ for that role. I believe ther...

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by Stitch
Sat May 20, 2017 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Saudi Gulf to buy B777 and B787
Replies: 39
Views: 10622

Re: Saudi Gulf to buy B777 and B787

Is this just firming up the order for 15 777s and 13 787s from Saudi that was discussed in September 2016? That order was for Saudi Arabian Airlines, though Boeing's O&D page doesn't show it as booked yet (unless it's as a UFO). That being said, on April 27th, Dr. Ghassan Abdul Rahman al-Shabal...

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by Stitch
Sat May 20, 2017 11:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Saudi Gulf to buy B777 and B787
Replies: 39
Views: 10622

Re: Saudi Gulf to buy B777 and B787

We still don't even have a source. And, even a google search didn't bring any news up. The Kingdom just signed a very large (USD 110 billion) defense deal with the USA during the State Visit so it's quite possible that commercial deals have been or will be made during the visit, as well, even if it...

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by Stitch
Sat May 20, 2017 8:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop
Replies: 567
Views: 89087

Re: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop

Still wondering why the 788 has more (physically) available wing tankage than the 789 though. What causes that? That I do not know. Boeing's Hazardous Materials document for the 787 family gives the various fuel tank volumes for both the -8 and -9 and for whatever reason, the -9's is a bit lower fo...

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by Stitch
Sat May 20, 2017 4:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop
Replies: 567
Views: 89087

Re: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop

The weight story for the 789 is a bit murky. I think at one point early on Boeing published a MTOW of 230.7t. I somehow don't think the growth from there to 254t was mainly driven by shifting to nine-abreast seating and flat beds in business. When the first 789s were about to be delivered to NZ Boe...

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by Stitch
Sat May 20, 2017 1:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop
Replies: 567
Views: 89087

Re: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop

Interesting. I don't have any inside knowledge. But there is a consistent picture from multiple 787 threads that suggests Boeing management were firm they wanted to position the 787 as a 767 replacement and not as a 777 competitor, this influencing not just design weight but also fuselage diameter....

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by Stitch
Sat May 20, 2017 12:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X - Updated Information And Developments
Replies: 2250
Views: 104443

Re: Boeing 777X - Updated Information And Developments

The A330 uses single lane slides and dual lane life rafts at door 3 (we have both types in out fleet) so I don't know if that post is factual. It's from a subscriber-only story from Aviation Week. Fair use excerpt: The test was partial because it involved only doors 1 and 3, where Airbus now uses s...

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by Stitch
Sat May 20, 2017 12:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Singapore Airlines to return first five A380s
Replies: 75
Views: 24811

Re: Singapore Airlines to return first five A380s

Oh so ANA opted for twins too did they? Well they did order the 777-9. ;) And there is a belief that ANA was required to take the A380's built and on order for Skymark to secure Airbus' consent to assume control of Skymark's assets (Airbus was the lead creditor for Skymark) and not because ANA had ...

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by Stitch
Sat May 20, 2017 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop
Replies: 567
Views: 89087

Re: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop

There's been no hint that Boeing are looking at a MTOW increase for the 789. They used all the MTOW headroom they had in the original design when they developed the 789. After the big cost blowouts on 787 development and production it's hard to see them spending another $xx billion any time soon on...

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by Stitch
Fri May 19, 2017 11:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X - Updated Information And Developments
Replies: 2250
Views: 104443

Re: Boeing 777X - Updated Information And Developments

The a350 leveraging the a330 exit limit experience is most certainly grandfathering and that term is not limited to an aircraft family. The A350 performed evacuation tests in XFW. As zeke noted, it was for Doors 1 and 3 only and was required by Airbus changing the type of escape slide as used on th...

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by Stitch
Fri May 19, 2017 2:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Concorde Why no 1st class?
Replies: 133
Views: 16633

Re: Concorde Why no 1st class?

Was Concorde always full to the end, then? I got the impression from much of what I read that demand was simply not there - and I question whether it was a problem of demand or just a problem of them trying to target a specific audience that was too tough? I've heard that when the Towers went down,...

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by Stitch
Wed May 17, 2017 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska's new interior questions
Replies: 36
Views: 4727

Re: Alaska's new interior questions

flybynight wrote:
I haven't see the DigiPlayer for a while. I was under the impression it had been phased-out. Of course my flights lately have been all west-coast.


That is probably why. They've been on all my transcons.

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by Stitch
Wed May 17, 2017 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska's new interior questions
Replies: 36
Views: 4727

Re: Alaska's new interior questions

flybynight wrote:
8 - Will first class get foot rests


Yes. They look like basic ones based on press photos.

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by Stitch
Wed May 17, 2017 4:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Concorde Why no 1st class?
Replies: 133
Views: 16633

Re: Concorde Why no 1st class?

I also remember the promotional brochures BA used to send: Take the QE2 NYC-UK, stay in the Dorchester Hotel, and return LHR-JFK on Concorde, all for $6999 all in. Took advantage of that offer. I think you could do Concorde both ways for an extra $1000. Wish I could still do it today (with the QM2)...

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by Stitch
Tue May 16, 2017 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop
Replies: 567
Views: 89087

Re: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop

I mean that if u tank up more, u have to make some mods, so Im asking if this mods bring up the OEW? And related to that, if u tank up more, the ZFW has to go down, any assumption how much? Based on what Airbus told Leeham.net, it sounds like the fuel system is identical between the A350-900 and A3...

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by Stitch
Mon May 15, 2017 9:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop
Replies: 567
Views: 89087

Re: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop

ZEDZAG wrote:
By ACAP there is no 270T variant, so did u mean 268 or 272T?


The listed Weight Variants are not the only options available - customers can order custom operating weights (and subsequently change them with the OEM if desired).

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by Stitch
Mon May 15, 2017 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17
Replies: 2686
Views: 822597

Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Looking at a longer flight around 15 hrs the fuel burn does vary between 10.5 and 6.5 which is done at a reduced traffic load to carry the fuel. The traffic load on the longer flight is around 16t less than the shorter one, hence the lower fuel burn per hour nearer the destination. *nods* Thanks! I...

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by Stitch
Mon May 15, 2017 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17
Replies: 2686
Views: 822597

Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

That would be taking my post out of context. I would have not said that is the average for all flights, it would have been over a particular city pair, probably comparing to another type. Your post was average fuel burn numbers for the CX fleet broken down by type. The 744 and 773 numbers included ...

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by Stitch
Mon May 15, 2017 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17
Replies: 2686
Views: 822597

Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

I should add, anyone suggesting that a 77W will burn less than 9t hr average on a long haul flight is dreaming, that is the sort of fuel burn a 77W will have at around 75% of MTOW, on a 11:22 flight a 77W would burn on average 9.3 t/hr. the A350-1000 6.9 t/hr, a 25.9% reduction. With respect, when ...

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by Stitch
Mon May 15, 2017 12:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Japanese Manufacturers Want In On Next Boeing Jet
Replies: 29
Views: 4274

Re: Japanese Manufacturers Want In On Next Boeing Jet

Is Boeing being cagey, or do they just not know what the market really wants and how they want to address it? Possibly a bit of both. And whether Boeing goes with a narrowbody or widebody will also likely play a major role, along with the primary construction material. If the "797" is an ...

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by Stitch
Sun May 14, 2017 3:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B767s - a dying breed?
Replies: 30
Views: 5103

Re: B767s - a dying breed?

I believe they are still going strong in Japan. JAL has Late 2011 models flying on domestic routes. They'll be around until at least 2030 i'd of thought. If Boeing could make the B747 SRs, the D and others for the Japanese Market, what is stopping them from making some sort of crazy passenger cramm...

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by Stitch
Sun May 14, 2017 3:05 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 747-8 Project Ozark
Replies: 14
Views: 2196

Re: 747-8 Project Ozark

Just the weight reductions, which amount to I believe some 10,000 pounds by last year compared to the first builds, which were some 5000 to 6000 pounds heavier than design spec. So the latest builds are a fair bit lighter than design spec. The A&P in me needs to know: What sort of things has Bo...

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by Stitch
Sun May 14, 2017 12:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did Lufthansa reject that single 747-8i?
Replies: 11
Views: 7358

Re: Why did Lufthansa reject that single 747-8i?

Hi all! I was just reading the AZ thread and it was mentioned about the LH 747-8i that they rejected. What was the reasoning if anyone knows? I tried to search on the forum but it was a lost cause. LN 1435 was the first 747-8 built for Lufthansa and was used extensively for testing of the type, inc...

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by Stitch
Sat May 13, 2017 11:28 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 747-8 Project Ozark
Replies: 14
Views: 2196

Re: 747-8 Project Ozark

Main focus of Project Ozark were additional weight reductions (from a couple hundred to a couple thousand pounds) and lower drag side-of-body fairings in place of the current design. Did they implement both of them, or only the weight reductions? Just the weight reductions, which amount to I believ...

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by Stitch
Sat May 13, 2017 10:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B767s - a dying breed?
Replies: 30
Views: 5103

Re: B767s - a dying breed?

The Frankentanker is mix of -200 fuselage, -300IGW wing and center section, -400 cockpit with a bunch of engineering changes for the AAR mission. It is a mutt. That was the RFP submitted for the 2008 KC-X competition. The 767-2C, which is the civilian base for the KC-46A, is a 767-200ER airframe wi...

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by Stitch
Sat May 13, 2017 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B767s - a dying breed?
Replies: 30
Views: 5103

Re: B767s - a dying breed?

callumconroydub wrote:
So, they wouldn't essentially be a 'must-have' aircraft then?


It's an excellent freighter, but there are better options for passenger transport.

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by Stitch
Sat May 13, 2017 6:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B767s - a dying breed?
Replies: 30
Views: 5103

Re: B767s - a dying breed?

The 767-300 costs about the same per hour to fly as the 767-200 and the larger passenger and cargo capacity generates more revenue per trip.

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by Stitch
Sat May 13, 2017 6:28 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 747-8 Project Ozark
Replies: 14
Views: 2196

Re: 747-8 Project Ozark

Main focus of Project Ozark were additional weight reductions (from a couple hundred to a couple thousand pounds) and lower drag side-of-body fairings in place of the current design.

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by Stitch
Fri May 12, 2017 11:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK A380 Weight Restricted out of SFO?
Replies: 3
Views: 1408

Re: EK A380 Weight Restricted out of SFO?

The 777-300ER I could see, but not the A380-800 - especially if it's the later deliveries with lower DOW.

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by Stitch
Thu May 11, 2017 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1
Replies: 335
Views: 76749

Re: Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

benbeny wrote:
And how serious it is, exactly?


Sounds like a direct parts replacement.


benbeny wrote:
Does it have a potential to be a catastrophic one, or just a minor flaw only needing more frequent inspection?


No inspections should be necessary as it's just replacing a known/suspected bad part with a known good part.

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by Stitch
Wed May 10, 2017 11:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop
Replies: 567
Views: 89087

Re: Qantas considering 777-8 or A359ULR to replace 744ER's to fly SYD-JFK and SYD-LHR non-stop

Airbus could decide to "merge" the -1000 wing/gear/engines into an A350-900XLR. That was the original (concept) plan back when the A350 was launched. It was referred to as the A350-900R in Airbus materials at the time. However the market for such aircraft proved small and unsuccessful. Wh...

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by Stitch
Sat May 06, 2017 5:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus And Boeing 2017 Orders
Replies: 159
Views: 37947

Re: Airbus And Boeing 2017 Orders

[That's logical. A young airline which has only 20 A320s start flying international with a start order of 50 777X. :banghead: Neither Tata nor SIA are that crazy. SIA does have 20 777-9 on order so they seem to have faith in the type. As such, feeling it could be a fit for Vistara may not be insane...

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