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by MIflyer12
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Angola Owes Foreign Airlines $500 Million
Replies: 7
Views: 1317

Re: Angola Owes Foreign Airlines $500 Million

EK dropped DT Management contract because of this and constant meddling by the Government. A pity really, Angola desperately needs to build some credibility. I believe SA is in the same boat, unable to repatriate cash back to JNB. Just float the currencies, it works out in the end. Without paying t...

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by MIflyer12
Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Air Lines Network Thread 2018
Replies: 113
Views: 7887

Re: Delta Air Lines Network Thread 2018

Varsity1 wrote:
Word on the street is delta will start directly capacity dumping on the transatlantic LCC routes. Blood in the water at Norwegian.


From where is Delta's capacity to dump coming?

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by MIflyer12
Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:13 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: If the industry didn't consolidate, who would've survived?
Replies: 22
Views: 2271

Re: If the industry didn't consolidate, who would've survived?

As usual with "what ifs" discussions it's always personal opinions, so here's mine, for what it's worth.. I suppose that easily ALL airlines you list could have happily & healthily survived, provided they adapted to the ever changing market dynamics. This begs the questions for me: wh...

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by MIflyer12
Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no AA at ECP?
Replies: 15
Views: 3334

Re: Why no AA at ECP?

Maybe AA will change its approach, but people from DFW don't go to ECP to party (there are driving destinations like South Padre), and the same with Miami and CLT.

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by MIflyer12
Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus offers China Industrial Partnership for A380 Programme
Replies: 123
Views: 16883

Re: Airbus offers China Industrial Partnership for A380 Programme

Having done decades work in tech transfer deals, I can tell you the PRC partner wants all the documentation, and unlimited domestic rights, for anything the PRC partner manufactures. That's why KTX and Shinkansen builders refused JVs for the PRC's high speed rail system. If the deal is limited to i...

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by MIflyer12
Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will AS, DL, UA, WN, or F9 add nonstop service from CLT to destinations west of SLC?
Replies: 34
Views: 2710

Re: Will AS, DL, UA, WN, or F9 add nonstop service from CLT to destinations west of SLC?

Next year, I'm considering Chile. For some bizarre idiotic reason, I'll get AS points on the AA DFW-SCL flight, but not the SEA-DFW segment. You can thank the U.S. Department of Justice for that. The partnership with AA isn't over, but it is definitely watered down from what it once was. AS chose t...

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by MIflyer12
Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Residual value of aircraft after 25 years in service? Case Norwegian
Replies: 3
Views: 1207

Re: Residual value of aircraft after 25 years in service? Case Norwegian

Lots of carriers have write downs of parts or aircraft when subfleets are terminated. If it's systemic and material, that's something for the auditors and equity listing party to investigate.

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by MIflyer12
Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Airlines Complaints Down, More Flights On Time Than American Or United
Replies: 19
Views: 2586

Re: Spirit Airlines Complaints Down, More Flights On Time Than American Or United

I don't know why the OP, much less a Forbes article, relied on one month of data. Sustain the performance - then it's a success story.

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by MIflyer12
Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will DL have YYZ-SEA?
Replies: 34
Views: 2952

Re: When will DL have YYZ-SEA?

If DL were to start this route in the future, I think the CSeries would probably be the right aircraft. The fact that AC only runs E190s on YYZ-SEA while they run 320s, 321s, and even 789s to the other major cities on the West Cost (with higher frequency, no less) speaks to the difference in demand...

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by MIflyer12
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta adds SEA-IAD
Replies: 47
Views: 7148

Re: Delta adds SEA-IAD

Going to take business away from United. That lone flight is not going to be a huge impact. They go 4 a day perhaps but UA has connections inbound and destination traffic for the most part outbound from IAD. DL is just the opposite. No one is taking DL to SAV or JAX via IAD but there are UA custome...

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by MIflyer12
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM
Replies: 80
Views: 11419

Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

*DL SEA-IAD JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 *DL SEA-IND JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 *DL SEA-MCI JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 I think they were waiting for the A350 because it cut capacity on their East Coast Asia ops and now they can afford to shift some traffic to SEA. It's pr...

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by MIflyer12
Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM
Replies: 80
Views: 11419

Re: OAG Changes 1/14/2018: DL Adds SEA-IAD/IND/MCI, Expands in BOS; AA Reduces STT/SXM

"Agree with all of that. I think AA has no business in BOS-PIT (literally)." AA has a very strong frequent flyer base in PIT that it acquired from US Airways. AA also has a pretty good ff base in BOS. As long as fares stay at a profitable level, I think AA will be fine. AA FF base in PIT?...

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by MIflyer12
Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B6 Worst Airline in the USA?
Replies: 106
Views: 14078

Re: B6 Worst Airline in the USA?

I think the main issue is the title they used (general best/worst airline) versus their actual rankings which are perfectly valid metrics for looking at airlines. People need to be careful of what metrics they use with regard to on-time and completed flights. Just look at weather in the northeast a...

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by MIflyer12
Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B6 Worst Airline in the USA?
Replies: 106
Views: 14078

Re: B6 Worst Airline in the USA?

Those metrics are for one month. A good weather month. A low traffic month. Post the stats at JFK and BOS for the year. Then we will have a real discussion. At JFK, for the period 10/2016 - 11/2017: B6 - 71.15 % on time; 3.06% cancel AA - 74.51% on time; 1.78% cancel DL - 78.29% on time; 1.07% canc...

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by MIflyer12
Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL: Delay of C-Series Will Be Solved by Extending Other Aircraft
Replies: 45
Views: 10782

Re: DL: Delay of C-Series Will Be Solved by Extending Other Aircraft

Bombardier's CS series 100 and the following are now owned by Airbus and being integrated into Airbus series of aircraft. This deal won't close until late 2018 at the earliest...maybe later...and maybe never. That's the thing. The deal requires anti-trust approvals. Any of the required approving en...

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by MIflyer12
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kenya Airways announces daily non-stop flights to JFK
Replies: 81
Views: 12184

Re: Kenya Airways announces daily non-stop flights to JFK

What you are seeing is not negativity, but skepticism about the overtly ambitious approach. Everybody's happy for KQ's ambitions, any new service from Africa to North America is welcomed. 95k US visitors to Kenya plus ample business traffic that routes through various European hubs. Maybe daily is ...

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by MIflyer12
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B6 Worst Airline in the USA?
Replies: 106
Views: 14078

Re: B6 Worst Airline in the USA?

When you truly compare apples to apples, you see that B6 is actually pretty much on par with the others at JFK and BOS, at least for the month of October which is the most recent month available. Is there room to improve? Absolutely. For JetBlue and every other airline in the country. It's just unf...

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by MIflyer12
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DELTA announces 2017 profit $5.5 Billion USD
Replies: 61
Views: 11452

Re: DELTA announces 2017 profit $5.5 Billion USD

IPFreely wrote:
ilovelamp wrote:
SuperTwin wrote:
$5.5B Holy god. This has to be the most profitable year for any airline in the history of modern aviation.


...and yet airlines like Alitalia still exist making zilch.


They made $6.1B in 2016.


And American Airlines made $7.6 billion in 2015.


Yes, and AA dropped to $2.68 billion in 2016.

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by MIflyer12
Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kenya Airways announces daily non-stop flights to JFK
Replies: 81
Views: 12184

Re: Kenya Airways announces daily non-stop flights to JFK

This is great news for east Africa! utting aside the profitability versus flying code shares via europe for a second - this is a much better option for East African business people - CDG:AMS:LHR are seriously out of the way (8 hours flying due north before turning left You need to play around with ...

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by MIflyer12
Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: U.S. Dept of Commerce backs Boeing in dispute with Bombardier
Replies: 1311
Views: 81879

Re: Canada files WTO complaint vs US over Boeing CSeries trade complaint

Who would ever have thought the US not following their own WTO obligations. How many times have we seen that. The rate of U.S. wins and losses in WTO disputes is pretty symmetrical. “When the United States has been a complainant (as it has in 114 of 522 WTO disputes over 22 years — more than any ot...

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by MIflyer12
Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska "Beyond" problems, Seattle Times finally catches on
Replies: 125
Views: 20195

Re: Alaska "Beyond" problems, Seattle Times finally catches on

Please keep in mind, the Seattle Times interviewed 10 employees out of 23,000. That is .043% of employees. You probably would have a similar amount of disgruntled employees at Santa’s Workshop. I have to complement you on how you always take the HIGH ROAD. I am pretty certain you work for DL., if n...

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by MIflyer12
Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: WW to BDL
Replies: 36
Views: 4325

Re: Rumor: WW to BDL

stlgph wrote:
Not far fetched. They know their markets and the response to their service in the Boston, Newark, and soon JFK areas. BDL is right smack dab in the middle.


That means they'd be competing with their own flights, to the extent that BDL catchment flyers will travel to NYC or BOS for TATL flights.

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by MIflyer12
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta at SEA, BOS, and RDU
Replies: 159
Views: 12685

Re: Delta at SEA, BOS, and RDU

Alaska probably has about one-third more seats out of SEA than Delta. Does anyone have the numbers? In terms of passengers (not seats), AS has 50% market share and DL has 21% market share in SEA. So it’s not 1/3 more, it’s 2.5 times more. But there is no legal or technical definition of a “hub”. An...

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by MIflyer12
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta at SEA, BOS, and RDU
Replies: 159
Views: 12685

Re: Delta at SEA, BOS, and RDU

Alaska probably has about one-third more seats out of SEA than Delta. Does anyone have the numbers? In terms of passengers (not seats), AS has 50% market share and DL has 21% market share in SEA. So it’s not 1/3 more, it’s 2.5 times more. But there is no legal or technical definition of a “hub”. An...

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by MIflyer12
Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG: 2017 Most Punctual Airlines and Airports
Replies: 31
Views: 4790

Re: OAG: 2017 Most Punctual Airlines and Airports

It's answered in the second line of LAXintl's post: based on number of departures. Qantas has relatively large gauge and long stage length helping Revenue Passenger Miles (or km) but departure count may not be high.

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by MIflyer12
Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest orders more 737 Max 8s and defers 737 Max 7s
Replies: 105
Views: 15099

Re: Southwest orders more 737 Max 8s and defers 737 Max 7s

There are SWA routes to and from some of the smaller markets served by Southwest Airlines where the 737-800 and 737 MAX 8 are too big and where the 737-700, 737 MAX 7, or mainline aircraft slightly smaller than the 737-700 are a better fit than the 737-800, 737 MAX 8, and larger planes. Southwest w...

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by MIflyer12
Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Value of an all-weather hub
Replies: 44
Views: 6332

Re: Value of an all-weather hub

DTW was experiencing one hour flight delays for deicing at a slow point in the schedule (mid afternoon) on 12/24. I was in it. There is no such thing as an all-weather busy hub airport that functions as if without weather. If one recognizes that weather is 'short-term changes in atmosphere', LAX doe...

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by MIflyer12
Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2018
Replies: 57
Views: 7590

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment - 2018

Not sure if this is the best place or not, but what is the 2018 status/plans for the MD88 & MD90 fleets. I know there are quite a few of each (say ~40x 88s and ~20x 90s) that are slated to retire this year. I don't remember off-hand the specific #'s or what the year-end fleet totals will be. DL...

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by MIflyer12
Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will Hawaiian Airlines ever expand to include more destinations in the eastern US?
Replies: 69
Views: 7222

Re: Will Hawaiian Airlines ever expand to include more destinations in the eastern US?

HA also gets its in flight products from Coca Cola. Maybe it should rotate through ATL since it's Coke's headquarters. DL doesn’t do their A330 C-checks in ATL. ;) I would assume as NWQ was the A330 operator that Delta took over that all C checks would be done by MSP where the ops were already at. ...

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by MIflyer12
Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no IAH-HKG on UA or CX?
Replies: 53
Views: 5633

Re: Why no IAH-HKG on UA or CX?

IAH is unique in the variety of airlines/destinations it has, but has a glaring exception: HKG. NRT, PEK, ICN, TPE, and SIN are already served, but not HKG. IAH gets good coverage from UA and its partners, but I must say I'm surprised HKG is not served yet. Will IAH ever see CX or IAH-HKG from UA? ...

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by MIflyer12
Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/5/2017: AA Adds LGA-PWM, Did AA Lease More DCA slots?; AS/F9 Mexico Cuts
Replies: 53
Views: 9101

Re: OAG Changes 11/5/2017: AA Adds LGA-PWM, Did AA Lease More DCA slots?; AS/F9 Mexico Cuts

DL SEA-MCO APR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.3>0.9 Two weeks ago it was one flight reduced. Last week it was 4 more reductions. And this week yet another cut. For an airline that says they're committed to growth in SEA, it looks like a slow and steady reduction is in process. A Delta infographic from Jan. '17 show...

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by MIflyer12
Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 948
Views: 703556

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

It will "likely" be for 20 according to Leeham. https://leehamnews.com/2017/11/03/emirates-likely-order-new-a380s-dubai-air-show/#more-25251 It's been demonstrated that the operator list for A380s is pretty short (relative to 744/777/A330), and, outside of Emirates and SQ, those operators...

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by MIflyer12
Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Piedmont Airlines Sets the Timetable to End All Dash 8 Service
Replies: 46
Views: 6779

Re: Piedmont Airlines Sets the Timetable to End All Dash 8 Service

The props aversion is largely a US thing. In Canada alone, there are over 100 Dash 8s/Q400s in operation. Sorry, but Canada has a lot of very thin airport pairs, lack of highways in the north, and a dearth of domestic competition. Passengers accept props because there's nothing better. Americans wi...

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by MIflyer12
Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 14934

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

I think AS should move in and start some new routes from DEN Alaska is adding a seventh daily SEA flight next summer. AS has PDX on their radar as more E175s come online too. VX was on the verge of announcing LAX prior to the merger. If AS is smart (and can find the pilots), they need to add PDX, S...

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by MIflyer12
Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 14934

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

jubguy3 wrote:
Hubris in action


Are you reacting to some of the new destinations proposed in this thread, or the size of the gate expansion?

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by MIflyer12
Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest wants DL and AS to share at DAL
Replies: 54
Views: 6576

Re: Southwest wants DL and AS to share at DAL

gr8slvrflt wrote:
Delta and Alaska can add flights at DFW. Southwest can’t. To me, that’s the bottom line here.


That position ignores decades-old DOT policy demanding carrier access to promote competition. That DL and AS can expand at DFW isn't even relevant.

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by MIflyer12
Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates
Replies: 105
Views: 14934

Re: New Routes From Denver: What To Do With 39 New Gates

I agree with those that think the East needs more flights from DEN. Once you add those flights from the East though, you can probably afford to add some more flights West as well for the higher number of pax. However, I think at least 5-6 of these gates should be used as breathing room for IRROPS. ...

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by MIflyer12
Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread
Replies: 517
Views: 76808

Re: Delta A350 Future Routes

So my question is, would we see A350s being introduced to other big European markets out of Detroit, such as Paris (CDG) and London (LHR)... In the absence of public information, try reasoning. Why would they? I mean, why would they use their most fuel efficient long-haul aircraft on shorter routes...

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by MIflyer12
Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: United close to acquire 30-40 used A319/A320
Replies: 91
Views: 22318

Re: Rumor: United close to acquire 30-40 used A319/A320

Is not everybody focused on making a point? If I talk about new frames, I talk about new frames, not end of line bargains. But even end of line bargains come with greatly reduced service cost compared to old frames. The question is what is your emphasis, CAPEX or running costs. Today or future. No,...

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by MIflyer12
Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Doug Parker on United's Lack of a Southeast Hub
Replies: 196
Views: 20459

Re: Doug Parker on United's Lack of a Southeast Hub

First of all I do not think United has to have a SE hub to be successful. [/quote] I don't think it's been well established that the Southeast could support three superhubs (MIA isn't the SE). If UA established a 250-flight hub at BNA (very ambitious, but not impossible) it would get eaten alive by...

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by MIflyer12
Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will DL base any A350's at SEA?
Replies: 32
Views: 4302

Re: Will DL base any A350's at SEA?

Running a utilization flight the other direction from XXX isn't the same as basing aircraft at XXX.

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by MIflyer12
Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United's future at Dulles
Replies: 72
Views: 11455

Re: United's future at Dulles

UA's primary reason for lack of expnsion at IAD could indeed be due to their scarcity of narrowbody mainline jets that are more urgently needed at other larger hubs. I don't follow the logic of UA having this multi-year scarcity of aircraft. Look at the rate of deliveries to AA and WN. If UA wanted...

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by MIflyer12
Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Doug Parker on United's Lack of a Southeast Hub
Replies: 196
Views: 20459

Re: Doug Parker on United's Lack of a Southeast Hub

This brings up a more general discussion on the cost per enplaned passenger at each major airport. It seems as United faces a structural issue in its network operating major hubs out of the most expensive in the country while not reaping the benefits of a "cheap" hub. Are we now expecting...

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by MIflyer12
Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: will Air Transat ever go back to HNL ?
Replies: 19
Views: 2133

Re: will Air Transat ever go back to HNL ?

From Western Canada, WS and AC/Rouge have Hawai'i well-covered... though I can't tell you how much I'd love to see AS or HA in YYC! AS is happy to fly you YYC-HNL/OGG/KOA/LIH - you'll just need to connect in SEA. That is a primary role of hubs - aggregating traffic to make more destinations possible.

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by MIflyer12
Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WestJet shifts 737 MAX 9 order to MAX 10
Replies: 56
Views: 8793

Re: WestJet shifts 737 MAX 9 order to MAX 10

Sooner787 wrote:
Makes you wonder if WN would ever consider the MAX 10? Like someone else noted,
the jump in capacity fron the 8 to 9 ian't that much, but the MAX 10 might interest WN?


There was a very recent thread on just that topic.

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by MIflyer12
Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: United close to acquire 30-40 used A319/A320
Replies: 91
Views: 22318

Re: Rumor: United close to acquire 30-40 used A319/A320

I does not have to be a all over smart strategy, but the aim in an USA corporation is next quarter and next year results. If the bet goes wrong, perhaps oil price up, the airlines sit on old, rather expensive to run, noisy and polluting frames. How is a 15-year old A319 inferior to a brand-new 319C...

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by MIflyer12
Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA orders additional E175s
Replies: 37
Views: 6209

Re: AA orders additional E175s

Interesting that AA chose to pause 175 deliveries for most of 2018 when they are nowhere near the large RJ scope limit (266 CR9+175 YE 2017, 40% of ~800 mainline narrowbody =320). I guess low fuel made E-140s profitable again for a while. Maybe that, or continued use of the E140s +145s was part of ...

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by MIflyer12
Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How much trouble is Alaska Air in?
Replies: 91
Views: 20345

Re: How much trouble is Alaska Air in?

IF all union proposals were denied... To me (as a former Union member) that means that the Union's position were in fairy tale land and not near reality. They should have gotten at least 40% if their proposals were based closer to reality. It may not be fair to the pilots... but, it's their union a...

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by MIflyer12
Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines to close St. Louis pilot base in September 2018
Replies: 48
Views: 10414

Re: American Airlines to close St. Louis pilot base in September 2018

This was only a matter of time once STL was dehubbed Given the seniority they had to have to hold a job at TWA's end-of-life, plus the ~17 years since AA bought the TWA assets, on average these remaining pilots must have pretty good seniority. They should be able to hold a line in any pilot base fr...

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by MIflyer12
Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing may consider restarting 767 pax model production
Replies: 839
Views: 160454

Re: Boeing may consider restarting 767 pax model production

It depends on if you talk about trip fuel burn or fuel burn per seat. Fuel burn per seat is about 20 % better on the 787. So financing is the only way the 767 can compete on any route with the 787-8. More acquisition cost than financing, really. How was that ever in doubt? It's the same manner in w...

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