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by MIflyer12
Sun May 19, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM
Replies: 43
Views: 5473

Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

YYZORD wrote:
Try going to LGB from YYZ, no easy connection where there are needs to be two stops with either DL or AA.


That's why people fly YYZ-LAX non-stop and drive 23 miles on the 405 and the 710.

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by MIflyer12
Sun May 19, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Greater Seattle Airport
Replies: 73
Views: 5989

Re: New Greater Seattle Airport

Alaska could free up so much space by routing the ANC based connecting pax through Portland. What fraction of AS traffic at SEA is to Alaska? Is it even thirty-five flights a day, averaged across the year? Mouse nuts. Those passengers will be happy going to an airport with less O&D and weaker c...

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 18, 2019 9:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Contour possible EAT-OAK
Replies: 15
Views: 1400

Re: Contour possible EAT-OAK

There's service to O&D markets, there's service to international hubs, and there's 2x weekly seasonal service (like what Allegiant might provide). If fares are too cheap for SkyWest I don't see how a hub codeshare/interline service can be expected. EAT-OAK can be nothing but an O&D route.

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 18, 2019 7:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: AS trying to get B6
Replies: 68
Views: 10660

Re: AS trying to get B6

Mikeer50 wrote:
Based on the Virgin sale B6 would be closer to 11 Billion.


B6' market cap is $5.36 Billion. Why would anybody think a 100% premium is appropriate?

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 18, 2019 3:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Are Airbus and Boeing closer than we think?
Replies: 16
Views: 3679

Re: Are Airbus and Boeing closer than we think?

airboeingbus wrote:
Any thoughts?


I think your understanding of U.S. antitrust law is wholly inadequate, as is your knowledge of the typical training in such matters that is regularly given to execs of U.S. firms.

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 18, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN and DFW
Replies: 36
Views: 4573

Re: WN and DFW

A somewhat related question. In LA we have WN at ONT, BUR, LGB, SNA, and LAX. That's the big international airport. Why isn't WN also at ORD or DFW in addition to MDW and DAL? What is different about LA? Are they avoiding a bloodbath at the other two because they just didn't enter quickly enough? T...

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 18, 2019 1:13 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: LH Group overcharging PAX with Award Tickets?
Replies: 7
Views: 1123

Re: LH Group overcharging PAX with Award Tickets?

I am booking a Star Alliance Award Ticket from Berlin to Chicago ! Flying roundtrip Business Class I just have to pay for Taxes ! Here is what I got: TXL-EWR-ORD-EWR-TXL ( all UA) 9,90€ Tax TXL-WAW-ORD-WAW-TXL ( all LO) 170,58€ Tax TXL-ARN-ORD-ORD-TXL ( all SK) 58,13€ TAX TXL-FRA-ORD-FRA-TXL ( all ...

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 18, 2019 1:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?
Replies: 80
Views: 7929

Re: Will DL return to Hong Kong anytime soon?

don't know why they kept on failing in HKG while AA as a late entrance can be successful in LAX & DTW. They have relatively good services and product images in HKG (compared to other US3). Are you not aware of AA's partner Cathay Pacific? DL to HKG is O&D. AA has lots on onward connections.

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 18, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 704
Views: 114913

Re: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots

I wouldn't rule out a return of DTW-NGO-MNL. Too little of the big U.S.-MNL demand is east of DTW. The only hubs worth trying for U.S. carriers are LAX/SFO/SEA - and nobody's trying, so that says something. The business ties are heavily West Coast, too. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/filip...

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 18, 2019 1:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: American Airlines To Bring Back Seatback IFEs On Domestic Aircraft
Replies: 138
Views: 14022

Re: Rumor: American Airlines To Bring Back Seatback IFEs On Domestic Aircraft

I think that maybe AA has realized that their margins (and profits) are suffering because they thought the consumer wo uld fly them and pay whatever no matter what their product was. DL offers a better experience product both soft and hard and it shows in the profits. Even AS gives out tablets whil...

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 18, 2019 12:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: American Airlines To Bring Back Seatback IFEs On Domestic Aircraft
Replies: 138
Views: 14022

Re: Rumor: American Airlines To Bring Back Seatback IFEs On Domestic Aircraft

Forget IFE...drop the bag fees and I'll care. That ship has sailed... and it's not coming back. The First Fees It was May 2008 when American Airlines announced it would begin charging a fee for all checked-bags, the first major U.S. carrier to do so. Smaller, discount carriers such as Allegiant and...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 17, 2019 11:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bombardier CRJ, upgrade or sunset product line? Re-engine after all?
Replies: 24
Views: 5198

Re: Bombardier CRJ, upgrade or sunset product line? Re-engine after all?

The E175-E2 is the future of the regional jet market. What's left of E2 performance after they make it AA/DL/UA scope compliant? If they don't make it current scope-compliant it's all but DOA, because it's very, very unlikely that scope can be changed cheaply, and there won't be enough of a worldwi...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 17, 2019 3:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham News: Mitsubishi appears to be well positioned to take over the RJ market
Replies: 136
Views: 17035

Re: Leeham News: Mitsubishi appears to be well positioned to take over the RJ market

Scope clauses - chicken and egg. The rest of the world doesn't have them - and the rest of the world has very few regional jets. WIthout artificially low pilot costs, RJ are niche - which is why you see more turboprops instead (better economics for short thin routes) The use of 2-class RJs by U.S. ...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 17, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada in exclusive talks to buy Air Transat
Replies: 165
Views: 20717

Re: Air Canada in exclusive talks to buy Air Transat

Would that be legally possible to keep Transat AT as an independent subsidiary - in order to avoid the pilot seniority list integration? You give up a lot of operating synergies if doing so: pilots, FAs, aircraft utilization. It's easy enough to argue that Air Transat is too small to operate indepe...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?
Replies: 30
Views: 7411

Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

A380 has set a new standard of airport ground equipment for VLA. Future VLA will be designed in a way to meet the airport infrastructures that is currently made for A380. Wrong. Aircraft are designed for (perceived) carrier needs, not existing infrastructure. Otherwise there never would have been t...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 17, 2019 12:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 81
Views: 11653

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2019

I’m curious what additional international adds we’ll see in BOS... I won't assume that intl adds from BOS will be TATL. They cover the obvious spots given fleet (and fleet on order). I don't see them copying the 2000s strategy of CO from EWR and trying tertiary airports from BOS. (BOS-BRS! hah hah)...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 17, 2019 12:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 704
Views: 114913

Re: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots

PDX? What a waste. No connecting traffic on either end and Delta has cut the route twice in the past. It should have been saved for JAL or ANA. DL runs so many flights between SEA and PDX, plus the fairly short drive time between the two, that PDX-HND is effectively a surrogate additional SEA-HND f...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 16, 2019 11:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 704
Views: 114913

Re: US-Japan agree on additional Haneda slots; DOT to allocate

It looks like DL got its wish and this is the end of NRT-SIN/MNL! I wouldn't go that far yet. DL is currently looking at serving them non-stop from SEA. Got a source for that? SEA-SIN strikes me as wholly improbable with SQ on the route. IMHO the reconfigged 777/77L and 359s all have too many premi...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 16, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does BA (and others) decide to use 20+ year old planes on specific popular routes?
Replies: 53
Views: 10836

Re: Why does BA (and others) decide to use 20+ year old planes on specific popular routes?

Newer planes (787/A350) have a much lower cabin altitude levels. This can make a significant difference in port flight fatigue and is something BA and others ought to consider. Do you think passengers book on maintained altitude and are willing to pay a premium for it? Care to point to a study that...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 16, 2019 9:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019
Replies: 42
Views: 4749

Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Chaostheory wrote:
It's worth mentioning that a320 and 737-800 lease rates have reached parity at the moment but are probably going to trend higher for the 320. This holds true for the neo and max models too...


Why is that?

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 16, 2019 3:34 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Climate Change - Is aviation heading for a slump?
Replies: 94
Views: 7134

Re: Climate Change - Is aviation heading for a slump?

This isn't a climate change debate, it's a discussion on whether possible climate change may impact aviation. If this turns into a non aviation debate over the existence of climate change, the thread will be locked, and users may be warned or banned for not staying on topic. Let's not forget that t...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 16, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?
Replies: 7
Views: 1972

Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

AECM wrote:
If Delta want to fly to SIN/SYD from SEA they will either use the A359 or B777


And they won't want to fly SEA-SYD (LAX-SYD is a vastly bigger market) nor SEA-SIN (not with SQ on it) so the question is moot.

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by MIflyer12
Wed May 15, 2019 8:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Express Jet (IAH) having crew staffing issues?
Replies: 21
Views: 3552

Re: Express Jet (IAH) having crew staffing issues?

INFINITI329 wrote:
JBo wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:
(ExpressJet fit this classification before it was bought by United this year).


United didn't buy ExpressJet. A company called ManaAir, LLC bought it from SkyWest last December.


ManaAir is just a shell company for United.


Everything I can find points to United as a minority owner of ManaAir.

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by MIflyer12
Wed May 15, 2019 4:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle is Vancouver's greatest threat to Trans-Pacific airport hub supremacy
Replies: 82
Views: 10473

Re: Seattle is Vancouver's greatest threat to Trans-Pacific airport hub supremacy

I don't find it unrealistic that travelers would drive from SEA or PDX to YVR if the fares justify it. Folks from BOS drive to JFK all the time to travel internationally despite the wealth of options from BOS and the 4 hour drive to JFK. For some who aren't traveling for work a significantly more e...

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by MIflyer12
Wed May 15, 2019 12:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WestJet acquired by Onex in $5-billion deal
Replies: 96
Views: 17339

Re: WestJet acquired by Onex in $5-billion deal

Westjet Encore is likely safe. If provides feeder traffic to mainline. Until we hear more, I bet they will get rid of Swoop and focus on their mainline product (business class). Maybe this will steer WS away from the Euro business class plan and create something more substantial to compete with AC....

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by MIflyer12
Tue May 14, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business insider: Boeing 737-800 is “older version of MAX”
Replies: 104
Views: 16092

Re: Business insider: Boeing 737-800 is “older version of MAX”

Why post here, why not email the publication in question and point out the error?Journalists aren't experts in every field imaginable. They do their research, but often get the details wrong. It's normal. Life goes on... They're supposed to be knowledgeable in the fields in which they publish, and ...

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by MIflyer12
Tue May 14, 2019 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle is Vancouver's greatest threat to Trans-Pacific airport hub supremacy
Replies: 82
Views: 10473

Re: Seattle is Vancouver's greatest threat to Trans-Pacific airport hub supremacy

I don't think the article framed the comparison correctly. How many YVR Transborder pax also were TPAC? How many Canadian TPAC pax did YVR lose to SEA? (Not a big fraction, I would guess.) Due to geography YVR is always going to be Canada's primary TPAC hub. SEA is competing as much (if not more) wi...

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by MIflyer12
Tue May 14, 2019 5:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Transat is suspending YLW services to Mexico Winter 2019
Replies: 16
Views: 2294

Re: Air Transat is suspending YLW services to Mexico Winter 2019

How so? There are 738s leaving at sea level on 80F days operating that distance routinely. They may not be as densely configured as AirTransat 738s but they can operate with way more than 114 occupied seats. (See AA BOS-LAX.)

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by MIflyer12
Tue May 14, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Leeham News: Mitsubishi appears to be well positioned to take over the RJ market
Replies: 136
Views: 17035

Re: Leeham News: Mitsubishi appears to be well positioned to take over the RJ market

Neither side will budge, so I see no reason to discuss changes to scope. In perspective, the E-170/175: https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-e170.htm 750 in service. 513 in US scope clause airlines plus 26 at Horizon (no 86,000 lb limit). Republic: 190 SkyWest 149 Mess 60 Envoy 58 Compass 5...

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 11, 2019 10:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN announces service to ITO
Replies: 86
Views: 11754

Re: WN announces service to ITO

Antarius wrote:
Hilo is also the second largest city in Hawaii.


Air demand in Hawaii is driven by tourism, not local population. That the Hilo MSA (all of the Big Island) has 185K people isn't irrelevant. KOA and ITO didn't handle 4 million passengers last year by that 185K flying frequently.

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 11, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta & WestJet Joint Venture Future Routes
Replies: 62
Views: 5522

Re: Delta & WestJet Joint Venture Future Routes

Does the WS YYC-AUS feed into the DL network? I was surprised to see the addition, even twice weekly seasonal. Why were you surprised? YYC-AUS was one of the largest unserved US routes from YYC, and AUS to Canada demand has been relatively untapped relative to the size of the market from AUS to Can...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 10, 2019 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta & WestJet Joint Venture Future Routes
Replies: 62
Views: 5522

Re: Delta & WestJet Joint Venture Future Routes

DL or WS SEA-YYZ (possibility with A220, tech city and trans pacific hub) DL LGA-YYZ (increase to current WS flights on that route as mentioned there will be increase on that route once JV is approved) DL or WS YYZ-ORD (mentioned before to add flights on this route once JV is approved) DL LAX-YYZ (...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 10, 2019 1:54 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Is Delta truly a one hub airline?
Replies: 71
Views: 9592

Re: Is Delta truly a one hub airline.

While it has large operations at BOS, DTW, JFK, LGA, MSP, SLC and SEA those cities are more set up to capture O/D traffic rather than connecting traffic. The O&D traffic reported for DTW (for example) is all carriers at DTW, not just DL (which obviously is more connecting traffic). DTW and MSP ...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 10, 2019 12:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to LGW, will UA and AA follow?
Replies: 51
Views: 9038

Re: Delta to LGW, will UA and AA follow?

There won't be DL metal at LGW. Any/everything will go via VS. Although I've been waiting for a while for VS to open a competitively priced service to ATL to feed DL connections. BA's service from LHR can be ££££. Maybe the LGW service will be all VS but I wouldn't bet $ on it. The goal of opening ...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 10, 2019 12:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to LGW, will UA and AA follow?
Replies: 51
Views: 9038

Re: Delta to LGW, will UA and AA follow?

I wish Delta would interline (and sell tickets) for connections on some LCCs in LGW. I definitely would use that connection to certain EU beach destinations To an extent, they do - via their Metal Neutral JV with Virgin Atlantic and Worldwide by easyJet. Not strictly a through Ticket, but they'll r...

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by MIflyer12
Fri May 10, 2019 12:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will PDX-MIA/FLL happen?
Replies: 40
Views: 3729

Re: When will PDX-MIA/FLL happen?

Portland is a large city compared to some cities MIA/FLL has destinations to. That should tell you something about the inadequacy of city size/metro size as the sole criterion for whether an airport pair gets service. (Hint: Florida and the Caribbean may not be the first places PDXers think of for ...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 09, 2019 8:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What will replace United's 767’s
Replies: 46
Views: 8460

Re: What will replace United's 767’s

Not to mention the fuel burn this aircraft will have in 2030, I can only imagine the price of oil then. That's correct - you can only imagine. There are no accurate forecasts of oil prices ten years into the future. If you were expecting somebody to say the replacement will be a 321XLR nobody's tak...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 09, 2019 2:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019
Replies: 151
Views: 17903

Re: Southwest Fleet/Network Thread - 2019

Did you miss out on all the cuts because they can't compete in Northeast to FLL market? WN's experiment at FLL is not working out. B6 and NK is sandwiching it. WN is clearly shifting all its focus to BNA in East coast. That's going to be a huge battle with DL. And after the west coast turf war with...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 09, 2019 1:05 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Bigger presence at ORD: UA or AA?
Replies: 38
Views: 5445

Re: Bigger presence at ORD: UA or AA?

It'll be interesting to see who grows bigger in the coming years. No, it's done. Stick a fork in it. Look at the number of years in the past twenty that AA has been bigger than UA at ORD. AA can't grow significantly at ORD because it's not just competing with UA, it's competing with WN at Midway, t...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 09, 2019 1:03 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Bigger presence at ORD: UA or AA?
Replies: 38
Views: 5445

Re: Bigger presence at ORD: UA or AA?

There was a chart on here a few months ago that had airline O&D share. I was surprised to see AA had more share in Chicago than UA, although WN was the O&D leader. I had saved the chart but I have lost it. In terms of Domestic O&D UA and AA are nearly identical to each other according t...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 09, 2019 1:01 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Bigger presence at ORD: UA or AA?
Replies: 38
Views: 5445

Re: Bigger presence at ORD: UA or AA?

AA only flies one daily long haul international flight out of ORD year round, which is LHR. NRT is only 3 weekly UA has NRT, PVG, PEK, HKG, GRU, FRA, MUC, LHR, AMS, BRU. Plus 100+ daily flights per day It is truly shocking how minuscule AA's international footprint at ORD is compared to UA. You nee...

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by MIflyer12
Thu May 09, 2019 12:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Royal Air Maroc Casablanca to Beijing
Replies: 27
Views: 3963

Re: Royal Air Maroc Casablanca to Beijing

There has been HUGE Chinese investments in Africa generally, especially in infrastructure projects. The travel market between China and developing countries in Africa continues to grow, and RAM thinks they can do it better than the competition! I wonder what countries have seen the investment. I be...

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by MIflyer12
Wed May 08, 2019 10:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Admits It Has No Brand Purpose
Replies: 104
Views: 21412

Re: American Airlines Admits It Has No Brand Purpose

What I grasp from this article is that mergers are hard. United and Continental appear to only recently have ironed all the internal kinks out. That's just a rationalization. AA/US are 5 1/2 years beyond the merger and that excuse is worn out. Operationally, too, AA sucked hard before the merger. T...

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by MIflyer12
Wed May 08, 2019 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 767: Fuselage size always limited profitability??
Replies: 85
Views: 9998

Re: Boeing 767: Fuselage size always limited profitability??

Due to relatively narrow fuselage, the 767 only seats 7 across (in economy). This is why SOME 757's have more seating capacity than SOME 767's. So my questions: 1) Is this the ONLY twin-aisle 7 across airplane? 2) In hindsight, would a slightly larger 8-across fuselage design have been smarter? How...

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by MIflyer12
Wed May 08, 2019 11:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian Airlines announces Fukuoka
Replies: 12
Views: 3174

Re: Hawaiian Airlines announces Fukuoka

The DL flights were consistently full, it's just a matter of profitability. Good luck to HA! The difference between DL and HA here is that DL likely had dozens of other potential markets they could re-allocate the 763 to, so HNL-FUK didn't even necessarily have to be losing money for them to cut it...

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by MIflyer12
Tue May 07, 2019 12:51 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 44% say wont take MAX for a year?
Replies: 86
Views: 5690

Re: 44% say wont take MAX for a year?

Link? Survey methodology and participant demographics?

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by MIflyer12
Mon May 06, 2019 11:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Interjet drops 8 routes, focus more on South America
Replies: 11
Views: 2934

Re: Interjet drops 8 routes, focus more on South America

The airline said that route changes will begin on May 11 with the discontinuation of the company’s Mexico City-Aguascalientes flight. Service between Los Angeles, California, and Puerto Vallarta, San José del Cabo and El Bajío will end on June 5, as will the Mexico City-Ciudad Obregón route. Cancún...

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by MIflyer12
Mon May 06, 2019 10:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air New Zealand to JFK?
Replies: 55
Views: 7828

Re: Air New Zealand to JFK?

Fuling wrote:
NZ wouldn't start JFK anyway, they'd go for EWR if they were to go to NYC.


Why? EWR isn't an obvious place to hub to AKL. NZ could just as well take the O&D at JFK. Lufthansa, Turkish, Air China, ANA, Asiana, Austrian, Egyptair, Avianca... all operate from JFK, as do other *A carriers.

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by MIflyer12
Mon May 06, 2019 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: Shutdown
Replies: 1052
Views: 109048

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

E.g., EK to LHR and JFK is only 20% to 30% O&D. Yet there is enough international to international connections to make those routes profitable. Imagine capturing feed from Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, Singapore, and maybe even New Zealand to fill 30% to 60% of a flight to the EU or...

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by MIflyer12
Sat May 04, 2019 1:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future growth of Spirit Airlines in Detroit.
Replies: 26
Views: 3140

Re: Future growth of Spirit Airlines in Detroit.

I'd love to see a leisure traveler PDEW for DTW-RIC. I'm guessing it's single-digits. (I'd love to see a leisure traveler PDEW for DTW-RIC. I'm guessing it's single-digits. (The major tourist attraction Colonial Williamsburg sold 560,000 tickets in 2016. Disney World, 52 million.) I don't see BDL or...

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