The numbers are a few replies up. For 2019, indirect pax per Athens Airport (both ways): New York: 88,000 (doesn't take into account direct passengers on DL, UA, EK) Boston: 77,000 Los Angeles: 70,000 San Francisco: 45,300 Chicago: 42,900 (but was 85,500 in 2018 before AA's ORD-ATH operated) Washin...
Jump to postIsn't a bit of overcapacity on the New York-ATH route during a pandemic time whatwith 2 DL JFK-ATH, 1 AA JFK-ATH, 1 UA EWR-ATH, 1 EK EWR-ATH, it's like 5 daily.. (1) Still no BOS-ATH service, for one thing. (2) AA's PHL-ATH trip is absent most of the Summer. (3) Norwegian Air Shuttle discontinued a...
Jump to postWhy was ATL chosen as the airport to receive the new ATH service rather than BOS? Because ATL is the largest connection point for DL in the US would be my thoughts There is also Florida, too. Not enough business to warrant a nonstop(even seasonal) from TPA/FLL.....but too much to ignore. ATL is the...
Jump to postEthiopian Airlines consolidates its operations in Europe much of its network go to see non-stop flights Brussels, Vienna, Manchester, Marseilla and Milan become all non-stop without any stopover https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289817/ethiopian-airlines-europe-service-changes-from-...
Jump to postWhy don’t they fly nonstop to ADD? Block time is 16:30 for nonstop hence can’t be operated using any of the aircraft in ETs fleet when departing out of ADD. No one has mentioned this as yet but I would like to know what ET is going to do with this 1 freed up B788 not going to IAH anymore during the...
Jump to postEthiopian is so adamant on serving IAH. Clearly, their last 2 attempts have failed, and this 20 hour wait on the ground doesn't seem much better either. I wouldn't be surprised to see it cancelled in a few weeks The last two attempts (at the planning stage) failed because of the ill timed schedules...
Jump to postGreat to see attempt number 3! Is there possible connection opportunity past Houston? Yes there are connection opportunities, but not with UA which is the least cooperative Star alliance member. It will never give any special rate to Ethiopian, even though in this case they are not even a competito...
Jump to postNot any better than the attempted revival of People Express a few years ago. Give it up, and move on.
Jump to postThe press release is so poorly written: The bit about AMS being twice daily but doesn't say from where. It also doesn't say where the CUR service is from and there are other typos (the 46th 767 or do you mean a 46-Polaris seat 767?) This is really embarrassing and looks like it was done by an inter...
Jump to postMy guesses: IAD-WAW. It's the only major *A hub in Europe not served yet from IAD. IAD-PVG (but is China opening slots?) IAD-ICN (does ICN have capacity?) PRG flights from an UA hub (EWR?) could be interesting if they want to compete with AA's recently-announced expansion in Eastern Europe (more PR...
Jump to postOnce again airlines piling on on already over saturated markets. It's time to start thinking outside the box and move into some of the underserved and unserved markets that lack diversity. Air Italy is the only airline to have service from MXP-LAX/SFO and it’s the only Italian city to SFO. DY flies...
Jump to postklm617 wrote:Once again airlines piling on on already over saturated markets. It's time to start thinking outside the box and move into some of the underserved and unserved markets that lack diversity.
Why? They can connect in Amsterdam, or any of the major domestic hubs, all of which have service to PDX. AMS is seasonal, and it was perfect timing that it is back now. As for the major domestic hubs, AA does not have a morning ORD trip until June. UA's EWR trip currently changes time slots, depend...
Jump to posta) I've had to connect in SEA twice this year to get to London, since there is no non-stop out of PDX during the winter. I was lucky in that I arrived mid day and with GE and no checked luggage, there was limited lines. But, the train and all that... YVR is certainly a better transit point for any ...
Jump to postI think the thing that is saving this flight, is that UA did not put a flight into IAH. Otherwise Texas would have been the only major US region without a flight to KEF.
Jump to postAfrica is long, thin routes from the US, and the airports that are likely needing to be served already are. UA's Star partners on the African continent are Egyptair and South African Airways. SA has the daily nonstop on JFK-JNB and Egyptair flies from JFK to CAI and will soon start IAD-CAI as well....
Jump to postStill, the #1 International Route out of SEA is YVR. Way better International Service than SEA - for now. 100% agree. The last two times I've flown to Europe, I made the drive from Portland to YVR because they have way better options and the fares were significantly lower. Flying to Europe out of P...
Jump to postIt isn't any better on the domestic side of SEA, either...….several gates out of commission, and an increased number of "remote"/"hardstand" operations lately.
Jump to postWill one of the major American carriers return to IST in the future? United The airline of "missed opportunities"---don't think it would happen. AA beat them to ORD-ATH. LY beat them to ORD-TLV. They should have resumed the missing SEA-NRT service, but JL beat them there, too. All of whic...
Jump to postWith the volume of growth DEN is experiencing, I have to imagine TK will come eventually, especially since DEN may become UA’s second largest hub. However, TK at DEN is likely a few years off. TK’s biggest US hole right now is DFW and that need to be addressed first. I would think SEA first, over t...
Jump to postWhat's the volume of Middle East and Indian O&D to/from Denver? O&D from nearby cities served by DEN that aren't also served by LAX? Liberal, Kansas; and Kearney, Nebraska?! :) More NYC is an obvious move; IMHO, DEN is not. There's lots of Eritreans and Ethiopians in Denver. And you can't t...
Jump to postKalamata aerospace industry? Best April Fool's joke today!
Jump to postSEA now has increased the use of "remote" operations, due to increased traffic, combined with a bunch of gates under construction, and out of commission.
Jump to postMSP can support both of them. ... There is also big German and British communities Really? I'd be interested to hear the size of the German-born and UK-born populations of the Cities... You can't put too much weight on German or British ancestry , because that doesn't generate anywhere near the amo...
Jump to postGiven the tech connections between the Chicago area and India the suggestion AA couldn't make this work appears to not bode well for the long-term viability of their ORD hub... AA has shown no interest or intent to connect pax through ORD internationally on their own metal. Only JV carriers. ORD ha...
Jump to postAustin would also be a good choice for Indian flights. Its a decent tech hub and faces no competition from gulf carriers. This makes no sense, no connectivity. Never happens. If AUS gets any international flight, it would be MAN. Tech capital of the UK, and some connection options with partner BA. ...
Jump to postAgree, although IAD (and possibly ORD) would be added before the West Coast. I'm still surprised AA is launching ORD-ATH before UA. United has the smallest presence of all US carriers in ATH, which should not be the case considering the A3 connectivity. I guess it's easier for them to route all of ...
Jump to postOrthodox Easter is celebrated AFTER Passover always. Could be early, could be late...depends on year Whatever service is added, we are talking JFK ORD BOS YYZ at most In 2017, it was one of the unusual times where both Easters were on the same day. 2018- 4/1 and 4/8(one week apart) 2019- 4/21 and 4...
Jump to postAA will also have a daily ORD-ATH from 3 May 2019 to 28 September 2019 operated with the 788. That's six daily flights from the US to ATH next summer (JFKx2, EWRx2, PHLx1, ORDx1) plus a bunch of connections via airports such as LHR, CDG, AMS, FRA, IST and SVO. We can also add connections via Canada...
Jump to post[quote="bennett123”]Apparently Athens Spirit Airlines was founded in 2017, but I cannot find anything before 2019. [/quote] Neither have I. In fact, just learned about them this week. But you need to consider that the management team mostly came from SkyGreece and Hellenic Imperial. People got ...
Jump to postOne more attempt of a start-up carrier from Greece doing transatlantic. And guess what? From same guys that brought you SkyGreece and Hellenic Imperial.....
https://aeronauticsonline.com/athens-sp ... in-greece/
P1aneMad wrote:They really are all over the place.
I have to admit that I didn't know Ethiopian was in Star Alliance. Seriously, that's embarrassing - but I will admit it. As I had mentioned on other threads, UA has very little to do with alliance partner ET, as well as TG/A3. And it's easy to assume that these carriers are NOT part of the Star All...
Jump to postThere is construction going on at Terminal 1 and UA needs to make the most of their own gate space. As a result, the LH flights are split. If I recall correctly, FRA leaves from 1, and MUC leaves from 5. (Previously both left from 1). Maybe once the construction is done, but certainly not now. LX a...
Jump to postn2dru wrote:Anyone has the info on which US cities have the most demand to sub Saharan Africa?
Another dynamic in the ET/East Africa situation. Diplomatic relations between Ethiopia and Eritrea have become normalized, and flights between the two countries have been reinstated. As a result. more people going to Eritrea, since it is easier to get to.
Jump to postUA and ET have an OK relationship. Obviously not at the same level as their JV partners, but ET has a relatively extensive codeshare on UA flights out of IAD and I believe recently out of ORD as well. UA/ET have even interlined prior to ET joining Star. It's more complicated than that. Just because...
Jump to postThis is what puzzles me. If ET indeed had the rights it would have been all over it including adding frequency to LFW from Nigeria (where ASKY is limited) or go beyond to destinations like NYC, yet it never did. The open skies allows for such service if the intermediate stop's country allows it, ye...
Jump to postIn the future, could I consider San Francisco (SFO) as a destination? I think it would be better to fly to SFO than it has to LAX, it seems better strategy to expand to strong Star Alliance Hubs No you shouldn’t as SFO lacks the demand volume to Africa which LAX had some what. So if LAX couldn’t su...
Jump to postORD PRG for a start in summer 2020. DFW-BCN, long rurmored as well. DFW-BCN on AA metal makes perfect sense. I'd personally be surprised at ORD-PRG but hey if ATH and VCE worked then why not! Just crazy to me how weak AA still is on ORD-Europe. UA is also(somewhat) weak on Europe out of ORD. Plus, ...
Jump to postBut it is still puzzling that A3, does not code-share on UA's EWR-ATH flight. You would think that if they don't want to do long-haul, at least code-share on your partner's flight. They do, on the AC trips. But I suspect there is some "bad blood" between A3 and UA preventing this. In fact,...
Jump to postCould there have been charter services?(Especially with it being military place).
They have done some odd charters...….there was a GUM to Samoa about four years ago on UA. (Not sure if it was APW or PPG).
I can see it with a stop in ORK, for multiple reasons...…the 321 needs a stop, for obvious reasons......Irish people generally like to do holidays in the Mediterranean.......more convenient(for some) than using SNN/DUB..........on the US side, yes, there is Norwegian, but it is doubly bad.......PVD ...
Jump to postNothing "historical" or "groundbreaking" about this bunch of flights...…..not bad moves, but, for the most part, nothing to get excited about.
Now I can go back to taking my nap......
My own 0.02 to this....and I would agree with some of the things previously said.....
One thing not mentioned is SFO-LIS......TAP hub......large Portuguese population in California.......and TP recently added ORD/IAD..........sounds like a perfect fit!
LAXintl wrote:JNB much more likely from IAH imo...
LAXintl wrote:Delta has tried Vienna multiple times even a nonstop to Atlanta without much success.
Further back folks like TWA served VIE as well.
And what kind of general agreements(ticketing/baggage)agreements does AT have with other carriers? I remember people having to short-check bags, due to the lack of such agreements.
Jump to postNo real local market for ATL-WAW, whatsoever. Doomed to fail, just like when DL did MSP-FCO. There needs to be some local traffic to make a gateway city work.
DTW-WAW on DL would be the best bet. And I could see LO possibly do some kind of Florida trip...
Primera indeed has a strange "game plan", to say the least. Their headquarters is in Latvia, and most planes in Denmark, if I recall correctly....but they have these transatlantic flights out of BRU, one of the London airports, and now Tegel, besides their "vacation" flights out ...
Jump to post