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by 7BOEING7
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 404874

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Don’t know if anybody has mentioned it but the 747SP had a similar issue during wing testing. A door didn’t blow out but the aft fuselage depresserized

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by 7BOEING7
Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

As for how soon they can hire "several hundred" people, it is a town of 20K people. Might take a while, but apparently they are targeting out of town help, since they are going to provide accommodation. I've read the job posting, and it looks like the only required education is school dip...

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by 7BOEING7
Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

I hope you are not suggesting an airman who ignores stick shakers and aural warnings and proceeds to fly towards the onset of stall is a competent airman. Thinking about it... Did Boeing ever gave an exact value for MCAS threshold, and same for the shaker? As they said, MCAS is coming up during ext...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Polarised lenses must have been in last time. http://www.avherald.com/h?article=4c534c4a/0045&opt=0 'the first 737-8 MAX simulator was put into service mid January 2019. Only in March 2019 a trim runaway lesson was included in the NG and MAX training syllabus. Flight crew are scheduled to go th...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

I’m guessing there will be no simulator training requirements for return to service but recurrent training sessions will cover much more vigorously the runaway trim and manual stab trim issues.

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by 7BOEING7
Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

I don't know if "B777LRF" was referring to type certificate or CoA. He say "Certificate of Airworthiness" but in a way that is general to all 737 MAX, like the type certificate do. As you point out, only experimental airworthiness certificates can be issued, so my understanding ...

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by 7BOEING7
Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

The new head of the FAA has a lot of pressure not only because of Boeing wanting the aircraft back into service but because he will be the face of disaster or success of the "new" Max. If he gives a green light and 1-24 months down the line a MAX crashes due to bad design approved by the ...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Washington State Thread - 2019
Replies: 267
Views: 48961

Re: Washington State Thread - 2019

A quick question: My 80-year old Dad is flying into Sea-Tac on Sunday, and a friend and I are going to pick him up. If we wait in the cell-phone lot, is it realistic for me to walk from the lot to arrivals? My dad won't have a phone, so I'd like to meet him at baggage, then call my friend in the lo...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 404874

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

I thought that in a high-speed taxi test, the NLG lifted off the ground. Definitely not the max weight rejected take off version where you have smoking brakes and fire trucks. That will probably be later. bt If they were going flying anytime soon the nose may have left the runway. The max brake ene...

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by 7BOEING7
Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:21 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Small Cockpit Device On All Passenger Planes
Replies: 10
Views: 5043

Re: Small Cockpit Device On All Passenger Planes

On Boeing airplanes they were called “seat alignment balls” which were standard equipment on the 707, 727, 737 and 747. With the coming of the 757 and 767 they started disappearing. The 737NG didn’t have them, nor the 747-400 except for a few customers (ANA was one). A Boeing production pilot who “s...

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by 7BOEING7
Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Without MCAS the Pilots will have a raw flying MAX without "protection". If a 737 MAX is not FAA certifiyable without MCAS how can it be permitted to fly with MCAS disabled? Couldn't we better take out the whole MCAS from the beginning please and let the pilots fly and trim themselves? It...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Happy to hear Boeing is confident it can address the software "problems" by using dual input. One question arising from the Seattle Times article ( https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/newly-stringent-faa-tests-spur-a-fundamental-software-redesign-of-737-max-flight-contr...

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by 7BOEING7
Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

I don't think 10 seconds of continuous trim input is really a "short burst." It is a myth that MCAS runaway and "normal" runaway are so different that a pilot would not be able to recognize MCAS runaway as a runaway stabilizer. I would be willing to bet that when the final repor...

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by 7BOEING7
Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Unfortunately there are many people who believe that the pilots are obsolved of all blame because they are dead -- that's not the way it works. As long as you even hint at any pilot blame you will be trashed.

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Don't they ferry them with special pilots only and flaps out to prevent MCAS from activating? Company pilots: yes. Flaps out: There are plenty of flight tracks showing ferry flights at max altitude and speed, I posted one earlier to this thread. So, not a "death trap". After an initial gr...

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by 7BOEING7
Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Even IF the FAA caves quickly and certifies the aircraft, I seriously doubt the Europeans or China will follow that easily. The longer this drags on, the more they will scrutinize every freakin' detail of the MAX. The FAA and the Europeans will announce together +\- and the Chinese when they see it...

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by 7BOEING7
Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini
Replies: 156
Views: 44013

Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

Any aircraft that finds the water would be an instant right off! I know it's a special case, but the last Boeing 307 Stratoliner that wound up in the Seattle-area lake was repaired. It didn’t land in a lake (fresh water), it landed in Puget Sound (salt water) so the repair was a little more difficu...

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by 7BOEING7
Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

The future: When airliners will be updated (reengining or otherwise), then they will be made to aerodynamically naturally fulfill all FARs without the need for add on systems to compensate for adverse control characteristics. Should an OEM in a million years propose anything less than that, then th...

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by 7BOEING7
Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

2. use at least 2 sensors that sounds tricky.... maybe someone with knowledge of the 737 system design can elaborate how this could be achieved Flashing a new software seems pretty simple. but how they will implement a second sensor in planes already built? isn´t it the fuselage to be modified? The...

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by 7BOEING7
Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini
Replies: 156
Views: 44013

Re: Plane Crash at TKK (Chuuk, FSM) - Air Niugini

If you are flying an LNAV/VNAV approach you have level offs in some cases, with IAN it smooths those out to give you a "glideslope" type approach. Instead of the PFD displaying G/S it displays G/P (Glide Path). You select the "APP" button just as you would for an ILS approach. As...

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by 7BOEING7
Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 508
Views: 177826

Re: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Man, the job of clearing the backlog of undelivered frames is going to be massive. Read some estimates of taking all of 2020 to clear the ramps. I think they may well be right. Not a chance it takes that long. They will gone much more quickly than they came in. Well maybe, maybe not. It depends on ...

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by 7BOEING7
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Airplanes are not just parked and forgotten about. They were either put in short term storage or long term storage. Each has different requirements for procedures that cover all three phases — going in, during, and coming out. Long term will take a few more manhours to get back to service but I don’...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF447 - French prosecutors indict AF for negligence
Replies: 7
Views: 2157

Re: AF447 - French prosecutors indict AF for negligence

In an attempt to cut costs, the EASA training syllabus allows a multi crew pilot to advance from private to ATP without stalling an airplane, an event that is practiced hundreds if not thousands of times in the same training timeframe in the US/Canada.. I assume you mean e few times by thousands of...

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by 7BOEING7
Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Did you mean inhibited? Where did this information come from? IIRC it isn’t on the NG. Please enlighten. Sorry should say inhibited. It is Max only, for detail see below https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/IM.A.120%20Boeing737%20TCDS%20APPENDIX%20ISS%2010.pdf STATEMENT OF ISSUE The a...

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by 7BOEING7
Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:49 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: RAT Deployment and ETOPS
Replies: 28
Views: 4110

Re: RAT Deployment and ETOPS

On the Boeing side, with the 757/767 it takes failure of both engines (or pulling of the appropriate circuit breakers -- to confirm proper operation) to get the RAT to drop. You have flight controls available for a smooth descent and the battery for instruments. RAT switch also available but is only...

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by 7BOEING7
Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

LDRA wrote:
At Vmo, Max electric trim is inhabited BY DESIGN. So it does not even take failure conditions to need to use manual trim wheel.


Did you mean inhibited? Where did this information come from? IIRC it isn’t on the NG. Please enlighten.

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by 7BOEING7
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:18 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Mandate fly-by-wire for transport class aircraft through Part 25 regulation?
Replies: 9
Views: 2601

Re: Mandate fly-by-wire for transport class aircraft through Part 25 regulation?

What the hell has happened to this website? it's the "clicks". Just like online news which have click bait headlines, a.net forums have trolls. How many pages would you see on a plane crash if it was a friendly/technical discussion -- at least 50-75% less. Without the trolls they wouldn't...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

I wouldn’t read too much into this. EL was about to retire (>55 and a good retirement package) when he was asked to return to Renton from Everett (777X to 737) to straighten out the issues on the 737 line. He had nothing to do with the 737 issues and what he came to Renton for was accomplished. Any...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:35 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: RAT Deployment and ETOPS
Replies: 28
Views: 4110

Re: RAT Deployment and ETOPS

It's been since late 2014 that I worked for a RAT and ADG manufacturer, so it's all a bit hazy, but I do seem to remember that the B787 would have a stacked hydraulic/electric capability. I never got to see one in person, but if I remember correctly from the CMM, the generator and pump were in-line...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

'Boeing Co. said 737 program chief Eric Lindblad is retiring after about a year in the post' 'Lindblad, 57, “shared with me his desire to retire last year, and we will now begin to embark on a thoughtful and seamless transition plan,” ' So apparently he was planning on early retirement within a few...

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by 7BOEING7
Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:54 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A340 dumps fuel touching down while on runway..
Replies: 21
Views: 5438

Re: A340 dumps fuel touching down while on runway..

OldAeroGuy wrote:
Max Q wrote:
That picture definitely shows fuel coming out of one of the dump nozzles


Except the picture appears to be a 757. The 757 does not have fuel jettison (ie dump) nozzles.


The displayed photos are indeed a 757 generating vortices however the linked photo is an AB dumping while on the ground.

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by 7BOEING7
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Relative to the back in service date, I believe Boeing indicated after they got dinged by the FAA, they said September would be the date for providing paperwork to the FAA, so in service would be 2-3 months after that if all went well.

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by 7BOEING7
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

So EASA asking for a fix for a trim wheel function that is present on hundreds of NG's operating in Europe to allow the MAX back in the air while not grounding the NG passes the sniff test? If the exact issue is present on both the NG and the MAX unrelated to MCAS, based on the NG’s safety record I...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Here is a potential critical scenario that does not require any MCAS failures -- I think I have described it in a previous post, but I'll gladly do it again (sorry if I don't quote all the previous posts replying to it): 1 - Initial flight conditions are such that MCAS is on but standing by (e.g., ...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 508
Views: 177826

Re: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Seeing the red tape under L1 on the Ryanair birds, do they have their own stairs or is that door for something else? Airstairs. Thank you. I was wondering if this was still an option. I remember when I was young seeing them on DC-9s and the tail stairs on 727s and DC-9s. Ryanair is one of the very ...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 508
Views: 177826

Re: Boeing 737MAX Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Beedo46 wrote:
Seeing the red tape under L1 on the Ryanair birds, do they have their own stairs or is that door for something else?


Airstairs.

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by 7BOEING7
Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 212
Views: 72607

Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Airbus and CFM International have agreed to increase A320 production to 65 aircraft per month by 2023, according to French newspaper La Tribune. Airbus president Guillaume Faury had announced last month that production was going to reach 63 by 2021, and that they were looking for a further increase...

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by 7BOEING7
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019
Replies: 4380
Views: 723981

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

The problem is that airlines would have needed their 737 pilot corps to be split into two type rating groups -- especially onerous for WN, but undesirable for AA and others. There might have been more extensive transition requirements and maybe even separate ratings (doubtful) but the crews would h...

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by 7BOEING7
Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 455121

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Does this mean that all new Max aircraft currently sitting on the Boeing production areas storage lots to be delivered to airlines will be updated before delivery with “an” (as quoted above, implying only one) AoA disagree alert. And as an “option” (at X $ optional price) can also get “an” (as quot...

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by 7BOEING7
Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 455121

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

How is this possible? After the initial grounding notification, which allowed positioning flights, a subsequent EASA notification prohibits all flights, for any reason. Maybe they got an exemption for this flight. FL200 and "slow" -- could be with the flaps out to prevent MCAS. But on wha...

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by 7BOEING7
Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 455121

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

SE-RTC (call sign NAX1TD) currently West of La Rochelle @ FL200.....out of Malaga, but headed for? How is this possible? After the initial grounding notification, which allowed positioning flights, a subsequent EASA notification prohibits all flights, for any reason. Maybe they got an exemption for...

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by 7BOEING7
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 455121

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

After years of McNerney's MBA outsourcing/business venture experiments, it seems that the conclusion by the current CEO, is that it doesn't make that much sense after all for Boeing. Some outsourcing will make sense, but far less. Reading that article is not condemning the MAX at all, but rather th...

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by 7BOEING7
Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 455121

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

After years of McNerney's MBA outsourcing/business venture experiments, it seems that the conclusion by the current CEO, is that it doesn't make that much sense after all for Boeing. Some outsourcing will make sense, but far less. Reading that article is not condemning the MAX at all, but rather th...

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by 7BOEING7
Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 455121

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

According to Bloomberg the flight control computer problems now reach back to the NG, with planes displaying uncontrolled, random behaviour. Pilots are not happy. http://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/pilots-battled-computer-problems-on-other-boeing-jets-besides-the-max-20190628-p5224z.html O...

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by 7BOEING7
Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 455121

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

But what exactly are the symptoms to be determined within 3 seconds? Sts is another source of trim movement without direct pilot command, and it happens often. So how to ensure response to actual runaway without many false alarms? As Mentor Pilot says in his video, STS is making control forces easi...

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by 7BOEING7
Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3768
Views: 455121

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

frmrCapCadet wrote:
res FAA: at minimum FAA should appoint the Boeing certifyers, and those appointed people should report to the FAA not Boeing managers.


Was working fine until about 10 years ago, didn’t report to the FAA but they had your back. At least they said they did, fortunately never had to test that theory.

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by 7BOEING7
Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:04 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Can the A340-500 do the longest posible flights?
Replies: 31
Views: 7278

Re: Can the A340-500 do the longest posible flights?

I'm guessing a B777-200LR would be in the running. Already a long haul plane, A privately owned one would be carrying less payload than an airline version leaving a lot of weight carrying ability for fuel. With the large cargo area capacity could install a number of aux tanks. The 777-200LR with 3 ...

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by 7BOEING7
Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 1441
Views: 404874

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

morrisond wrote:
What is the typical time from first Taxi test to First flight?


A day or two — but not this time. The GE engine issue is a longevity thing — one would think they could complete a lot of the non-engine related testing to shorten EIS delay. Strange???

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by 7BOEING7
Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 951
Views: 274669

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2019

Singapore Airlines 787-10 9V-SCL doing a high speed taxi test https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9PH5AjXsAAXlhn?format=jpg https://twitter.com/cassidysvacay/status/1140474958482694145?s=20 What speeds are reached during high speed taxi test? Also, looking at the KLM 787-10 images posted above, I feel ner...

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by 7BOEING7
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread
Replies: 310
Views: 95547

Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

How is that milking? Yes, they had a deferred ceremonial signing, but all the attention was for the service contracts, also in the media. The media I found did only mention signing the contract to buy the 18 777-9, non mentioned other contracts. A press release is not the media. Try this: https://w...

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