Boeing weekly update (one day early because of thanksgiving.
Just the Avolon order.
Changes since last update: 75 new orders (Avolon Aerospace Leasing Limited for 75 737s)
737 net orders: 46 NG and 459 MAX
First the aircraft deliveries of Jet Airways had been deferred to 2017, now it has been deferred to God knows when, does anyone have an idea that when the First Jet Airways 787-9 will be built? Do they have a LN assigned? In the 2016 they already deferred their 1st delivery to 2019, and this year i...Jump to post
I'm wondering which aircraft (LN nr) this will be, I don't see it on NYC787's spreadsheet? LN04 is an possibility. It's a very early and has done a lot of testing, but will Boeing make a Q1 delivery work, it probably still need a lot of rework before it can be delivered. 2nd option is LN19, it's de...Jump to post
I don't believe that Emirates are seriously looking at the 777-9 as a replacement for the A380. This new deal might be much more about the retirement schedule of the oldest A380s. With this deal they can go ahead with their already scheduled retirement schedule, as this deal will mean that they will...Jump to post
GECAS was the leasing company that converted a part of their order from the -10 to the -9. They did not announce any lease placement yet, they might want to profit from the popularity of the 787-9 to make it easier to secure deals. Or they already signed a yet to be announced deal with a customer th...Jump to post
The B787 is a star for sure. BUT there is a problem and its called the A330 NEO. I think that the A330 NEO will gain many orders in the future, even though its backlog isnt too impressive right now. The B787s tremendous success is pushing delivery slots all the way into the middle of the next decad...Jump to post
SV also have 8 787-10 on order through the Saudi Ministry of Finance, this was through a conversion of their still unidentified order earlier this year. See the tails in the image below, they just put the wrong text under the ? tail. Would it not be better if this discussion is done in a dedicated t...Jump to post
2-DEER was at the Dubai Airshow, Deer Jet told the press there again that they will get a 2nd 787 in 2018. it's even currently in completion.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ut-443165/
Does anyone known which one they will get?
If the new engine technology that will make the 797 possible turns out to be that much better then the current engines on the 787 it will be very simple. The customers will then simply demand Boeing to put these new engines on the 787 as well. But for now that's just pure speculation what might happ...Jump to post
Boeing is done for this Airshow. Wrap-up press release: "Boeing Wins Landmark Deals, Highlights Broad Portfolio at Dubai Airshow" Announced 296 commercial jet orders and commitments, valued at about $50 billion “This has been a very successful show for Boeing. Our regional customers have m...Jump to post
Air China and Shenzhen Airlines order 60 GTF engines. Pratt & Whitney announced today a definitive agreement with Air China Limited (Air China) and Shenzhen Airlines for 60 Airbus A320neo family aircraft, powered by PurePower Geared Turbofan (GTF) engines. The contract with Air China includes a...Jump to post
Egyptair and AerCap also announced a deal for the lease of 15 A20neo's
"AerCap and EGYPTAIR Reach Agreement on the Lease of 15 Airbus A320neo Aircraft"
http://www.aercap.com/newsroom/press-re ... 0neo-aircr
The Airbus press release reads as it's a framework deal. Indigo Partners has placed this MoU to get a very good price and now the different airlines within the group can firm up their part when they need to do this. A bit like the Chinese orders, but then with more freedom for the individual airlines.Jump to post
http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2017/11/wataniya-airways-to-add-25-a320neo-family-aircraft-.html MOU for Wataniya for 25neos I think most of us had to google this airline. It's a big step from operating 2 A320s to go to 25. But good for them if they have the ambition to grow. And g...Jump to post
How did Airbus do last year at the Dubai Airshow? Airbus turned up, but nobody was there.... ;) It's held every 2 years. But the headlines for the 2015 were also like this: "Dubai Airshow 2015: Aircraft Orders Take a Break" No significant orders were placed there, so nothing really differ...Jump to post
So much for the notion touted here that EK wouldn't touch the 787-10 because its performance would suck out of DXB. That notion was touted by the same person who now signed this deal. I always suspected that it was just a reaction from Emirates to way to early news reports that Boeing had won the o...Jump to post
to have some Airbus news, Air Arabia has signed a lease deal with ALC for 6 A321neoLRs
"AIRSHOW-Air Arabia to lease 6 Airbus A321neos from Air Lease Corp"
http://www.reuters.com/article/emirates ... SD5N1MY00W
Airbus already mentioned in earlier reports about this deal that the production of the A380 would go on for a decade, but they need this order to actually make this happen. This must be reflected in the negotiations, which now appear to be very interesting. Both know they need each other for the A38...Jump to post
Another image from Boeing's twitter.
https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 2146156544
That's a 787-9.... mistake? or something that hasn't been revealed yet?
It was on and off and now definitely on this year for this order. Congrats to Boeing and Emirates. With 2022 deliveries they clearly didn't want to wait 2 more years until the next Dubai Airshow to announce this, they didn't want another Air Show without multiple large orders (A380 order still to co...Jump to post
Going from this kind of information I was under the impression that big work was going on at the factory.
This dismantling of large machinery which is not needed anymore did happen during the 6 day stop. I doubt that it was just coincidence.
Boeing delivered just 2 777s in October (2x 777F), thus zero 77Ws. That must be a first since a very long time. Clearly the increased traveled work must be the result of this. Boeing rolled out 3 77Ws for Qatar Airways in September which could all have been delivered in October. But all of Qatar's ...Jump to post
To put this order in perspective Boeing deliveries to China: 2016: 126 2017 up to October: 126 (includes deliveries to Chinese Leasing companies with leases to non Chinese airlines but doesn't include deliveries to China via non Chinese Leasing companies) With the current delivery rates these 300 &q...Jump to post
VirginFlyer wrote:Boeing Weekly Update
16 new orders (Unidentified Customer(s) for 16 737s). In the changes category, reduced 737 orders by 16.
jbs2886 wrote:Maybe these 4 were already booked as unidentified before 2017. Jump to postchiki wrote:CDB deal finalised
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-11-09- ... reamliners
There is a gap of 4 737s; on the books its 48, but announcement says 52.
jbs2886 wrote:This is what happend. 2 77Ws were booked on the 19th. And 8 booked a day later together with the 30 737s = China Southern. Jump to postMileHFL400 wrote:China Southern?
Could be if there are 2 777s from another carrier in the unidentified count for the week (China Southern ordered 8).
Airbus Orders October 2017
http://www.aircraft.airbus.com/market/o ... eliveries/
Private Customer: 1x A320ceo
Undisclosed: 7x A320neo
VivaAerobus: 2x A320ceo
AirAsia: 14x A320ceo
Net total 2017 = 288
Not exactly a vote of confidence in the C919 when the one customer China can force to buy them (itself) goes for 260 B737s The C919 already has 700+ orders, more than enough to get it established in production and service. 260 737s ordered for political gains isn't going to break the C919 program. ...Jump to post
This announcement has something to do with Trump, the orders in itself not. For example, non of the 100+ 737 MAXs that will be delivered to China before the end of 2018 were ordered after Trump became president. China has been a large Boeing customer before Trump and will remain a large Boeing custo...Jump to post
Trip or no trip, these deals would have been signed anyway. The Chinese hunger for new planes is big enough, they will order far more then 300 Boeing planes over the next couple of years. I wonder if this time around we will be able to link this announcement directly to new orders. Not any unidentif...Jump to post
It will most likely be like the previous time something like this happened. That was in September 2015 when the Chinese president visited the US. Boeing's press release for that visit: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2015-09-23-Boeing-Hosts-China-President-Xi-Jinping-Announces-Airplane-Sales-Expanded-Co...Jump to post
¿Order in Dubai air show? Considering Delta's issues with the ME3 carriers there's zero chance that Delta want to have anything to do with the Dubai Airshow. As for the Bombardier situation impacting this deal. Delta reaction to the tarrifs has been very restrained, just criticizing them without go...Jump to post
The weather was too miserable on both the days I was in HND for photos I'm afraid. So why couldn't the engine fix be done at Boeing's HQ before delivery then ? Or indeed at the RR factory itself ? You do realise that these aircraft are in service right? It would be impractical - both for economic a...Jump to post
It's because of the known issues with the turbine blades on the Rolls-Royce Trent 1000, which came to light last year. All 787 RR operators are affected. ANA is replacing all of the RR engines on all their 787s, this will take 2 more years to complete this operation. Article from last year on the AN...Jump to post
And what is really a "firm LoI" ? :roll: It's currently still a standard LoI. Firm just means in this context that when the order is firmed up there will 31 firm order + 30 options. As opposed to standard announcements that an LoI is for up to 61 Bombardier Cseries and then only announcin...Jump to post
WestJet could have just waited out and see the market repsonse to the MAX 10 before jumping in. On the other hand, the MAX 9 would have come much earlier then the MAX 10. The MAX 9 slots have been converted to the MAX 8 and MAX 7, with later MAX 8 slots being converted to the MAX 10. It could have b...Jump to post
WestJet has altered their MAX order. 4 MAX 8s & 3 MAX 7s have been substituted for the 7 MAX 9s originally scheduled to be delivered between 2018-2019. And they now have 12 MAX 10s on order. 7 of which were originally to be MAX 8s. Effectively they have changed their 737-9 order into the 737-10...Jump to post
You can always find the deferred cost numbers on Boeings website, they were already updated yesterday.
http://www.boeing.com/investors/account ... ions.page/
Now we just have to wait for the order announcement. The sales team will not ask the website department to already make a webpage if there's no order.
Boeing released a short statement on the China Southern order. "Boeing Statement on China Southern Airlines" SEATTLE, Oct. 23, 2017 - We are pleased that China Southern Airlines has selected more Boeing 777-300ERs and the popular 737 MAX. This order will be posted to Boeing's Orders & ...Jump to post