Don’t forget that QR still has 30 787-9s incoming Can someone clarify if QR has actually confirmed those 787-9s. My understanding is that they were options that were never excersized. The 787-9 order was firmed up on 05-Oct-2016 http://www.boeing.com/commercial/customers/qatar-airways/qatar-airways...Jump to post
What's still confusing after the press release? It clearly states what it is, there is 1 previously unidentified order for 2 747-8Fs, with the 1st of those 2 delivered. Any other sources are just misinterpretations of what was said at the delivery event. The CEO just said at the event that he could ...Jump to post
For what I see for now, in styling, promotion, destinations, it looks like they are actually seem to be targeting millennials with this airline, just like they said they would do. It would be interesting to know what the target group thinks about this new airline. Considering they are not using inte...Jump to post
I strongly disagree. A fully optimised 787-3 or a lightweight shorter ranged 787 is the perfect MOM. That's a for shorter routes optimized 787-8, not a 787-3, which was something completely different. And it will still be too big and too heavy to be considered MOM. ANA operates the 787-8 on domesti...Jump to post
I think also the timing was wrong. Perhaps now it would do better sales wise and perhaps fill the MOM spot, a 5000 mile range could do a lot of routes. Many 767's and 757's need replacing that were still flying when the 787 debuted. It had more seats then the 787-8, while it was less efficient then...Jump to post
^ Indeed, we could even say the main reason for the 787-3 variant wasn't short trips optimization at all. The main reason for the shorter wings was the usage of the 787-3 to smaller Japanese airports with gates that could only handle the 767 or smaller planes. With all the delays both ANA and JAL de...Jump to post
I can't not see Airbus doing this A322, maybe they will even make it different enough from A321 to call it the A360. And there's only 1 reason why they will do it, their customers wanting Airbus to built this plane. Other then that there are not too many options for a new project. The A3511, A380neo...Jump to post
I don't understand your logic. None of what you listed are a LoI, or even MoU. Virgin has a firm A380 order, although most do not expect them to take delivery. Qantas never had an agreement for any 777, they were just part of the team of airlines that gave Boeing design input. Transaero's A380 and ...Jump to post
Here's a link to a Chinese article in Chinese, judging from the numbers given in the article it looks like it was part of the MOU. http://www.caacnews.com.cn/1/6/201709/t20170922_1229466.html They already had 36 MAX on order, the article mentions that it's now 44. But there's no actual mention of th...Jump to post
It's good to post all LoI's MoU's in this thread, it makes it easier to keep track of these announcements over the year. I would draw the line at articles on airlines that are looking at placing orders, those should not be posted here. This is not really a discussion thread anyway, if an announcemen...Jump to post
With the TK LoI the number of firm orders/MoUs/LoIs booked/announced so far this year = 143.
That's book to bill for the current year. Of course firm orders count more, but even then it shows that the market for the 787 continues to be strong.
I would have been very surprised if they would not ordered the 787, I would also be surprised if there won't be an A350 order down the road in a couple of years. It was one of the last large airlines that didn't have any orders for the next gen wide-bodies. Hopefully they will firm it up soon, then ...Jump to post
With the DL flight arriving into AMS at 7:55, the first connections you can make will be at 8:55. There is no way that KLM has 50 EU connections between 8:55 and 10:05 (1 hour after arrival of KL602). Heck, does KLM even serve 50 EU cities? So the only benefit of the new DL LAX-AMS flight will be f...Jump to post
Correct me if I am wrong, but this new DL flight arrives too late for the very early morning EU bank starting around 7AM. It only hits the second wave, which you can still get in time for on the long standing KL602. It seems the only thing this new DL service does is to give much longer connection ...Jump to post
After reading JAL's press release, these four will be for domestic operations. This will be a first as all 788s & 789s delivered to date have been for international operations. Certainly four 788s will not be end and more 788 and 789 will be ordered in the future as the 763s and 772s age. It wi...Jump to post
The MoM would be a very good fit for them. But they want these 787 before 2020, so the MoM will only become an option later on in the 767 replacement cycle. With the Olympics coming up they might also want to increase capacity. The MoM will have less seats then a domestic Japanese 788.Jump to post
I think it's interesting that they will now use these new orders on their domestic network. JAL originally ordered 13 787-3s for these role, but up to now all the 787-8s these -3s were converted to have been used on long-haul flights for which the shorter wingspan of the 787-3 was not an issue. So n...Jump to post
^ Apparently Boeing offered the 747-8I to TK at some point in the sales negotiations for their next wide body order. The rumor also mentioned AerCap as the lessor through which these 747s would be ordered. I now have a strong feeling that the AerCap part was a misunderstanding, in the sense that the...Jump to post
There has been some comment on future production rates of modern wide bodies, so from memory may I list the upper limits as they appear to me: 10 per month: Airbus A330 all versions but allow for only 11 months per year not 12. 13 per month: Airbus A350 all versions but ditto 253 per year 14 per mo...Jump to post
It will always be difficult for people to grasp that making a profit and earning money are not always the same thing. Boeing does make it a bit more difficult with the program accounting, but hey, most of us don't care too much about accounting anyway. Yes, that is why many people are amazed when s...Jump to post
It will always be difficult for people to grasp that making a profit and earning money are not always the same thing. Boeing does make it a bit more difficult with the program accounting, but hey, most of us don't care too much about accounting anyway.Jump to post
I think everyone knows how the accounting block works Stitch. Its the almost $27billion cost that still need to be recovered on the accounts that has people commenting. Don't know why people are getting frustrated at posters pointing this out. Its not like we caused this to happen. The program will...Jump to post
Iran already threatened that if there would be more new sanctions they would pull out of the nuclear treaty. And they could see this order blockade as new sanctions. Then Europe will also have to respond with new sanctions, resulting in no more Airbus deliveries. Even if the US only blocks Boeing sa...Jump to post
How is a change in the accounting block bigger news that a change in the production rate? .....wait for it, the experts on the loss making aspects of the 787 program will chime in soon. I agree the increase is smaller than I expected, Boeing must not have the anticipated number of orders to have a ...Jump to post
We haven't heard of too many 787 deferrals, some yes. I meant that the backlog, without deferrals, still stretched beyond 2021. Of course earlier open slots automatically means that there are also slots reserved for airlines beyond 2021. That's why I said a quick calculation because we simply don't...Jump to post
Making a quick calculation with the 700 in the backlog and a mid 2019 date for the raise to 14 per month the 787 production line is still completely filled until the end of 2021. I suspect a fair number of those aircraft won't be delivered by 2021 so there is likely positions available. We already ...Jump to post
Making a quick calculation with the 700 in the backlog and a mid 2019 date for the raise to 14 per month the 787 production line is still completely filled until the end of 2021. So far this year Boeing booked / announced just over 100 firm orders / MoUs & Commitments. With a bit of luck this co...Jump to post
MH signs MOU for 16 airplanes conversion of 8 737MAX into 8 787-9's 8 additional purchase rights for 737MAX8 http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2017-09-12-Boeing-Malaysia-Airlines-Sign-Memorandum-of-Understanding-for-16-Airplanes?sf113471564=1 I wonder if they will be flying GEnXs or Trent 1000s? They wil...Jump to post
Maybe one should see this order as a late replacement for the 777-200ERs.
They already operated both the 777s and the A333s with a identical lay-out. so operating a A330/A350 and 787 is not really that far fetched for this airline.
This probably means that we will see even more A330s to Cathay Dragon, which are being replaced with the A350s.
The fate of the 777X order probably depends on how quick they want to start to retire their oldest 77Ws.
With the number of 787s and A350s Eithad has on order, combined with the relatively few production slots in 2017 and 2018, one could easily speculate that they have already deferred quite a number of deliveries. In the long run I don't think that these airlines will fall away, but they will simply b...Jump to post
And if they don't use CFM engines they will have to use PW, which are even more American then CFM. Well, they can always try to persuade Airbus to add GE engines as an option for the A350 and the A330neo. Not that it will happen, but it sounds good for the American public, Trump "trying his bes...Jump to post
Political or not, this deal will provide them with a very versatile plane, capable of many different roles in a fleet. Congrats to MH and Boeing.Jump to post
They could always lease some more, just like they will lease their A350s. We'll know when this deal will actually be announced later today.Jump to post
Air Niugini also has 1 on order with Boeing, making it 2 in total. Originally they were scheduled to be delivered in 2017 and 2018. But I can't find any recent information on the internet with a new delivery schedule. So who knows when they are going to take them, if they are going to take them. The...Jump to post
787 Firing Order is updated: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FH3Y2-vRUgojntPkCSJI5Pd-15rsJ1a0SFCRaT-iqgo/edit?usp=sharing Still interesting to mention as NYC777 did a another small update to the list in the last couple of days revealing 2 more first production slots since he made his post. ...Jump to post
Sayan777 wrote:When is Boeing starting to deliver the 787-10. Who is the launch customer.Which airlines gets the early delivery slots.
As it is there is not one delivered 787-10. Part of the 787-10 order was converted to 777-300. I do believek that UA will add more 787, but if the 45 A350-900 are supposed to replace most of the 777-200/200ER, than I think that the 787-9 is more useful to replace 767 than the 787-10. UA seems to do...Jump to post
There are only 14 787-10 on order at UA. The role for the 787-10 at UA seems to be rather limited. Compare that with 45 frames of the A350-900. So 14 actual delivered aircraft will have a lesser role than 45 undelivered frames that keep getting pushed back to 5 years? UA will continue to add 787s a...Jump to post
Because that's what EK's been doing for years if not decades now? Right, except DXB cannot add many more aircraft, let alone 70 A350s or 787s. We're talking about a physical limitation. Emirates will have to wait until it moves to DWC in 2025. And why order so many aircraft today that won't be deli...Jump to post
United has already confirmed that the 1st 787-10 are coming late next year, in fact, 1 of them is already built and even flying around as they will take the GE prototype. The A350 order conversion was also a deferral of the 1st deliveries by 4 years. All the current 787-10s on order will probably be...Jump to post
They will always have the option to order some of the smaller variants as well when they decide that they also need planes with more range. They might do something like EVA did, talk and order only the 787-10, but then lease a couple of 787-9s as well. And I do believe the 787 is the front runner he...Jump to post
United started with 27 orders for the 787-10, but converted about half of them to the 77W. The converted the -10 orders because they were the last ones that were supposed to be delivered They already a couple of new orders for 2 787-9s since then, somehow they were not identified on Boeing's order b...Jump to post
I don't consider 8 frames a small order. 8 747's is a large, perhaps not huge, but still a sizable order for VLA. If it means keeping the line open for a while longer, what does Boeing have to lose? A package deal along with 787's could be a sweet deal for both parties. Boeing has money to lose rig...Jump to post