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by ncflyer
Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1085
Views: 88695

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

How the airline world has changed. I viewed these 2 or 3 or 4 times a week flights as a bit of a joke when F9 and Allegiant first came around. Now I'm as excited for PBI to return as the next guy, even if only 3x per week, albeit with a lot of seats. Anything to avoid FLL, which has really become a ...

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by ncflyer
Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: TK to become casualty of USA-Turkey rhetoric?
Replies: 103
Views: 11054

Re: TK to become casualty of USA-Turkey rhetoric?

Right. I don’t think there’s enough discussion here of top line impact. Airlines are such a fixed cost business— even if TK “only” loses 5-10% of revenue to the US because of sanctions or negative press coverage of Turkey, that essentially comes right off the bottom line.

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by ncflyer
Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1085
Views: 88695

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Looks like the SLC is still loaded as daily late Feb and beyond. There's speculation on Eniliria's thread that Delta trims its schedule a bit for other priorities during peak Sundance period, which is late January/early Feb. Who the heck knows? Of note, PIT and IND still appear to be daily in this t...

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by ncflyer
Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1235
Views: 116405

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Not a bad video. As a clevelander I do laugh at using the age of PIT as a rationale— cleveland airport has to be pushing 50 and it’s in much worse shape than PIT. But it’s all about the political will of the community, and it seems strong in Pittsburgh, completely nonexistent in Cleveland. However, ...

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by ncflyer
Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1085
Views: 88695

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Speaking about doing something about FIS--- This will be last time I post a reminder--- for those interested and local to NEO, we will be convening a group of airliners.net forum participants to consider forming a citizen's committee to get airport improvements much, much higher on the agenda of bus...

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by ncflyer
Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1324
Views: 107497

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

I could easily post this article on the Cleveland forum, the Pittsburgh forum, or the Indy forum, as all three are very relevant. I thought it was really excellent and balanced article from the weekend in the Cleveland Plain Dealer debating whether airline incentives are worthwhile, sparked by what'...

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by ncflyer
Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1235
Views: 116405

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Not sure I follow you flyPIT, here's a direct cut and paste from the article-- unless the article is wrong or I'm misinterpreting it seems like an airline guarantee to me. The flights are being guaranteed with incentives totaling $910,000, a figure that’s split between Pittsburgh International ($560...

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by ncflyer
Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1235
Views: 116405

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Very interesting article on USA Today. I am very skeptical of these China flights, in fact more than skeptical I think it's a terribly disappointing waste of money. This is exhibit A of why the government isn't best at picking winners and losers in the economy. First of all has anyone looked at yiel...

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by ncflyer
Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Greenair this is an honest question I'm not trying to spark a debate, I'm trying to learn. I really don't get why there is so much attachment to Burke in this town. First off it is so easy to get from Hopkins to downtown, even during rush hour, traffic in Cleveland is nonexistent compared to any oth...

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by ncflyer
Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
Replies: 123
Views: 10148

Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

UA has showed time and time again that they would rather fly from Newark to smaller cities in Europe such as Porto or Belfast than anything out of Cleveland. They've voted with their planes way, way, way too many times on this issue-- even when CLE was still a hub. Very different approach then Delta...

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by ncflyer
Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
Replies: 123
Views: 10148

Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

Have no inside info, but having worked with many auditors in my career they bring no black magic to the equation. Let us not discount the possibility that the auditors would have been hired as a big CYA for politicians who failed to retain the jobs. Have seen too many times when audit findings are p...

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by ncflyer
Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
Replies: 123
Views: 10148

Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

Wish I had evidence to the contrary but since the hub closed there is no evidence whatsoever that UA is interested in anything but shrinking CLE. Though gradual, routes have only been taken away, not added. I’m glad at least seasonal to FL remains, and even though loads pathetic especially mid week,...

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by ncflyer
Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Yeah but SAN is not a hub and let’s face it out of CLE WN is strictly a spoke. Other than the MKE head scratcher. . . But that is a very short flight with strong Corp ties between the two cities. I’d look for DAL or HOU well before anything else from CLE, as those are the nearest missing hubs. As fa...

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by ncflyer
Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Anyone surprised that pdx is evidently a more successful route than SAN? I am…

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by ncflyer
Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA's Next US Destination
Replies: 455
Views: 46552

Re: BA's Next US Destination

Buffalo Matt so this is a good argument. but what does buffalo bring that is not well served from yyz already? If BUF had such a tremendous location advantage as you highlight then it would have more domestic pax??? Also Niagara Falls must be overwhelming majority of driving vacations, as it is an ...

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by ncflyer
Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA's Next US Destination
Replies: 455
Views: 46552

Re: BA's Next US Destination

Buffalo Matt so this is a good argument. but what does buffalo bring that is not well served from yyz already? If BUF had such a tremendous location advantage as you highlight then it would have more domestic pax??? Also Niagara Falls must be overwhelming majority of driving vacations, as it is an e...

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by ncflyer
Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

That is so well put fun2fly. First off I never really believed UA was losing money in CLE, I think they were routing connecting traffic away from the hub and lord knows there must be a million ways hub accounting can be allocated to make it look good or bad. But--- saying that, UA just seems to have...

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by ncflyer
Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

I suspect BDL survives as long as it has because otherwise the plane would be sitting a lot of hours on the ground in CLE. It's an early AM or end of day flight to and from CLE on its way to/from MSP I believe. I also think loads are just hurt terribly by such a horrific frequency. I go to BDL all t...

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by ncflyer
Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Wow those are some interesting stats, particularly the 46% number, and they give me great hope for WOW to be successful on top of Icleandair. Given that CLE isn't really a growing metropolitan area, could it be any clearer that low airfares are stimulating new traffic at CLE (or preventing NE Ohioan...

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by ncflyer
Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2016-2017
Replies: 1198
Views: 149225

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

For any city which Amazon picks for HQ2 it's such a no brainer that domestic routes would be added in a nanosecond. To me the real question is what is meant by international service in Amazons requirements. Is PIT or CVG token international service adequate. Or does Amazon really mean an airport lik...

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by ncflyer
Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL add IND-CDG
Replies: 223
Views: 24784

Re: DL add IND-CDG

Is Indy close enough to CVG or ORD that flyers would have previously driven for nonstop service to CDG or other European cities? If so then DL will cannibalize itself a bit to Cincy, but take away business from AA/UA/international flag carriers at ORD. Delta's pricing strategy is obviously very diff...

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by ncflyer
Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL add IND-CDG
Replies: 223
Views: 24784

Re: DL add IND-CDG

Interesting that IND already gets a deeper commitment than PIT. Show me the money! Also interesting that the GOVERNOR shows up? Come on, this is the best thing he has to do with his time. Imagine if the governor of IL, TX, GA, or NY did the same every time there was major announcement to those states?

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by ncflyer
Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2017
Replies: 949
Views: 71078

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread

Great win for Indy, agreed, and to me it is interesting that Delta alone amongst the US3 is pursuing this strategy-- PIT, RDU, IND, and heck I'd even argue PDX is not really a hub for Delta yet it has service to Europe. Non-hub flying to Europe (well AA has the LHR flight from RDU but that flight ha...

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by ncflyer
Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

This is great news, can't wait to play around with connecting possibilities on that bank-- hopefully better than such a late departure on WOW. Isn't it interesting-- they are only scheduling 5 more minutes for turnaround than WOW. Personally when I book international flights I like to see a little m...

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by ncflyer
Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT to allow non-pax through security
Replies: 81
Views: 9777

Re: PIT to allow non-pax through security

Wow, I really don't get it. First of all, the reason to prohibit non-passengers to go through security is about wait times I assume, not about safety. Why would anything be done to increase the burden on TSA when they really need to focus energy on people getting on airplanes. Second, come on--- the...

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by ncflyer
Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WOW Air adds KEF-CVG, STL, DTW & CLE!
Replies: 171
Views: 22392

Re: WOW Air adds KEF-CVG, STL, DTW & CLE!

Patience Robert1010-- at least I hope! The new flights leave the US cities very late and therefore must miss most connections to Europe. But I'd like to think WOW knows this and will gradually build up the connecting bank. If not you're right these flights are doomed.

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by ncflyer
Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Yeah but Indy is probably smart enough to know the cost of entry and not to throw their money away.

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by ncflyer
Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Re-reading the Iceland Air press release it had to be a rush job. No flight schedule, no ticket sale date, no aircraft announcement, no event at CLE airport? Would love to know the behind the scenes on the two decisions, coming so close together. If only one airline lasts out of this I sure hope it'...

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by ncflyer
Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Yippee. No more $1800 CLE to European capitals air fares. I think the likely fare drops-- coupled with easy connections-- will prevent tons of leakage to PIT and YYZ.

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by ncflyer
Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WOW Air adds KEF-CVG, STL, DTW & CLE!
Replies: 171
Views: 22392

Re: WOW Air adds KEF-CVG, STL, DTW & CLE!

this is bold on WOWs part in that the cities are reasonably close together. Would love to know for instance how much WOW PIT business made the super easy drive from CLE, I'll bet a nice chunk of that plane came from CLE. WOW will be cannibalizing itself but I'm sure they were smart enough to think t...

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by ncflyer
Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FI annouces CLE
Replies: 69
Views: 8343

Re: FI annouces CLE

FI is a full service carrier. They have premium economy and business class. Not to be confused with WOW. Me thinks the powers that be in Indy would be thrilled if they had the same win, especially because as noted airlines are like lemmings.

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by ncflyer
Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

My hunch is no way. Why would WOW add CLE when it is such an easy drive to PIT. I think they'd add frequency to PIT first. I have no data other than people I know-- many of whom are glad to make the drive up the Ohio Turnpike.

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by ncflyer
Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

?? But don't connecting international Pax count in the stats (as long as they are traveling on a single ticket from Cle) ?? If I'm right then the impact of CUN seat counts would be lessened.

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by ncflyer
Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

I'm afraid you're right. And by the way, how many airports in the country have as its only somewhat modern building a terminal that is mothballed, with essentially no prospects to ever be used again. It's sitting in a perfect location for more parking, or a car rental facility that isn't located in ...

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by ncflyer
Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

I'm happy for BNA but ultimately I find the announcement depressing. So many wins from smaller metro areas on the international front yet Cleveland seems to be without hope. I'm tired of driving to PIT or DTW for decent fares or nonstop service. I'm tired of purchasing a two ticket option to Europe ...

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by ncflyer
Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Terminal ORD: Timeless?
Replies: 22
Views: 3856

Re: AA Terminal ORD: Timeless?

As I don't fly AA very often, nor do I have occasion to pass through ORD, I saw that terminal for the first time in 20 years last month and thought it was horrible. Years ago I passed through on a weekly basis and thoroughly enjoyed the design, the flags, etc. Obviously this is an opinion for all of...

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by ncflyer
Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Why wouldn't F9 have included new CLE routes with their major announcement yesterday? I'm assuming this is it for a while, and honestly a little envious that CVG seems to be getting some very nice routes in this announcement (though who knows when and with what frequency).

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by ncflyer
Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread 2016-2017
Replies: 1198
Views: 149225

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread Part 34

Just returned from PDX via DEN. To/from DEN in A320/738. A320 had a bit nicer seats with outlets visible; 738 not so easy. 738 cabin lighting was better than standard cabin lighting. Portland is the same metro size as Pittsburgh. They have regular flights to Japan, Amsterdam, Hawaii, and Mexico, an...

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by ncflyer
Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Planes fly over Progressive Field, or more famously CitiField/ Arthur Ashe tennis stadium in NY all the time. Difference is in the case of Burke, Browns stadium is essentially a long city block or two away.

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by ncflyer
Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Edge and Bono were in Ottawa that day celebrating Canada Day with Trudeau et al. So the 737 arriving was two people emptier, if that's what it was. Incidentally I was at the concert and to my surprise and the surprise of those near me a decent sized plane took off right over the stadium mid concert....

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by ncflyer
Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Edge and Bono were in Ottawa that day celebrating Canada Day with Trudeau et al. So the 737 was two people emptier, if that's what it was. Incidentally I was at the concert and to my surprise and the surprise of those near me a decent sized plane took off right over the stadium mid concert. Why woul...

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by ncflyer
Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

United down to 3 flights to Boston this summer. uA Loads to DCA are paltry. For instance tomorrow peak travel season on a Friday the 9am flight shows 10 people on the seat map and only one of five flight looks half full. In contrast UA is running a 739 From Dulles to cleveland now and loads look qu...

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by ncflyer
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

United down to 3 flights to Boston this summer. uA Loads to DCA are paltry. For instance tomorrow peak travel season on a Friday the 9am flight shows 10 people on the seat map and only one of five flight looks half full. In contrast UA is running a 739 From Dulles to cleveland now and loads look qui...

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by ncflyer
Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

As has been discussed before I'm afraid the days of cle getting service to secondary markets are behind us. MAYBE MCI could be added but outside of that I'm sure not holding my breath. WN is really a hub and spoke carrier these days. Other than DAL and HOU and MCO, CLE is pretty well covered with WN...

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by ncflyer
Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:52 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: NY Times whine fest (air travel article 2017)
Replies: 17
Views: 1431

Re: NY Times whine fest

Yes. My thought is to rename your post if you want serious two way opinions on the article. Can't even take a breather from politics on an freaking airline forum. Sheesh. how about titling your forum "nyt article on 2017 air travel".

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by ncflyer
Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Which second-tier US cities can support Trans-Atlantic Flights?
Replies: 310
Views: 30097

Re: Which second-tier US cities can support Trans-Atlantic Flights?

To me a question like this comes down to "compared to what". If for some reason let's say BA has a slot and a plane available transatlantic to LHR they will say "should we add an extra frequency to an AA hubreal large city, or should we add a new city such as those being discussed her...

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by ncflyer
Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Dan Gilbert and many NBA owners are well known to charter planes for their employees to see away games. This would be my guess. Media would have wanted to arrive yesterday for all the press conferences.

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by ncflyer
Tue May 30, 2017 9:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155769

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

International has to also be driven by the crazy crazy international fares from CLE. They have really been bad lately. So much more cost effective to drive to PIT or even YYZ--- or to buy a separate ticket from the coast, BOS/IAD/JFK to Europe and a separate ticket to get to those cities from CLE. E...

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by ncflyer
Tue May 30, 2017 8:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future Hubs: Where could it happen?
Replies: 120
Views: 14583

Re: Future Hubs: Where could it happen?

My opinion is there won't be any new > 100 flight hubs in U.S. for at least next 10 years. I think the airlines have learned the hard way that unless a city has something really unique geography wise (SLC and CLT), you've got to be a giant city to support the fixed costs of a hub, a la EWR, ORD, IA...

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by ncflyer
Tue May 30, 2017 5:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future Hubs: Where could it happen?
Replies: 120
Views: 14583

Re: Future Hubs: Where could it happen?

My opinion is there won't be any new > 100 flight hubs in U.S. for at least next 10 years. I think the airlines have learned the hard way that unless a city has something really unique geography wise (SLC and CLT), you've got to be a giant city to support the fixed costs of a hub, a la EWR, ORD, IAH...

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