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by Rdh3e
Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI
Replies: 75
Views: 11474

Re: OAG Changes 1/13/2019:AS Suspends KOA-PDX;F9 Drops SAN-IND/MCO,LAS-MEM,IAH-RDU;UA Suspends EYW-ORD,IAH-PBI

flyoregon wrote:
. You could argue that San Diego shouldn’t have as many AS ops as it does being so close to LAX, but it does. How about SFO and SJC?.

You make a good point. AS seems almost obsessed with putting their eggs in as many baskets as possible. The result is that they are a nobody in most of them.

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by Rdh3e
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United #2 Airline Again (Revenue Passenger Miles)
Replies: 50
Views: 8754

Re: United #2 Airline Again

727LOVER wrote:
That's been the official measure of airline size for decades.....his title is FINE

Not to be a nit, but technically RPMs are the measure of busiest, not largest. ASMs are the metric for size.

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by Rdh3e
Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 12/30/2018:DL Drops LAX-SAL and SEA-YEG;SY Adds PDX-HNL;UA EWR-POS to Daily,HDN-IAH Dropped for Summer
Replies: 103
Views: 13105

Re: OAG Changes 12/30/2018:DL Drops LAX-SAL and SEA-YEG;SY Adds PDX-HNL;UA EWR-POS to Daily,HDN-IAH Dropped for Summer

Can anyone venture on why DL cut LAX-SAL since every time I've taken that flight, it's always been full. I highly doubt it's JV venture with AM. :old: Airline rule # 1: Full plane doesn't mean its a profitable flight DL probably dropped route for the same reasons AA and UA did in the past -- lack o...

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by Rdh3e
Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX to Aruba
Replies: 67
Views: 7252

Re: lax yo Aruba

Capt.Fantastic wrote:
winginit wrote:
and routes like LAXMBJ (AA, red-eye) only exist because they're heavily subsidized.


American flies LAX-MBJ? I couldn't find it in the current schedules.

Was a Friday eastbound redeye and Saturday morning return. Looks like it ended in August and isn't coming back.

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by Rdh3e
Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX to Aruba
Replies: 67
Views: 7252

Re: lax yo Aruba

A non-stop from the West Coast would require a widebody. No airline is going to take that much risk on an unproven vacation market. Not really. It's definitely doable on a 737MAX (LAX-AUA, for example, is shorter than EZE-PUJ, which AR used a 737-MAX8 on) or A32xneo and of course, 757s. It's defini...

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by Rdh3e
Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX to Aruba
Replies: 67
Views: 7252

Re: lax yo Aruba

A non-stop from the West Coast would require a widebody. No airline is going to take that much risk on an unproven vacation market.

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by Rdh3e
Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United announces new employee incentive program; focus on D:00 departures
Replies: 81
Views: 12258

Re: United announces new employee incentive program; focus on D:00 departures

SELMER40 wrote:
UPlog wrote:
achieves top spot for D:00 departure timeliness.


Who collects and reports the data as to which airline is in the top spot?

All of the major airlines participate in a stat sharing program for DOT reportable metrics. Waiting for the DOT to post them would take forever.

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by Rdh3e
Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United announces new employee incentive program; focus on D:00 departures
Replies: 81
Views: 12258

Re: United announces new employee incentive program; focus on D:00 departures

Unless UA publicizes that CSAT matters (and maybe they are to elites; I don’t hold UA status), CSAT reliance is problematic. Like most customers, I don’t fill out surveys for flights that meet my expectations, and on my typical UA stage length (<600 miles), it’s hard for the crew to go so far above...

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by Rdh3e
Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United announces new employee incentive program; focus on D:00 departures
Replies: 81
Views: 12258

Re: United announces new employee incentive program; focus on D:00 departures

Under the revised program, eligible employees can earn up to $125 per month bonus if airline hits two goals based on 1) customer survey result scores, and 2) achieves top spot for D:00 departure timeliness. Everyone seems to be complaining that a D:00 focus would disservice customers while simultan...

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by Rdh3e
Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United announces new employee incentive program; focus on D:00 departures
Replies: 81
Views: 12258

Re: UA announces new employee incentive program; focus on D:00 departures

UA does not use brake release for D:00 they use push back.

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by Rdh3e
Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SkyWest to sell ExpressJet
Replies: 67
Views: 9853

Re: SkyWest to sell ExpressJet

Allow me to clarify - the guy who owns a majority stake in CommutAir is one of the guys behind ManaAir. And you can cite your source? 1- ManaAir, LLC is a Delaware Corporation. ManaAir, LLC is owned by KAir Enterprises, INC and United as a minority joint owner. 2- KAir Enterprises, INC is a Georgia...

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by Rdh3e
Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SkyWest to sell ExpressJet
Replies: 67
Views: 9853

Re: SkyWest to sell ExpressJet

I seem to recall, Mana Air is also majority owner of CommutAir. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the two carriers combined. Different company. Perhaps you could take a minute to check your facts before posting? "Headquartered in North Olmsted, Ohio, CommutAir, operating as United Express, was fo...

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by Rdh3e
Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SkyWest to sell ExpressJet
Replies: 67
Views: 9853

Re: SkyWest to sell ExpressJet

I seem to recall, Mana Air is also majority owner of CommutAir. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the two carriers combined. Different company. Perhaps you could take a minute to check your facts before posting? "Headquartered in North Olmsted, Ohio, CommutAir, operating as United Express, was fo...

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by Rdh3e
Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SkyWest to sell ExpressJet
Replies: 67
Views: 9853

Re: SkyWest to sell ExpressJet

LOL “Expressjet has been a boat anchor.” Sorry, but Skywest is the one who negotiated their contracts, set their SOP’s, and had the power to manage every detail of their operations. If Expressjet wasn’t performing, that’s on Skywest. Actually, most of EV's contracts were negotiated prior to OO buyi...

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by Rdh3e
Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 12/16/2018:AS Drops ATL-PDX;DL Drops ASE-LAX, Adds MEX-MSP;UA Dops SFO-MIA, Adds SFO-YYZ
Replies: 67
Views: 10385

Re: OAG Changes 12/16/2018:AS Drops ATL-PDX;DL Drops ASE-LAX, Adds MEX-MSP;UA Dops SFO-MIA, Adds SFO-YYZ

Sorry I just reread what I wrote and I wasn't as clear as I could have been earlier. YYZ-SFO is carved out of the ATI agreement as there is no competitor on it (WS doesn't serve the market.) UA and AC can (and do) codeshare on the route but they can't co-ordinate schedules or pricing. Are you sure ...

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by Rdh3e
Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA announces SFO-DEL/MEL/YYZ; Expands AKL/AMS/PPT/ICN.
Replies: 507
Views: 68993

Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

I know, ORD is getting love from everyone except UA, the so-called "hometown airline". I think it is fair to start asking some serious questions of UA's true level of commitment to ORD if they are not included in this in any way tomorrow. .. United is both the largest and fastest growing ...

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by Rdh3e
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans
Replies: 144
Views: 25965

Re: Denver International Airport Expansion Plans

UA’s growth spurt at DEN came at the expense of IAH. I don’t recall UA saying they’d plan to be at 600 daily flights in the near future, nor is it realistic - a 33% increase in movements would surely generate a substantial capacity increase. . Scott Kirby said UA planned to grow 50% in Denver durin...

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by Rdh3e
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Possible Strike at Flair Airlines
Replies: 29
Views: 3450

Re: Possible Strike at Flair Airlines

longhauler wrote:
Flair is not a "new airline". Some of the Flight Attendants have 13 years seniority.

In which case the "new airlines can't get the same fare" argument shouldn't apply right? That is the argument I was responding to.

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by Rdh3e
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Possible Strike at Flair Airlines
Replies: 29
Views: 3450

Re: Possible Strike at Flair Airlines

But if you start a new and unknown airline and if you want to compete on the same routes as existing airlines, the costs and fares that you charge have to be lower than the competition, or else you will be out of business fast. A new airline already has the "juniority" advantage. Their co...

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by Rdh3e
Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Possible Strike at Flair Airlines
Replies: 29
Views: 3450

Re: Possible Strike at Flair Airlines

I'm a very pro union guy, and is just ludicrous. . Its a new carrier. You'll certainly strike yourself out of a job. If your business can't afford to pay a fair wage to the employees required to run it then you don't have a real business and don't deserve to succeed. If it's a cash issue then they ...

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by Rdh3e
Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska maps out airport expansion at West Coast bases
Replies: 101
Views: 13957

Re: Alaska maps out airport expansion at West Coast bases

Another angle to consider...the so called “1%” tend to have their own private aircraft. The next lower demographic will charter or have jet sharing. Then you get to the F-class demo. To make the top 1% in the US you have to have an income of $301K. That is a lot, but not the kind of money you are d...

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by Rdh3e
Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska maps out airport expansion at West Coast bases
Replies: 101
Views: 13957

Re: Alaska maps out airport expansion at West Coast bases

Getting facilities at LAX and SFO doesn't actually mean using facilities (and certainly not at the same utilization as existing gates). Sometimes the game is just keeping facilities away from competitors. That's not how it works. SFO airport reallocates gates based (essentially) on who is utilizing...

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by Rdh3e
Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:26 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will the US ever have another mega carrier ?
Replies: 38
Views: 7641

Re: Will the US ever have another mega carrier ?

For a mega carrier to develop, one needs access to slots in some critical market where the carrier can extend dominance. For AS, outside of SEA, it has no such access. At JFK, and one can question if that airport can quality as dominant for the NYC market, JetBlue barely controls 25% or so. CompAre...

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by Rdh3e
Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:00 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Biggest hubs/for/single airline in the World
Replies: 14
Views: 3401

Re: Biggest hubs/for/single airline in the World

lightsaber wrote:
DXB barely making the list shows how impacted DXB truly is.

If you go by seats as I mentioned the list is very different and EK DXB jumps to #2.

Why was this thread moved? This is clearly not a polls and preferences topic and moving it will prevent any meaningful discussion.

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by Rdh3e
Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Biggest hubs/for/single airline in the World
Replies: 14
Views: 3401

Re: Biggest hubs/for/single airline in the World

Any others you can think of, with figures? This is every major airline hub over 250 daily departures for the month of December 2018. The list is pretty dramatically different if you go by seats, but we're talking about flights here. Rank, Airline, Hub, Avg Daily Departures for Dec18 1 DL ATL 873 2 ...

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by Rdh3e
Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX
Replies: 99
Views: 14930

Re: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX

AirFiero wrote:

What about recovering their investment in building the terminal? Why wouldn’t they advertise to help the airlines succeed? If the airlines pull out, the company is stuck with the costs of building the terminal.

The airlines signed 5 year agreements.

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by Rdh3e
Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX
Replies: 99
Views: 14930

Re: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX

If marketing the airport helps increase traffic by say 10% than if they didn't do any marketing, that will bring additional revenue that otherwise wouldn't have been realized. Investors would want those returns. Unless marketing increases airport revenue on more than a 1-1 basis it is a money loser...

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by Rdh3e
Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX
Replies: 99
Views: 14930

Re: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX

Here's a big problem on that. Airline's hardly do marketing any more beyond emails. 99% of the route marketing you see is paid by the airport. I'd be shocked if Paine puts money into marketing. The new terminal is being funded and built by a New York-based private investment firm, using private cap...

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by Rdh3e
Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Next Route Announcement Coming Soon (DEN-FRA)
Replies: 44
Views: 7649

Re: United Next Route Announcement Coming Soon (DEN-FRA)

I wonder if DEN would ever be a small 787 base. Seems like they might be able to rotate between 4 aircraft, with the NRT departing flight having to come from elsewhere. Like a XXX-DEN-NRT-DEN-LHR-DEN-FRA-DEN-XXX rotation UA is already doing 787 maintenance in DEN so it's probably not out of the que...

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by Rdh3e
Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:28 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Shooting the breeze with a WN pilot about Hawaii
Replies: 29
Views: 2939

Re: Shooting the breeze with a WN pilot about Hawaii

The hold up is they still have not been certified for ETOPS. They apparently dramatically underestimated how long it would take when they announced their initial timeline. How can G4 get ETOPS is a reasonable timeframe but it has taken WN years? I can't explain it, but that appears to be the issue....

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by Rdh3e
Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX
Replies: 99
Views: 14930

Re: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX

UA IAH-MCI APR 2>5[5] That's quite the frequency jump. There are several other jumps from IAH, I wonder what is motivating UA....though it's nice seeing them shift some attention back to Houston. Not that I mind generally but I find that interesting There is no jump. Last week's report contained ma...

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by Rdh3e
Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US3 Hub Connection Flow vs Local Enplanement stats
Replies: 21
Views: 4278

Re: US3 Hub Connection Flow vs Local Enplanement stats

Also surprised DEN and PHL aren't on the list. Both slightly below the Top-10 cut off. DEN was 37.3 and PHL 33.1 percent connection flow. As others noted these are for the entire airport and not for the legacy airline alone which makes them essentially useless for the purpose of evaluating the lega...

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by Rdh3e
Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX
Replies: 99
Views: 14930

Re: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX

The very limited footprint of Sea-Tac will forever limit its ability to grow, the Seattle area will need a 2nd airport sooner or later. SEA O&D has been growing in part due to ongoing fare wars that make it very cheap to fly. SEA has for a number of years had the lowest or near the lowest avera...

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by Rdh3e
Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thanksgiving 2018
Replies: 13
Views: 2256

Re: Thanksgiving 2018

Thanksgiving is not the busiest travel period of the year. There's another thread on this. This is the highest seat capacity day of the year for domestic. It is about 1.5% higher than we had on the peak days of summer. 11/25 - 2.994M seats 7/20 - 2.950M seats (next highest day of the year) Thanksgi...

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by Rdh3e
Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX
Replies: 99
Views: 14930

Re: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=DEN-VPS


I believe that is Saturday only from reading the other thread. I only included daily flights.
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Runway28L wrote:
You forgot seasonal DEN-VPS (1,210 mi) which runs this upcoming March on an E145.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=DEN-VPS


I believe that is Saturday only from reading the other thread. I only included daily flights.

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by Rdh3e
Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX
Replies: 99
Views: 14930

Re: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX

All the fights listed in the first half with the exception of DEN-TYS are under 1,000 and SFO-YYC is an E175. The only E145 flight on the bottom is the CRW flight, the rest are a mix of CRJ and 737. So basically you found one. You are incorrect. DEN TYS 1,162 mi IAH GRR 1,042 mi IAH CAK 1,085 mi IA...

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by Rdh3e
Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX
Replies: 99
Views: 14930

Re: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX

They still have 20 175sc on order that have not yet been allocated. How is this the best use of the limited aircraft given they are still flying 50 seaters over 1,000 miles in many cases? Many cases of the 145 used over 1,000 miles? Nope. Not anymore. There are many, or several, however you want to...

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by Rdh3e
Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thanksgiving 2018
Replies: 13
Views: 2256

Re: Thanksgiving 2018

DL - LAX 156 (+21), UA - LAX 158 (+18) I was under the impression that AA and DL were larger than UA at LAX and UA had slipped to a distant 3rd. Your numbers show that UA/DL are neck and neck at least by number of flights. Are weekday flights numbers this close as well? UA got 2 gates in April of t...

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by Rdh3e
Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX
Replies: 99
Views: 14930

Re: OAG Changes 11/25/2018:UA Adds PAE-DEN/SFO;DY Adds MAD-JFK/LAX

Kind of surprised UA has enough slack in the E175 fleet to commit to an all e-jet operation at PAE. Could just be a placeholder I guess, or not. On a side note, looks like mainline is returning to the morning SBA-DEN departure March 31st. They still have 20 175sc on order that have not yet been all...

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by Rdh3e
Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thanksgiving 2018
Replies: 13
Views: 2256

Thanksgiving 2018

We're now well underway with what (weather cooperating) may be the busiest air travel day in U.S. history. That in mind I thought it would be fun to take a look at how each of the legacies changes their schedules for today. It's amazing what DL is able to do in ATL. This will be the largest day of t...

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by Rdh3e
Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:39 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Shooting the breeze with a WN pilot about Hawaii
Replies: 29
Views: 2939

Re: Shooting the breeze with a WN pilot about Hawaii

Now if Spirit or Frontier were to start Hawaii, that would be another story. Those are ULCCs, something that so far is unknown to Hawaii. It's something that Hawaiian has no experience dealing with. They'd be totally blown out of the market. Not saying they can't adapt, after all the legacies on th...

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by Rdh3e
Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:09 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Shooting the breeze with a WN pilot about Hawaii
Replies: 29
Views: 2939

Re: Shooting the breeze with a WN pilot about Hawaii

The hold up is they still have not been certified for ETOPS. They apparently dramatically underestimated how long it would take when they announced their initial timeline.

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by Rdh3e
Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA Continues DEN Expansion - New Flights to SRQ/VPS/PBI/PNS/BRO
Replies: 41
Views: 5481

Re: UA Continues DEN Expansion - New Flights to SRQ/VPS/PBI/PNS/BRO

drdisque wrote:
DEN-VPS is 1210 miles. If I recall the longest ERJ route UA/CO ran was IAH-YYZ at 1280 miles.

IAH-BOI which was 1,482mi.

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by Rdh3e
Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS Announces long awaited PAE flights on sale now, WN transfers slots to AS
Replies: 143
Views: 18692

Re: AS Announces long awaited PAE flights on sale now, WN transfers slots to AS

BA wrote:
I definitely expect AS to upgauge several flights to 737s pretty quickly and possibly UA as well.

Care to elaborate on your rationale?

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by Rdh3e
Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS Announces long awaited PAE flights on sale now, WN transfers slots to AS
Replies: 143
Views: 18692

Re: AS Announces long awaited PAE flights on sale now, WN transfers slots to AS

During the WN failed attempt to relocate to BFI the airports board of directors agreed to ban any type of future airline operations at BFI. Kenmor Air, UPS and FedEx have a grandfather exemption if they leave they will not be able to return. BFI will never happen again. Flyguy If an airport takes F...

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by Rdh3e
Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 11/11/2018:AA Drops CHA-ORD,MEX-PHL;AS Drops FCA-PDX;NK Adds MCO-KIN/MBJ/DEN;UA Drops FAY-IAD,Adds FAT-ORD
Replies: 103
Views: 14129

Re: OAG Changes 11/11/2018:AA Drops CHA-ORD,MEX-PHL;AS Drops FCA-PDX;NK Adds MCO-KIN/MBJ/DEN;UA Drops FAY-IAD,Adds FAT-O

ericm2031 wrote:
Interesting to see UA bring back FAT-ORD on mainline this year

It's shows E75 for the summer. I wonder which period is wrong, seems odd to fly mainline off-peak and regional in peak.

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by Rdh3e
Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA applies for second daily EWR-PVG
Replies: 47
Views: 7144

Re: UA applies for second daily EWR-PVG

??? DL already flies to PVG from SEA, LAX, DTW, and ATL. If they wanted, say JFK-PVG, they would've just asked for that. They're applying for MSP-PVG because they want to fly it. The hubs that can support a PVG flight already have one. DL would certainly like a second LAX I'm sure before MSP. They ...

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