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by joeman
Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Houston is also currently the 2nd largest market in the U.S. (after NYC) that doesn't currently have any nonstop service out of CLE on any LCC's or ULCC's, and Houston is also currently the largest market in the U.S. that doesn't currently have nonstop service out of CLE on more than 1 airline. Whe...

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by joeman
Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

If you add Youngstown-Warren, OH-PA Combined Statistical Area, 645,003. We're stuck with two underperforming airports in a large, but stagnant region...A professionally-run, as non-political as feasible, regional airport commission for CLE would be helpful in advancing the interests of CLE. I'm all...

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by joeman
Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Runway28L wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Looks like UA is pulling the plug on CLE-BOS in March. They lasted longer than I expected.

Wouldn't be surprised if DL jumps on this route.

Nice opportunity for B6 to add frequencies as well.

Yay B6/NK!!!

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by joeman
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Happy to hear Icelandair advertising on radio this morning accepting reservations for spring

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by joeman
Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

S19 v S18 will see slight ASM growth but departure count down from 22 to 21. As mentioned 1 LAS swapped for 1 DEN, 1 MDW swapped to STL, 1 MDW dropped. Longer stage lengths to STL and DEN, by my rough calculations, show about a 2% increase in ASM despite the lower departure count. YAY SW Literally ...

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by joeman
Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Obviously winter months are slow for travel to Iceland, but if they can’t make up the difference (on a lowly 737) with Europe-bound connections, that’s pretty unimpressive. But hey, any day now for a major long-haul carrier with 777’s, right? We all realize CLE is no CHS now about to get seasonal B...

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Exactly, CLE wasn't the only city to get hosed by our "committed carriers", but a.netters outside the region of speculation almost always side with any airline PR/stats as gospel tHe CleVeLAnd HuB nEveR MadE a pROfiT eVerrrrrr Is there some sort of hidden message in here or something? Pro...

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Just like STL you all got hosed by WW. Watch this and note the part of the 5-Sept email WW send to the airport. Then they totally change their mind in the PR release and make the airport/city look like it was them. https://www.kmov.com/news/wow-air-pulling-out-of-st-louis-saying-summer-performance/...

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

To add to the reply above: I did a quick and dirty estimate based on June international numbers out of CLE that said CLE traffic was somewhere around 130-140 pax per KEF flight (5 weekly by FI; 4 weekly by WW). That's not so bad if you are FI flying 160-pax B737Ms; but not so great if you're WW flyi...

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

N766UA wrote:
You’d better believe any foreign carriers with even a smidge of interest in maybe flying to Cleveland will take notice.

I'd expect the same for STL

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 136
Views: 15431

Re: WW ending STL

It sounds like STL was requiring WW to operate service year round to receive the subsidy, where perhaps other airports were only requiring seasonal service for their subsidies. Maybe the winter operation created too much red ink. Perhaps WW simply looked at the losses they were incurring to operate...

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by joeman
Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Scene magazine article on WOW ending CLE: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/10/16/wow-air-announces-it-will-permanently-end-direct-flights-out-of-cleveland-at-the-end-of-this-month No surprise as practically anticipated by all. Should free up some of the incentive cash offered...

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by joeman
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines to announce new markets soon
Replies: 631
Views: 65222

Re: Alaska Airlines to announce new markets soon

with maybe 40 flights annually on F9: CLE-SEA, can't believe F9 has actually kept it alive at all given their consistency track record

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by joeman
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

As for the air service at CLE, I don't think it is really lucky to have the service it does nor does it "deserve" more. The amount of service it has is pretty typical for a city its size. Would it be nice to have a few more routes and a flight to continental Europe, sure. Agreed. I don't ...

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by joeman
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Global warming + sunbelt = actual rust belt & CLE renaissance Every year the government says the Southwest will run out of water the following year. Maybe one day it actually will, stopping the Midwestern population decline. As it is, Millenials $&!#* about the high cost of housing along th...

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by joeman
Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Geowizical wrote:
Does CLE-AZA still exist, or was the Allegiant suspension news just false reporting with old route information?

Who knows? G4 started CLE-AZA during winter 2017 when they 1st opened CLE and not since.

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by joeman
Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Like many, I believe WW will bow out of the sudden CLE-KEV saturation and that FI is now changing the proposed winter service due to their recent negative financial publicity. For a long time I thought before US "2nd tier" TATL broke out that FI could maybe make a CLE-Europe work and I bel...

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by joeman
Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland
Replies: 84
Views: 9204

Re: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland

Like many, I believe WW will bow out of the sudden CLE-KEV saturation and that FI is now changing the proposed winter service due to their recent negative financial publicity. For a long time I thought before US "2nd tier" TATL broke out that FI could maybe make a CLE-Europe work and I bel...

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by joeman
Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Trk1 wrote:

When's Kennedy going to make the new TATL announcement for 2019 service?

I'm not optimistic at all, hope I'm wrong...

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by joeman
Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

So possibly ends another debate on CLE getting the shaft on year round TATL or TATL at all after all the a.netter CO hub debate ending with a conclusion that such a concept can't work. Glad TATL finally broke out from our "second tier" or I mean second rate cities per a.net snobs. Hope CMH...

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by joeman
Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Just heard that AS will begin CMH-SEA service in March 2019. CLE-SEA has about 75% MORE demand than does CMH. Makes no sense. Year Qtr Market Pax both ways combined 2017 2 CMH-SEA 241 2017 3 CMH-SEA 288 2017 2 CLE-SEA 341 2017 3 CLE-SEA 463 Who’s to say that CLE isn’t coming soon? AS clearly has ex...

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by joeman
Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I took a few pix of the Port Authority's awesome FIS at Dock 28 next to the stadium, but can't upload them. You can see it on my Facebook page if you want. https://www.facebook.com/robert.salmon.716 Wow, looks like an abandoned trailer from a rural area or a fort I built for some kids back in the d...

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by joeman
Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

We have a similar situation in PDX but there they have a shuttle bus that takes us, after clearing customs, straight to the bag claim hall. If I'm not mistaking a shuttle bus was also used at CLE during the CO international flight days...The below level was a single story concourse before being dou...

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by joeman
Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Filler again, posted 3 times, no luck with delete post option.

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by joeman
Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

filler

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by joeman
Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I thought the first transatlantic service from Hopkins was on JAT Yugoslavia... Not sure if JAT service was a "regular schedule" or operated much like the seasonal weekly "charters" of World Airways/Condor to Frankfurt, Rich International/Air Canada to London, and I believe even...

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by joeman
Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

You're absolutely correct. CO began CLE-LGW in June 1999, the height of their hub ops with about 300 daily flights. On year later the PD reported the flight was doing "jolly well" and ahead of expectations. Shortly after, CO started whining they weren't getting enough connecting traffic an...

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by joeman
Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I wonder how the earlier referenced and supposedly in the works additional TATL to the European mainland is doing

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by joeman
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Ok it’s official we have a quorum. Fantastic. CLEguy, mbm3, and me. I’m going to suggest a couple of times by the end of the weekend. It’ll be a little awkward to coordinate times over a forum but I don’t know how else to do it. Normally I’d gather ideas for an agenda ahead of time, but that is tou...

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by joeman
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

All the shade being thrown at City Hall for the condition of the airport might be a good reason for the business community and media to push for a separate regional authority to oversee the airport, perhaps including BKL and CAK, so the City admin can concentrate on constituent gripes, but it won't ...

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by joeman
Thu May 17, 2018 5:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities
Replies: 84
Views: 10178

Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Surprised there’s so much talk about BOS; I get that it’s an old city, but it seems like too much of a statement for a relatively... un-exotic route? It would have been exotic and historic compared to places like Charlotte, Cleveland, Columbus, Oklahoma City, Omaha and Tulsa. What’s wrong with Char...

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by joeman
Wed May 02, 2018 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Here's an article describing the reactions of European travel agents to their 36-hour visit to Cleveland: http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2018/04/36_hours_in_cleveland_european.html Sweet. Objective opinions from outside of our national media/entertainment sources still promoting the 50 y...

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by joeman
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Massey--that's cool. I am intrigued as well by the great lakes cruises. I hope those that dock in Cleveland on these cruises get enough time to see some Cleveland. The FIS for these cruisers is pretty rustic and will not be a good impression on CLE. It's a tent in the parking lot. I know the Port ...

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by joeman
Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Massey--that's cool. I am intrigued as well by the great lakes cruises. I hope those that dock in Cleveland on these cruises get enough time to see some Cleveland. It looks like they have a full day like most cruise ship stops. Don't want to deviate from the aviation topics but for the benefit of ...

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by joeman
Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

flyPIT wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
CLE will get both "visitors" and "tourists".

All tourists are visitors, but not all visitors are tourists. Again, the article said 30,000 European visitors, which makes sense. I'd expect the number of tourists to be well below that number.

Totally agreed

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by joeman
Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

CLE-SAN, a market that seems as if it should have non-stop service but doesn't, in Q3,2017 had 328 pax per day both ways, Another city pair with nonstop service prior to deregulation. No sense lamenting, but prior to deregulation, the hub focus, practically every legacy airline serving every city p...

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by joeman
Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

chrisjake wrote:
I'm only familiar with Spirit's ops in CLE, do they operate any city pairs multiple times per day?

In a some markets from ORD, BOS and DTW, and others such as DTW-MCO, maybe around 3 max, usually 2 on multiples at a glance at their PDF timetable.

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by joeman
Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

chrisjake wrote:

...doesn't look like it.......and my city's bigger than yours.

looking like casual common sense comments are returning without sniping, so far, from those who enjoy it...just because

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by joeman
Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Didn't Icelandair increase initial CLE service from 4 to 5 weekly competing with WOW, unlike our other 3 friends getting new WOW flights, even if WOW is lagging in CLE by comparison?

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by joeman
Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

flyPIT wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
^Note that if you include Akron and Canton into the Cleveland MSA--which would make it comparable to the "Chicago" and New York" MSA".


Did you seriously type that?


Right or wrong I think the reference was about post recession growth in reply #393

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

compensateme wrote:
joeman wrote:
compensateme wrote:

Presenting facts is trolling, but making stuff up isn't?

What was made up?


The posting I responded to. Sorry facts hurt your feelings :(.

I apologize for being defensive :roll:

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

compensateme wrote:
joeman wrote:
compensateme wrote:
I

No one countering the repetition, I'm a CLE person, whose trolling?


Presenting facts is trolling, but making stuff up isn't?

What was made up?

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Repetitious breaking down for CLE fans that they're on the way back to the stagnant place they belong and the notion that it's among the only few low fare markets Do you have anything to counter my assertions, or are you here to troll because what I wrote hurt your feelings? I No has or is debating...

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Repetitious breaking down for CLE fans that they're on the way back to the stagnant place they belong and the notion that it's among the only few low fare markets Do you have anything to counter my assertions, or are you here to troll because what I wrote hurt your feelings? I No one countering the...

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Yes, Yes, Yes...CLE is among has amongst the lowest fares in the nation. In the ball park of Chi-town and CVG but slightly higher: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/AIRFARES/ What's your point? Repetitious breaking down for CLE fans that they're on the way back to the stagnant place they belong and the...

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

[WN may not grow their presence at CLE as fast as other cities, but they add basically every year, slowly but surely. Not only that, I can't recall the last time they got rid of a destination from CLE. When they open up service to a new city, it tends to stick. I think we have more pressing needs t...

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by joeman
Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1845
Views: 166604

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

I wonder how much of WW and/or FI's disinterest in starting CMH (at the time) had to do with the city not being a "name brand" outside the US. None of the cities in the Midwest are particularly flashy, but I feel like there's probably some more name recognition to a Cleveland, Pittsburgh,...

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by joeman
Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 147052

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Welcome additions by AA and DL, especially after the F9 cuts!

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by joeman
Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How to Revive Airline Competition
Replies: 81
Views: 6172

Re: How to Revive Airline Competition

Is there currently not enough competition among airlines in the states? The najot markets will always have enough competetion but in secondary market the competition suffers. Our ivory tower friends always find a way to dispute this concept. Secondary markets are always and primarily well served th...

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