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by joeman
Thu May 17, 2018 5:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SAT touts “historic” route announcement - F9 to multiple cities
Replies: 84
Views: 9901

Re: SAT touts “historic” route announcement tomorrow

Surprised there’s so much talk about BOS; I get that it’s an old city, but it seems like too much of a statement for a relatively... un-exotic route? It would have been exotic and historic compared to places like Charlotte, Cleveland, Columbus, Oklahoma City, Omaha and Tulsa. What’s wrong with Char...

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by joeman
Wed May 02, 2018 12:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Here's an article describing the reactions of European travel agents to their 36-hour visit to Cleveland: http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2018/04/36_hours_in_cleveland_european.html Sweet. Objective opinions from outside of our national media/entertainment sources still promoting the 50 y...

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by joeman
Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Massey--that's cool. I am intrigued as well by the great lakes cruises. I hope those that dock in Cleveland on these cruises get enough time to see some Cleveland. The FIS for these cruisers is pretty rustic and will not be a good impression on CLE. It's a tent in the parking lot. I know the Port ...

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by joeman
Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Massey--that's cool. I am intrigued as well by the great lakes cruises. I hope those that dock in Cleveland on these cruises get enough time to see some Cleveland. It looks like they have a full day like most cruise ship stops. Don't want to deviate from the aviation topics but for the benefit of ...

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by joeman
Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

flyPIT wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
CLE will get both "visitors" and "tourists".

All tourists are visitors, but not all visitors are tourists. Again, the article said 30,000 European visitors, which makes sense. I'd expect the number of tourists to be well below that number.

Totally agreed

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by joeman
Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

CLE-SAN, a market that seems as if it should have non-stop service but doesn't, in Q3,2017 had 328 pax per day both ways, Another city pair with nonstop service prior to deregulation. No sense lamenting, but prior to deregulation, the hub focus, practically every legacy airline serving every city p...

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by joeman
Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

chrisjake wrote:
I'm only familiar with Spirit's ops in CLE, do they operate any city pairs multiple times per day?

In a some markets from ORD, BOS and DTW, and others such as DTW-MCO, maybe around 3 max, usually 2 on multiples at a glance at their PDF timetable.

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by joeman
Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

chrisjake wrote:

...doesn't look like it.......and my city's bigger than yours.

looking like casual common sense comments are returning without sniping, so far, from those who enjoy it...just because

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by joeman
Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Didn't Icelandair increase initial CLE service from 4 to 5 weekly competing with WOW, unlike our other 3 friends getting new WOW flights, even if WOW is lagging in CLE by comparison?

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by joeman
Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

flyPIT wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
^Note that if you include Akron and Canton into the Cleveland MSA--which would make it comparable to the "Chicago" and New York" MSA".


Did you seriously type that?


Right or wrong I think the reference was about post recession growth in reply #393

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

compensateme wrote:
joeman wrote:
compensateme wrote:

Presenting facts is trolling, but making stuff up isn't?

What was made up?


The posting I responded to. Sorry facts hurt your feelings :(.

I apologize for being defensive :roll:

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

compensateme wrote:
joeman wrote:
compensateme wrote:
I

No one countering the repetition, I'm a CLE person, whose trolling?


Presenting facts is trolling, but making stuff up isn't?

What was made up?

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Repetitious breaking down for CLE fans that they're on the way back to the stagnant place they belong and the notion that it's among the only few low fare markets Do you have anything to counter my assertions, or are you here to troll because what I wrote hurt your feelings? I No has or is debating...

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Repetitious breaking down for CLE fans that they're on the way back to the stagnant place they belong and the notion that it's among the only few low fare markets Do you have anything to counter my assertions, or are you here to troll because what I wrote hurt your feelings? I No one countering the...

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Yes, Yes, Yes...CLE is among has amongst the lowest fares in the nation. In the ball park of Chi-town and CVG but slightly higher: https://www.transtats.bts.gov/AIRFARES/ What's your point? Repetitious breaking down for CLE fans that they're on the way back to the stagnant place they belong and the...

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by joeman
Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

[WN may not grow their presence at CLE as fast as other cities, but they add basically every year, slowly but surely. Not only that, I can't recall the last time they got rid of a destination from CLE. When they open up service to a new city, it tends to stick. I think we have more pressing needs t...

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by joeman
Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1094
Views: 86889

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

I wonder how much of WW and/or FI's disinterest in starting CMH (at the time) had to do with the city not being a "name brand" outside the US. None of the cities in the Midwest are particularly flashy, but I feel like there's probably some more name recognition to a Cleveland, Pittsburgh,...

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by joeman
Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Welcome additions by AA and DL, especially after the F9 cuts!

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by joeman
Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How to Revive Airline Competition
Replies: 81
Views: 5992

Re: How to Revive Airline Competition

Is there currently not enough competition among airlines in the states? The najot markets will always have enough competetion but in secondary market the competition suffers. Our ivory tower friends always find a way to dispute this concept. Secondary markets are always and primarily well served th...

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by joeman
Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United warns of more layoffs in CLE
Replies: 47
Views: 6705

Re: United warns of more layoffs in CLE

What's the point of rehashing this? The only real data we have shows CLE already hit UA hub pax totals running on mostly O&D. United profitability aside there was plenty of local demand being squashed by the hub. Me thinks that's why CAK did so well for a few decades. Why? Why would UA intentio...

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by joeman
Fri Mar 02, 2018 4:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United warns of more layoffs in CLE
Replies: 47
Views: 6705

Re: United warns of more layoffs in CLE

What's the point of rehashing this? The only real data we have shows CLE already hit UA hub pax totals running on mostly O&D. United profitability aside there was plenty of local demand being squashed by the hub. Me thinks that's why CAK did so well for a few decades. Why? Why would UA intentio...

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by joeman
Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United warns of more layoffs in CLE
Replies: 47
Views: 6705

Re: United warns of more layoffs in CLE

Government and big business never involve gaming

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by joeman
Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United warns of more layoffs in CLE
Replies: 47
Views: 6705

Re: United warns of more layoffs in CLE

Cleveland airport lease restructuring: During 2016, the City of Cleveland agreed to amend the company's lease, which runs through 2029, associated with certain excess airport terminal space (principally Terminal D) and related facilities at Hopkins International Airport. The company recorded an accr...

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by joeman
Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United warns of more layoffs in CLE
Replies: 47
Views: 6705

Re: United warns of more layoffs in CLE

United has sent out a memo to airport employees (Customer service and Ramp) in Cleveland that unless they get enough employees to take a COLA they could be terminated. We are not sure at this point if they are planning a schedule reduction, because we currently work short-staffed. At this point I w...

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by joeman
Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Considering the long stage length of CLE-PDX, the fact that this route survived again with all the cuts needed to create F9’s expansion elsewhere really emphasizes the demand between CLE and the Pacific Northwest. From Enrilia latest OAG changes: F9 CLE-SEA JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 0.4>0.2 So this kind of s...

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by joeman
Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Considering the long stage length of CLE-PDX, the fact that this route survived again with all the cuts needed to create F9’s expansion elsewhere really emphasizes the demand between CLE and the Pacific Northwest. Agreed. I can remember a notion of inadequate CLE-Pacific Northwest as a goal from Ri...

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by joeman
Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Poor performance. $49 fares to LAX and $29 to MCO (among other fares) are great for passengers, but simply not sustainable. Take advantage of them while they last. CLE the only market they do this from? No...Wondering how well they'll do with routes like the upcoming PHL-MSN The aforementioned are ...

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by joeman
Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Why is F9 cutting so much in CLE--esp. after recently announcing connecting flights in CLE (and a few other cities)? Poor performance. $49 fares to LAX and $29 to MCO (among other fares) are great for passengers, but simply not sustainable. Take advantage of them while they last. CLE the only mark...

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by joeman
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 813
Views: 67016

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Aer Lingus is an intriguing suggestion. They already serve a secondary market in the US, BDL, and are starting PHL in March 2018. They also serve over an additional 100 destinations across the world through codeshare and interline agreements with Air Canada, British Airways, Etihad Airways, Flybe, ...

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by joeman
Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155193

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

lakeeffect wrote:
Then again, wasn’t there an announcement several years ago that a flight to Kansas City was going to be announced? We’re still waiting.


ncflyer wrote:
The airport director did everything but hold a press conference for new SLC service by year end.

Maybe Condor someday

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by joeman
Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1379
Views: 155193

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    greenair727 wrote:
    ^not good, but certainly its under some type of contractor warranty, no?

    Certainly so, unless it actually fits into the "but its CLE so who knows" dis remark above.

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    by joeman
    Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:51 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    3 airlines now on CLE-MSY. NK year round, so far, now less then daily, G4 twice weekly seasonally, and WN 1 wkly for a few weeks. Great. and good for especially MSY cause I gotta believe the WN add is more about MSY. Great for CLE that we got 2 airlines to KEV coming soon overnight. CLE will finally...

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    by joeman
    Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:28 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    Regardless of convenience or alternatives....I never understood the rationale for tearing the long term garage down unless the cost of removal was beneficial when compared to the long term revenue benefits and cost of upkeep.

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    by joeman
    Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:35 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    IMO, UA will shrink before it grows. Do you mean shrink in CLE or overall? I think UA got in Wall Street's dog house for shrinking too much (post-merger going from First to Worst? Bethune must be laughing his a** off) and of course they must react to Wall Street. So they reacted by buying a bunch o...

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    by joeman
    Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:21 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    filler..posted twice

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    by joeman
    Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:17 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    Rumors have been flying around at UA that some CLE maybe restored next spring!, SEA,SAN,PHX,LAS have been mentioned. If all of those came back, that would be surprising If any of those came back it would be a welcome surprise. I suppose F9 reductions to the west open possibilities despite fare wars...

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    by joeman
    Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:16 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    Rumors have been flying around at UA that some CLE maybe restored next spring!, SEA,SAN,PHX,LAS have been mentioned. If all of those came back, that would be surprising If any of those came back it would be a welcome surprise. I suppose F9 reductions to the west open possibilities despite fare wars...

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    by joeman
    Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:28 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    masseybrown wrote:
    Trk1 wrote:
    Expect more this year rather than less. Working on details at present. You have seen many in the past 30 days.


    Well, there's a holiday tease; but coming from our UA expert, I believe him.

    Hopefully, something involves CLE lol

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    by joeman
    Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:21 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    I then went to Icelandair and they don’t even have CLE as one of their cities??? Not sure how these flts/airlines are going to do I checked Icelandair website and checked/found CLE June departures leaving at 8:20pm. Here's their routemap: http://www.icelandair.us/information/travel-guide/routemap/ ...

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    by joeman
    Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:42 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    Losing AS to PIT has to be a blow to CLE's recruitment team. It's a prime carrier vs. the fickle routings of F9 and NK. Somehow, CLE needs to figure out how to win these routes. I guess no SLC and whatever was hinted at earlier in 2017 either. PIT provided $500K over 2 years for the flight. Did CLE...

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    by joeman
    Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:21 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    I'm happy PIT landed AS. Only a handful of larger markets to tap into in the Midwest/east, huh? CLE, CMH, CVG, CLT, maybe BDL or even BUF. I wonder if CLE will or ever could be on the AS map due to the F9 normally less than daily and seasonal only CLE-SEA route. We know how F9 is inconsistent in kee...

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    by joeman
    Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:34 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?
    Replies: 199
    Views: 23637

    Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

    zakuivcustom wrote:

    But just admit that MIA TPAC dominates all :white: (I mean, just look at the first 5 or 6 replies in this thread alone).


    Admitted!!! lol

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    by joeman
    Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:28 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?
    Replies: 199
    Views: 23637

    Re: Which city may become JAL’s next international destination?

    Is it me or are the VW to XYZ threads getting out of hand? Sorry CLE, CMH, CVG, IND, MCI, MKE, STL, and now DSM: You are not Chicago and Detroit! Sure, you may be more pro-business, but 10M O&D in Chicago is tough to beat. And MKE, sorry, Will county will go to ORD over MKE. Hell, there are bus...

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    by joeman
    Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:08 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Which US Airport Is Most Likely To Be Dehubbed?
    Replies: 100
    Views: 13599

    Re: Which US Airport Is Most Likely To Be Dehubbed?

    With the discussions going on in the forums about which airports are most likely to become hubs, I thought I would reverse the question and ask which airports are most likely to be dehubbed, or at the very least a decrease in service? IAD/PHX are easily the most at risk. UA's other east coast hubs ...

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    by joeman
    Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:44 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
    Replies: 1379
    Views: 155193

    Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

    Happy to see Icelandair finally added CLE to their route map!

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    by joeman
    Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:00 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
    Replies: 123
    Views: 10043

    Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

    Anyone have an adult answer on how connecting traffic affects PDEW? My apologies, I thought you were being sarcastic. Airlines report the details of your tariff to the DOT -- that is, what you paid for your flight, the number of coupons in your ticket, the routing you traveled, etc. The DOT uses th...

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    by joeman
    Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:34 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
    Replies: 123
    Views: 10043

    Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

    Not really caring whose got the bigger manhood but if a CLE-EWR-LHR routing only counts in the EWR-LHR passenger count how is either city properly measured? Much less the drive to other airport folks. Or am I mistaken on what I've read on this forum? If all the traffic on CLE-EWR-LHR comes from CLE...

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    by joeman
    Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:50 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
    Replies: 123
    Views: 10043

    Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

    I would disagree that CLE is a much bigger market than PIT. Maybe a little bigger, but for sure their catchment areas overlap a bit, too. All the same, I would love to see what you suggest happen, even if the likelihood is nearly nil. In terms of PDEW PIT is a much larger market to Europe than CLE,...

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    by joeman
    Fri Sep 29, 2017 1:30 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
    Replies: 123
    Views: 10043

    Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

    I will guarantee that if UA started a CVG-CLE flight, it would be gone within the year.... UE is only averaging 20 pax per flight... At least it's only a 30 passenger plane...LF doesn't mean profitable and blah blah blah... I stick by my earlier assertion Also, I never even mentioned whether or not...

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