Those hubs would likely still be closed absent the mergers of 2007-2015. STL and PIT were already gone. CVG, CLE, and MEM were heavily reliant on regional feed that used low-wage pilots doing time waiting to get called up to the big carriers. The airlines just wouldn't have been able to staff the f...
Jump to postThe fortress hubs generally did not develop as the result of mergers. There are a few for which that is true -- IAH (CO/TI), DTW (NW/RP), and MSP (also NW/RP) -- but those mergers happened decades ago. The other fortress hubs might have changed hands as the result of mergers, but most of the large ...
Jump to postTime to put the SJO thing to bed as far as I'm concerned-- as non Clevelanders keep pointing out to us-- it's such a reach. As has been pointed out already, ORD only has weekly service in spite of being a top 3 population metro area and top 5 airport. When UA pulled the hub plug 10 years ago the no...
Jump to postLiving near where Geauga, Cuyahoga, Summit and Portage Counties converge, this whole Cleveland vs. Akron thing being portrayed here is totally overblown.
Just my two cents.
All this talk of CLE-SJO is so odd. SJO isn’t even in CLE’s top 15 international markets ranked by demand lol. CLE-ICN has more PDEW for crying out loud. The SJO-ORD market is 130% larger than CLE-SJO and even then only supports seasonal Saturday service… with all the connectivity UA provides in Ch...
Jump to postTrk1 wrote:Spirit. Cutting. Cleveland to. Atl, Mia, lax. For march and April. And reducing mco
CLE-SJO would be a bit of regional draw as well. I really don't see MX/F9/NK starting PIT/CMH-SJO anytime soon. Does DL fly DTW-SJO? A market could be built from a seasonal 1x/2x weekly flight. Hoping CLE FIS can handle a CUN/PUJ/MBJ/SJO day. Certaintly would be testing it's limits if a flight or tw...
Jump to postNow this is interesting. Costa Rica? From a citation posted by JShenk83 in another thread: “With new direct services from cities like Cleveland, St. Louis, Austin, and others commencing just this year, we foresee strong continuation in arrivals from our core North American markets,” he said - he be...
Jump to postNK could offer routes that have both demand and are unique to CLE--in addition to their standard money makers--such as AUS and MCI. If they did that in every market, they'd be more profitable. Sounds like a way to burn money… you can’t fill CLE-AUS/MCI on a 320 with solely local traffic. That is co...
Jump to postmannymanatee wrote:What aircraft maintenance capabilities does kcle have. I know that united has a hangar here though I don’t know what aircraft they work on or how many aircraft it holds.
Didn't Spirit lease another gate at CLE right before the JetBlue merger was announced? Maybe now we'll see them use it, although they will probably do more cutting than expanding in the aftermath of the DoJ court win. (I'm assuming B6 won't appeal. I don't think they can afford to.) They already us...
Jump to postTrk1 wrote:United will resume non stops from Cleveland to Las Vegas and Phoenix starting on March 7
Lilj4425 wrote:Will there be enough demand though to keep both MCO and SFB with these new cities?
TPA gets quite a few Brits that have realized that the time saved at TPA makes up for the longer drive to the theme parks. I love how Brits like Orlando so much. Has more service than so many other American cities. Literally nothing more than some theme parks, nice hotels, and some convention cente...
Jump to post" Westmoreland airport contemplates future as airline merger looms " https://triblive.com/local/westmoreland/westmoreland-airport-contemplates-future-as-airline-merger-looms/ Site Selection Magazine has ranked Pittsburgh last among major cities in a ranking of investment in the Ohio River...
Jump to postI don’t know what specific plans F9 has for CLE but we can all agree they are in growth mode which isn’t a bad thing. Frontier wouldn’t be investing in the crew base if they didn’t see good financial numbers from the station. That’s all you can really discern from their recent actions.
Jump to postOnce the F9 crew base is established, I’ve heard it may be up to 35-daily departures on peak months. Probably enough to add 1-2mm pax right there. Do you think that F9 will connect pax or just O&D? For example, DEN>CLE>ATL? Yeah, easy, maybe more. F9 is already connecting pax through CLE. Conne...
Jump to postOnce the F9 crew base is established, I’ve heard it may be up to 35-daily departures on peak months.
Jump to postI heard the tunnel from C to D has some serious water damage. Does anyone know if this is true? The idea of using D as a temporary facility is looking a bit more realistic especially with the construction likely coming up. A lot has change economically since the work on the Master Plan was finished...
Jump to postA shame that concourse D has been shuttered for all these years. Surely it could be activated, at least temporarily until the first phase of the master plan is completed. Perhaps it could be used for charters. Or maybe for flights diverted to CLE to allow passengers to disembark while waiting rathe...
Jump to postIt appears with Issue 2 passing last night some of you have already started to partake because that is the ONLY logical explanation for some how taking an announcement by the worst ULCC in the US announcing a tiny base and somehow getting London, CDG and AMS service out of it while only able to sup...
Jump to postIn regards to gates, F9 would probably be fine with 5. E4A, E4B and E4C are hardstands directly to the side of the old expressjet hangar which I think would have room to fit 2 Airbus aircraft. United deals with this every night. They bring in more planes than they have gates and have to park many o...
Jump to postThis AUS AA pull back is about as surprising as BA cancelling LHR-CHS. Hype over substance.
Jump to postWhat I'm saying is DLs failure to actually build a focus city is what's really indicative of the failure of VSs service. on top of VS not having any meaningful connections in LHR. Honestly, who wants to connect through Austin when you’re only real international destination is/was LHR? It’s not a gr...
Jump to postNo. I'm saying if you're going to build a focus city/hub where connections are made, in order to get some kind of international service going, it's best to use the partner who would have an easier time serving the market instead of bad aircraft utilization. DL intended to lay the foundation of a la...
Jump to postThis isn’t about CAK, it’s about Breeze and JobsOhio. MX likely skipped out on CLE because of the higher landing/gate fees. Then they go to CAK and only market to that area and can’t attract enough pax on certain routes. Then they ask the state for a subsidy to keep their operation going so they can...
Jump to postIf MX can’t get CAK routes to work without help, why are they serving CAK? How much will they reduce when the subsidy runs out? Will MX keep asking for more? Is CAK essentially an EAS airport now? It feels like it when MX is trying to run CAK-RDU with these subsidies. Breeze serves CVG despite DAY b...
Jump to postwhat a waste of money--shame on Ohioians for allowing the State to create an agency like this How many CAK MX destinations would there be without the assistance? Will MX make a commitment to CAK once the funds dry up or will they make a full move to CLE where they have probably have a better chance...
Jump to postF9 leases three gates. NK leases 2. They are not month-to-month. CLE website says that the airport has 13 common use gates and I would suspect NK/F9 leases to be among them. Unlike preferential use gate leases, the airport controls the gates and can potentially use them for other airlines when not ...
Jump to postDoes Frontier even lease gates or are they month to month? F9 leases three gates. NK leases 2. They are not month-to-month. CLE website says that the airport has 13 common use gates and I would suspect NK/F9 leases to be among them. Unlike preferential use gate leases, the airport controls the gate...
Jump to postWhile I agree that the ULCC won't disappear I would wonder: 1) Are the ULCC's at CLE reaching point of saturation. Over on the F9 thread JPlatts has a great new post with the lowest load factors on F9 routes and many of the newer routes from CLE show up-- granted I need to be careful because the da...
Jump to postBWI is too far from the fastest growing parts of the region. Those areas literally surround IAD. I don’t think a different BWI build out would have changed anything.
Jump to postI’m thinking their “customer experience” is finally catching up with the airline. It wasn’t so long ago when analysts thought you could nickel-and-dime a product to death. Now we’re finding the bar can be set only so low. Not sure how F9 can reinvent itself as many travelers now associate Frontier w...
Jump to postQuick stop at BKL today - some people park their cars right at the terminal door/entryway and leave for hours (at least 2 hours while I was there today) and no one is towed. I paid the $7 to park. Immaculate inside, best restrooms and coldest water in town if you're out exercising. Other than that,...
Jump to postWrong again, CAK-BNA was one of MX top routes to BNA before Allegiant began to fly the route. Breeze discontinued all routes to BNA. So no, there is no MX CAK-BNA, the route is now served by Allegiant. Can you show me the LFs when MX CAK-BNA was doing well? WN does dominate this with daily frequenc...
Jump to postThe relatively massive expansion by Breeze at RSW was always odd to me. As long as Breeze is based out of CAK it's going to struggle to maintain consistency in the NE Ohio market and is going to be second fiddle to F9/NK/WN. Too many ULCC/LCC options out of CLE currently. There is no struggling by ...
Jump to postI don't believe the recent AC handling shakeup is related specifically to CLE. I think either UA or AC has decided they want to outsource customer service and ramp handling at smaller US stations. AC is now at C14. I think they went to A1 to accomodate the handler but I do know the jetbridge is not ...
Jump to postAccording to Cirium, Breeze will axe sixteen routes next year, many of which were only announced a few months ago: MCO-MSY/SNA MSY-RSW/TUL/XNA PBI-CAK/CHS RSW-CAK/CMH/PIT/PWM/RDU/RIC/SDF/SYR TPA-CMH Clearly RSW picked the short straw. Yeesh. The relatively massive expansion by Breeze at RSW was alw...
Jump to postI didn't realize YUL hadn't returned for you guys. We got YUL back at PIT this past spring, and being upgauged to an E175 in 2024..... plus going 3x daily on an E175 to YYZ. Why is AC building up PIT faster when CLE is such a strong *A city? Is it because CLE is flowing more UA traffic over other h...
Jump to postncflyer wrote:Speaking of EI.
Anyone want to go to Dublin 10/13?
$275 one way. Yikes. Return next Friday for slightly more.
History of the land swap case: In 2001, Cleveland entered into a contract with 300 homeowners to buy their land. The city honored 225 contracts then simply ignored the last 75. Cleveland's argument being the runway was not going to be expanded and the city, at the time, was in severe financial troub...
Jump to postUAs FF base at CLE probably isn’t helping SLC either. Most of the year UA CLE has 2x daily LAX, SFO and 4-5x daily DEN. Pretty much puts a blanket on switching over to DL for SLC connection opportunities. Also the CLE/CMH 70 daily PDEW amount is without a non-stop. We all know once a route starts th...
Jump to postCLE didn't get SLC but does have TATL service to DUB. Can't win 'em all. Agree. CLE also added back SAN and SJU. It's been a pretty good year for route expansion. SLC is still likely coming. So tired of the MSA/CSA thing on here. Are airlines even looking at this stuff? Not sure. I do think it woul...
Jump to postFrontier Holdings cut its 3Q guidance, to reflect a "recent significant unexpected change in the booking trajectory along with higher fuel prices and a greater volume of recent operational cancellations than forecast." They now expect to post a loss for the quarter. SEC filing https://ir....
Jump to postI have friends/family on both sides of the border at Juarez and El Paso. It’s not going to be in the next ten US cities landing Europe service I can tell you that. So what are your ten? Unlike El Paso/Juarez, STL is a declining city and still succeeded with transatlantic service on Lufthansa. I wou...
Jump to postToday cleveland is down 2 runways. Experienced a 20 min takeoff delay at 9 am due to traffic ( not a normal Cle experience). Additional traffic with diversions. Note that air Canada has moved to C14. Passengers were not happy on A due to distance from United club 14 Check NOTAMS and only found this...
Jump to postToday cleveland is down 2 runways. Experienced a 20 min takeoff delay at 9 am due to traffic ( not a normal Cle experience). Additional traffic with diversions. Note that air Canada has moved to C14. Passengers were not happy on A due to distance from United club 14 The A1 jetbridge where AC was lo...
Jump to postSome sked adjustments for Frontier from mid February through early March: CLE-MCO: 4.7 CLE-TPA: 4.7 CLE-RSW: 3.0 CLE-PHX: 2.0 CLE-CUN: 1.0 CLE-SRQ: 1.0 CLE-LAS: 1.0 CLE-FLL: 1.0 CLE-MIA: 0.7 CLE-SJU: 0.6 CLE-PUJ: 0.4 CLE-DEN: 0.3 20.4 daily average 5 times a day to Orlando and Tampa most days of th...
Jump to postThe largest non-US/Mexico/Canada markets from each UA hub based on O&D revenue alone. Numbers are rounded to nearest thousand. Served Markets EWR LHR - $452K TLV - $309K CDG - $140K FCO - $128K GRU - $107K SFO LHR - $405K TLV - $146K CDG - $130K ZRH - $98K MUC - $92K ORD LHR - $174K GRU - $66K ...
Jump to postI’ve also experienced the F9 bag check chaos. Was flying CLE SJU in June and they actually called all passengers flying to SJU and let us move to the front of the line because it was so long. Otherwise we would’ve missed our flight. They could use more counter space and staff for the level of servi...
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