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by morrisond
Tue Jun 05, 2018 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

I'll say it again as I've said many times - NMA will most likely be an 2x3x2 Oval with a Container something like a 2' Wider LD3-45 in the belly - maybe 5-6" higher. Then they can reuse the Cross Section and Nose for NSA. It just makes a lot of sense. Except that kind of cross section would no...

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by morrisond
Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

I'll say it again as I've said many times - NMA will most likely be an 2x3x2 Oval with a Container something like a 2' Wider LD3-45 in the belly - maybe 5-6" higher. Then they can reuse the Cross Section and Nose for NSA. It just makes a lot of sense.

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by morrisond
Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing weighs using Dreamlifters to increase 767 output.
Replies: 61
Views: 13819

Re: Boeing weighs using Dreamlifters to increase 767 output.

2 Questions - How many tankers per year are they going to build under the existing contract with the Air Force - Secondly - it's rumored that they might replace all there KC135/KC30's with the 767 Tanker. If this happens how long and at what rates would the line go on for?

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by morrisond
Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing crushes earnings estimates, raises 2018 forecast
Replies: 99
Views: 10299

Re: Boeing crushes earnings estimates, raises 2018 forecast

So if Executives receive Equity as part of there comp - they want the price to go down?

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by morrisond
Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing crushes earnings estimates, raises 2018 forecast
Replies: 99
Views: 10299

Re: Boeing crushes earnings estimates, raises 2018 forecast

For what it's worth, the compensation plan for Boeing's senior executives is disclosed in the proxy statement. I don't think stock price plays into how much they make. Are you for real? https://www1.salary.com/BOEING-CO-Executive-Salaries.html You claimed executives want to inflate the stock price ...

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by morrisond
Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Entirely CFRP 777x?
Replies: 12
Views: 1789

Re: Entirely CFRP 777x?

If they had gone full CFRP they would have been a lot smarter to do to the 787 what they did to the 767 to make the 777. Reuse the 787 Cockpit and Major systems - but widened the Fuselage to an Oval 11W. They could probably have done this at a lot less weight than the 777X - ending up with an 787 11...

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by morrisond
Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus weighs response if Boeing launches new mid-market model
Replies: 1000
Views: 202251

Re: Airbus weighs response if Boeing launches new mid-market model

Keesje - You are very talented - I would love to see you do the same type of Analysis and show the same graphics with a 7W NMA Concept - Double Circle - NSA XL type of Concept. You might have already done it though. With a 36" wider LD3-45 in the Belly.

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

For some reason we don't see many aircraft designed from the beginning for ACT fuel storage. Typically only "ultra long range" or "business jet" variants. ACTs themselves bring issues. I understand they're quite heavy and a pain to maneuver in the hold. You also need to have to ...

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study
Replies: 314
Views: 39673

Re: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study

7 abreast has no sense from Airline POW, it's either 6 or 8. from pax POW 7 or 5 are very good... but the economy always wins over comfort (unless you have a thick wallet and want to fly in biz or Y+). Still airlines have to save money to fence attacks against ULCC. If you are not doing Circular cr...

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study
Replies: 314
Views: 39673

Re: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study

Quite right - If Boeing does an 7W NMA (NSA XL) and NSA reusing a lot of the same parts as NMA (Tail, Barrels, Systems, Possibly tail) - I don't think an A320 Based A322/323 will cut it. Just the extra premium revenue Boeing will get from the 2x will give it a significant advantage and help it fight...

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study
Replies: 314
Views: 39673

Re: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study

Keesje - I've asked before - why wouldn't NMA be an 7W Ovoid big wing version of the NSA - much along the lines of your A322/A323 Studies Boeing could do that. But then Airbus responds with an identical plane scaled up 10% to allow 8abreast. We then have a repeat of the 767 Vs A330 where Airbus wou...

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study
Replies: 314
Views: 39673

Re: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study

We don't know ,but that is why there has been so much talk about complex lower drag ovoid shapes.The better wing may well overcome the drag penalty. I wouldn't have an issue with the aerodynamics of a Ovoid being ok but the weight of the thing is the issue (and that drives the size of the wing so t...

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by morrisond
Thu Apr 19, 2018 1:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

Keesje - What would you say about your A322 Idea? Would that have too much range? What if NMA is an NSA XL with different wing/wingbox/gear - 7W Oval Fuselage with Xtra Wide LD3-45 in the belly - yes it would possibly weigh more than an A322 but not that much more. Envision sitting in an A320 - then...

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by morrisond
Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

Comments like Air Canada's keeps me thinking that my guess below is going to be right - NMA will be an NSA XL or Plus Plus in Airbus Speak - it's not going to be an 8W Oval that can take LD2's - especially with Boeing putting more money into 787-8. NMA needs to be a lot lighter. You also have to rem...

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

Theoretically if you made the base of an an LD3-45 wider - from 62" to 98", and assume the internal depth is about 56" (outside depth 60" or about two rows), and with about 41" internal height - you pick up 82,656 Cu In of Volume. A standard Airline bag has max linear dimen...

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

Theoretically if you made the base of an an LD3-45 wider - from 62" to 98", and assume the internal depth is about 56" (outside depth 60" or about two rows), and with about 41" internal height - you pick up 82,656 Cu In of Volume. A standard Airline bag has max linear dimens...

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

With Mullenberg talking 4,000-5,000 NMA that has me still thinking that NMA will be a 7W and use a lot of the same parts as NSA. Albeit with a different wingbox/wings and probably folding tips to fit in 737 gates. Basically NMA will be an NSA XL. But done first to get the bugs out at lower volumes, ...

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study
Replies: 314
Views: 39673

Re: Airbus shelves A320neo-plus study

Even if the MOM Market is 1000 planes. Spreading 20B$ across 1000 planes is already 20M a piece that you can't discuss away..... Is it half that, then 40M etc. Some counter points: Boeing CEO just said he sees the market as 4000 frames. Even if they get half, it's 2000 frames. This is not a $20B pr...

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by morrisond
Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

- So if Boeing would decide to make it a .85 airplane, it would not be a good short-haul aircraft anymore - Or Boeing decides to cover short ranges as good as possible too and as a result, the cruise speed would have to be lowered You're conflating "not good" and "less good." Ye...

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by morrisond
Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A321LR Seychelles to Toulouse Non-Stop 11 hours
Replies: 188
Views: 30544

Re: Airbus A321LR Seychelles to Toulouse Non-Stop 11 hours

What will be interesting is how far a 2026-2028 A321LR will go with further improvements to the engines(without new engines). 10% Better? That's getting a lot closer to 5000NM - that is what Boeing has to design against.

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by morrisond
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

They could simply build a new larger 136" W LD3-45 that's not extendible and create a new standard. If they use MOM as the NSA Cross section there will be lots of containers around.

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by morrisond
Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

I would have to disagree a bit on Boeing getting it right lately. Other than the 787 all those programs were launched decades ago. In recent history they have been mostly been doing derivatives and they have not turned as good as one would hope. 757-3 - Failure 767-4 - Failure 748i - Failure 737 Max...

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by morrisond
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

I'm in the 7AB camp as well - I think it is the smart thing to do, as it gives them a cross section they can use in the future for the NSA. That being said I'm not sure this current crop of Boeing management really think that far into the future, being more concerned about the share price in the sho...

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by morrisond
Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

"It should be noted that in his presentation to PNAA, Tinseth shows the NMA replacing the A330/340, the 767 and 777-200ER/300. Missing are the 757, larger 737s and the 787-8—a selective set of examples, noted a few delegates afterward." This was a comment from yesterday. To me this gives m...

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by morrisond
Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

Yes a 7AB MOM/NSA will have more aisle width than a 3x3 - but in an oval - it's only about 18.5%(163"x185" Oval) more Cross section Area than an A320. For that extra cross section you could go 1x1x1 with Sleeper seats in the front, a Nice 2x2x2 Transcon Business, that gives you potentially...

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by morrisond
Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPS launches its longest ever flight SDF-DXB on 747-8F
Replies: 50
Views: 9090

Re: UPS launches its longest ever flight SDF-DXB on 747-8F

I suspect it's not carrying a lot from SDF to DXB....It should have the same fuel capacity as the 8i so the range with light load should be no problem. The other legs don't seem to be that long.

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by morrisond
Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350-2000 Doable with new technologies, more potential with 787 : Bregier
Replies: 74
Views: 15040

Re: A350-2000 Doable with new technologies, more potential with 787 : Bregier

One B787-10ER would be a A350 killer........one B787-10 with 7500nm would be the number 1 in the widebodies world. No it would be a waste of money. Pure fantasy on this forum. The 787-10 currently hits maximum takeoff weight with a normal payload and about 80% fuel capacity. It can only fill its fu...

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by morrisond
Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

It sounds like they just may be contemplating launching MOM and NSA at the same time using the same nose/barrel with two different wings/wing boxes.

Here comes the 7w oval!

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by morrisond
Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?
Replies: 63
Views: 7390

Re: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?

A big problem with such an aircraft, at least with battery tech that is even close to what is feasible today, is the massive size of the battery that is inevitably needed just for take-off, which then becomes dead weight through the rest of the trip. Just some back of the envelope calculation here,...

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by morrisond
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?
Replies: 63
Views: 7390

Is it time for Three Engine Hybrid Aircraft?

Just thinking out loud and to give us something to debate. Given current battery technology how efficient could a 787 sized aircraft be with 35K GTF's (or less as you have three supplies and can get away with less for engine out situations) under the wings and a 40-45K electric Motor in the tail for...

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by morrisond
Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 B747 The last of the four engine airliners?
Replies: 32
Views: 2889

Re: A380 B747 The last of the four engine airliners?

I do not think we will see new 4 engined airliners designed like the 4 engined airplanes of today. But regarding new designs it could change. If somebody finds a good way to use 4 engines at takeoff but only 2 at cruise for example. Two engines build like engines today with 2 more APU like engines ...

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by morrisond
Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 B747 The last of the four engine airliners?
Replies: 32
Views: 2889

Re: A380 B747 The last of the four engine airliners?

I do see a certain future for 4-engined airliners albeit in a slightly different manner. Hybrid-powered aircraft will pop up some day and i can see them take off with regular jetengines of some sort and then switch over to electric powered cruise and descent. This may take a while, but I really see...

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by morrisond
Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

Design it for 4.5K to start and overtime (by mid 2030's) I'm sure with PIP's and optimization it will grow to be a 5.5K aircraft.

They have to think about how the aircraft will evolve over time. If they start at 5.5k it will end up being a 6.5-7.0k frame in 15-20 years from EIS.

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by morrisond
Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus And Boeing 2017 Orders
Replies: 645
Views: 158834

Re: Airbus And Boeing 2017 Orders

Does anyone know the backlog of 737max and A320neos? as far as I can make it ...... A32X NEO November total A319 - 51, A320 - 3691,A321 - 1512, Total - 5254 December orders so far Indigo partners A320 - 274, A321 - 156, Total - 430 Delta A321 - 100, Total - 100 VIVA A320 - 35, A321 - 15 , Total - 5...

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by morrisond
Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:12 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Best Replacement Engines for the B52
Replies: 97
Views: 15744

Re: Best Replacement Engines for the B52

The B21 should be in production well before 2030 - just use the funds to build more of them or speed up production and stop putting more money into the B-52. The TF-33 may not be sustainable for the full fleet after 2030 - but they should have enough parts or canabalize other planes to gradually ret...

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by morrisond
Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Super rich want supersonic bomber as business jet
Replies: 71
Views: 23667

Re: Super rich want supersonic bomber as business jet

Answering my own question - A321 Cruise Speed M.78 or about 515mph, Sonic Cruiser About M.97 or 650 - almost 30% faster. New York to London average time 7.5 Hours - the sonic Cruiser would chop about 1.5 Hours off the time, do it in , London to New York averages 8.5 - Sonic Cruiser 6.75 Hours saving...

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by morrisond
Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Super rich want supersonic bomber as business jet
Replies: 71
Views: 23667

Re: Super rich want supersonic bomber as business jet

With the coming proliferation of Slow Single Aisles on Transatlantic Routes - how much time would a Sonic Cruiser shave off the run? With winds and against winds? I'm assuming the Sonic Cruiser would get up to Altitude a lot faster as well.

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by morrisond
Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

Keesje - What about including the Leeham MOM7 image as well - 178" H x 194"W

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by morrisond
Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus weighs response if Boeing launches new mid-market model
Replies: 1000
Views: 202251

Re: Airbus weighs response if Boeing launches new mid-market model

If Airbus was to put the Wing and Engines from the A321 on the A320 or A320.5 with the A321LR's MTOW - what kind of range could they get out of it? Or is it's Fuel Capacity so restricted that the range wouldn't be any more than the 321LR that to go farther you would have to use up even more LD3-45 p...

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by morrisond
Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus weighs response if Boeing launches new mid-market model
Replies: 1000
Views: 202251

Re: Airbus weighs response if Boeing launches new mid-market model

Given Airbus's purchase of the C-Series - I can't see the NMA being anything other than a 7W Ovoid Fuselage so it can be reused for NSA. 8W and 9W are just way too big. The 8W and 9W solution seems to be an A-Net created Design. I might have missed something but where has there been any information ...

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by morrisond
Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Finnair starts weighting some passengers voluntarily
Replies: 32
Views: 6369

Re: Finnair starts weighting some passengers voluntarily

The much easier way to do it would be to put a fully fueled ready to go Plane on Scales. Then take the weight - then add the crew - take the weight, add the luggage - take the weight and then add the passengers and take the weight again. I found pictures of scales the plane would just roll onto (an...

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by morrisond
Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Finnair starts weighting some passengers voluntarily
Replies: 32
Views: 6369

Re: Finnair starts weighting some passengers voluntarily

The much easier way to do it would be to put a fully fueled ready to go Plane on Scales. Then take the weight - then add the crew - take the weight, add the luggage - take the weight and then add the passengers and take the weight again. I found pictures of scales the plane would just roll onto (and...

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by morrisond
Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

Given the Bombardier/Airbus announcement of a partnership on the C-Series - this may cause Boeing to due some new calculus on the MOM. I would guess Airbus expands the CS to 500 and 700 versions possibly with a new wing which allows them to focus on the A320/A321 size and either speed up a rewing in...

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by morrisond
Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

Because Qantas is not looking for range but for a higher-capacity aircraft that is lighter than B787/A330. And they aren't the only ones. Add to the low weight the state-of-the-art engines and systems and aerodynamics and a lot of airlines will be interested. The real question is can Boeing hit ALL...

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by morrisond
Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

That would probably be too much capacity to what have been proposed, hence most likely it won't go to 8-abreast, and could instead be 7-abreast. As a widebody it could also start at a length shorter than A321 7 abreast can't match the economics of a 6 abreast. Assuming 18inch seats and 18inch aisle...

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by morrisond
Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

Here is a good graphic of what the 797 cross section will more likely be - compared to those above and below. I think this is pretty much on the money. https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/iaCbn.xvLeMXbRHkUN0vPA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9MTAyNDtxPTk1O3c9OTk5/http://leehamnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/0...

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by morrisond
Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

As has been pointed out many times a Composite barrel in this size class has excess strength due to have to account for impact loads. It may have the extra strength needed for an oval.

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by morrisond
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

Here is a good graphic of what the 797 cross section will more likely be - compared to those above and below. I think this is pretty much on the money. https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/iaCbn.xvLeMXbRHkUN0vPA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9MTAyNDtxPTk1O3c9OTk5/http://leehamnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04...

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by morrisond
Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2318
Views: 293756

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

Scores of thousands of kilograms less weight is what justifies it. The 787-8 has an OEM OEW of 118,000kg. I expect MoM to come in around the 85,000 kilogram mark (around a 767-300ER). That is over 50,000 kilograms lighter and that is going to be huge in terms of trip fuel savings. That will also al...

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by morrisond
Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:58 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Inflight Refueling Deleted from AF-1 Replacement
Replies: 57
Views: 5018

Re: Inflight Refueling Deleted from AF-1 Replacement

If you believe that, then you should know the current AF-1 does not have a 14 hour range as stated. The empty weight of the aircraft is almost 100,000 lbs heavier than a comparable airline version. All I can do is report what I have seen. Of course, your source does not say what "always suppor...

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