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by Revelation
Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Based on this article, I think the biggest roadblock to finalizing the deal were the engines. From the article, Rolls has pulled their pledge to upgrade the engine and would ask for more money for new engines: " As Rolls retrenches under CEO Warren East, a similar offer is off the table, along...

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by Revelation
Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Bregier's quote re committing to a MASSIVE future upgrade as part of commitment required by EK pricked my ears up. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-16/airbus-a380-deal-requires-pledge-to-build-jet-for-further-decade gives us some context: Airbus is caught between its desire to extend...

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by Revelation
Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Sexual Assault - all of it
Replies: 57
Views: 1369

Re: Sexual Assault - all of it

So, for every "but Clinton!!!" post, there needs to be a "Clarence Thomas" rebuttal. All the righties crying and screaming about how awful Bill was, let's not forget how Clarence Thomas was and that he refused to recuse himself from specific cases. Not picking on you specificall...

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by Revelation
Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

But since we're blowing out of proportion, Airbus could offer a redesigned wing with other optimizations and the T7000 / GEnx until the end of next decade (new gen NEO), and ask EK for a 30 year commitment. :lol: Well, to stick it back into proportion - the two parties could widen the discussion to...

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by Revelation
Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Airbus told us earlier this year that the A380 is not profitable at 12/year. They called the loss "not material to Airbus" but no one knows exactly how high it is. I know of no way for them to increase profit going down to 8/year, so it's virtually guaranteed that the loss will be greater...

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by Revelation
Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Hi-Fly is still a mystery : who are they placing their 1 or 2 aircrafts with, do you think ? Are they really from MH ? Zeke provided us with a link, that says they will operate them „on behalf of a well-known European operator“. So it’s not MH. My questions were which well known European operator &...

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by Revelation
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:51 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Sexual Assault - all of it
Replies: 57
Views: 1369

Re: Sexual Assault - all of it

I punched and kicked back enough to make a hasty escape. And I immediately ran to report it to the staff. Wherein I was punished for being inside the building during lunch period... and Gary never faced any disciplinary action that I know of. Thanks for sharing the difficult stories. I'm wondering ...

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by Revelation
Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

So let me post a somewhat silly question, if they really wanted to send a message about the A380 why not order the next largest a/c available, if they had placed an order for 40 748i rather than 40 787-10 which in no way compete with the A380 what would the message have been? After all, they alread...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Bombardier Announce CSeries Partnership
Replies: 1552
Views: 114676

Re: Airbus and Bombardier Announce CSeries Partnership

In https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/why-airbus-ceo-tom-enders-decided-to-take-over-bombardiers-cseries/article37019891/ we are told that Airbus CEO Tom Enders closed the deal based on gut instinct: Why would Airbus take over an aircraft program the company's chief salesman mocked a...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Some very recent and fairly conciliatory quotes from Enders via https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/why-airbus-ceo-tom-enders-decided-to-take-over-bombardiers-cseries/article37019891/ On Airbus's failure to sell any A380s to Emirates during the recent Dubai Airshow and watching the ai...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:05 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Model 3 ‘Hell’ Is Burning Tesla’s Other Projects
Replies: 21
Views: 956

Re: Model 3 ‘Hell’ Is Burning Tesla’s Other Projects

It's really just like the Boeing 787, except this is way less severe. The product is much simpler. The customers will wait for the product. In one year, nobody will remember the Model 3 had a delayed volume production. If anything, short term constraints will ADD to the buzz. Few remember the 787 p...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

But the simpler - cleaner - way of doing it would have been for Emirates to walk away from the negotiations altogether at some earlier point. Airbus would surely have paid attention to that. mariner But it's not just about Airbus. It's about Airbus, engines and finance. And it's not just about the ...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

mariner wrote:
And in so doing felt it necessary to publicly belittle the other team? There's a simpler, cleaner, more private way of doing it.

How do you know the private approach hasn't been tried already and was not working?

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:38 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Sexual Assault - all of it
Replies: 57
Views: 1369

Re: Sexual Assault - all of it

A few years ago I would go to parties with friends almost every weekend. Numerous times I would witness groping. At that time I thought it was just playful. Thankfully I realized how bad it was and to never commit such acts. But what I find most shocking with these allegations and this thread is th...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Emirates does not want to go back to EA but any new order will be open to competition, just like its previous orders. As previously the best deal for Emirates at the time won. The translation reads: Emirates, which, having powered its first 90 engines Engine Alliance composed of General Electric an...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:24 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Sexual Assault - all of it
Replies: 57
Views: 1369

Re: Sexual Assault - all of it

It's all a big mess. We don't stop becoming mammals when we go to work. I met my former wife at work. Clearly she was using the workplace along with every other venue available to her to evaluate potential husbands. That's just life. In my 20s when I was single I've had fellow co-workers hit on me a...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

The second Flightglobal article is dated today November 17...it doesn't contradict the first one dated November 14...it supersedes it... You are free to see it that way, but I put a lot more credence in a quote from STC versus a one-liner in an opinion piece that could be a simple mis-interpretatio...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Air Berlin to cease operations
Replies: 957
Views: 140388

Re: Updated: Air Berlin to cease operations

Seahawk, we live in a Democracy. The government does not "give", they just take in the form of taxes and they do not discriminate by giving conditions others may not get. There are rules how Slots are allocated and the handling contracts and landing fees are subject to individual contract...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:52 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Sexual Assault - all of it
Replies: 57
Views: 1369

Re: Sexual Assault - all of it

I shouted out, "Who killed the Kennedys?", when after all, it was you and me... I pity the people who'll have to judge between abuse of power versus normal human sexual tension playing itself out. Yes, with Weinstein we see him applying the same move for decades and getting away with it, a...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

It can be personal and it can be cold - LOL. It can be personal and it can be strategic too. As I said earlier, if you have a deal-breaker that isn't resolved, why pretend there is a deal? To deliver the message that they're very serious about getting the longevity issue sorted out right now after ...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders pt2
Replies: 91
Views: 19059

Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders pt2

Revelation wrote: 787-10 is the opposite of that. Trades range for more payload i.e. the stretched fuselage. More asses in more seats, but so what, it's not pushing any limits. The 787-10 will be an excellent aircraft as it can replace both the A332 and A333 in airline fleets. QANTAS have expresed ...

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by Revelation
Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

The T7000 is not too heavy for the A380. The T7000 should have roughly the same weight as the T1000-TEN. It's the same engine, just has the bleed system from the XWB. That would be the only weight increase. So should still be pretty close to the T900. Somewhere between the T1000-TEN and the TXWB an...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Bregier sounding very confident about the deal being closed soon.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqPepwHmleY http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19966233#p19965969 #138 and #139 suggest that the deal is very close (and it has been all along) and the only real sticking point is how muc...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders pt2
Replies: 91
Views: 19059

Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders pt2

I think the 787-10 will sell a whole lot of units. As EK noted it does 85% of its routes, so it is excellent on all those existing 767ER, and A330 routes at some of the lowest seat mile costs. The last 2 decades drive for long range has been satisfied, with the A350 and A380, and the 787 and 777. B...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

The translation reads: Emirates, which, having powered its first 90 engines Engine Alliance composed of General Electric and Pratt & Whithney, had changed suppliers in 2015 by passing Rolls Royce would, according to industry sources, return to Engine Alliance. [...] Fair enough. You are reading...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Considering no one on this forum and no one in any of the press was remotely considering anything to do with Airbus A380's at the Dubai show (why would they?) EK's chairman floated the idea of an A380 order just 10 days before DAS17, at the delivery ceremony for the 100th A380. Hope they can sort i...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Revelation, When Emirates opened the competition for its last order it did not WANT to order RR but it WOULD if it it was the best deal, so they DID. You seem to be using the translation for something that is just not there. Fair enough. You are reading "would" in the sense of "possi...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Emirates does not want to go back to EA but any new order will be open to competition, just like its previous orders. As previously the best deal for Emirates at the time won. The translation reads: Emirates, which, having powered its first 90 engines Engine Alliance composed of General Electric an...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

But I don't get your statement regarding the pylons. EA-engines are still an option for A380s. So why would it need redoing? The statement was that the winglets were designed presuming RR's pylons and nacelles. If you go to EA's pylons and nacelles, then the winglet design work needs to be redone d...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

On the contrary, they are forcing RR into investing if they want to keep the market. Standard Game Theory tug-of-war. Does Game Theory include a "blood from a turnip" axiom? If you've seen RR's financials, I think you'll know where I'm going. Besides, EK used that gambit to get RR to PIP ...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Just to put the cat among the pigeons, Emirates wants to go back to EA motors for this order. All the work done on the wing and pylons by Airbus would need redoing. Their analysis for the A380plus was done using data for RR engined aircraft. Source: http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/indus...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA reported to be in talks to acquire SQ A380s
Replies: 78
Views: 16546

Re: BA reported to be in talks to acquire SQ A380s

Lifted from the EK 787-10 thread, we see when EK took on its A380s. Year__B777, A380 1998 - 1,0 1999 - 2,0 2001 - 1,0 2002 - 3,0 2003 - 0,0 2004 - 0,0 2005 - 10,0 2006 - 12,0 2007 - 11,0 2008 - 12,4 2009 - 17,3 2010 - 3,8 2011 - 12,5 2012 - 22,11 2013 - 11,13 2014 - 14,13 2015 - 11,15 2016 - 16,20 2...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Yeah that probably came off harsher than I meant it. I understand the tension. You work in the profession, have the training and the tools to do deep analysis and are surrounded by colleagues who do this work all day and support your work. We're amateurs here and are using spreadsheets based on aca...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Bombardier Announce CSeries Partnership
Replies: 1552
Views: 114676

Re: Airbus and Bombardier Announce CSeries Partnership

[ On a good day, most of us here recognise you have a sensible take on things. On a bad day, you & I can scrap like a pair of alley cats. :rotfl: Let's start out as if today is a good day! Yup, I agree with your analysis. And Boeing are of course going to pursue this line of attack. No surprise...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

If you care to read my several posts on the A380, I show that both Airbus & EK need the A380 from an Economics point of view ( not financial ). One of the things that I appreciate about your field - the reason I always enjoyed my classes in it - is that economics requires some numerical argumen...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

Instead we see both programs continue to make frames at uneconomic rates with no end date in place. I think this is because of the usually significant cost impact of closing down a production line. Neither Airbus nor Boeing want to close a production line unless they absolutely have to. Yes, it's a...

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

While game theory almost always plays a role I suspect that the financial fundamentals are governing most of this. Airbus will do well without the 380, EK will do OK without the 380. It is essential to neither. I suspect that EK would like more 380s more than the board of Airbus wants to sell them....

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by Revelation
Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RR Ultrafan, if it achieves the goals, will it be a game changer? A380NEO b797 etc.
Replies: 9
Views: 2068

Re: RR Ultrafan, if it achieves the goals, will it be a game changer? A380NEO b797 etc.

i really wanna leran more about it. Some discussion going on in our tech ops forum, in particular http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=776613 ... Oh thank you very much for sharing the link. I just read it, but there is not much about the RR Ultra-Fan. I actually hoped that there ...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Narrowbody order bubble?
Replies: 29
Views: 3555

Re: Narrowbody order bubble?

The Airbus narrow body backlog was nearly 5,500 frames before the Dubai Air Show and we will see that backlog having grown in Dubai. That is at the planed future production rate of 60 frames a month, 720 frames a year, still a 7.6 year backlog. The current orders are about getting slots many years ...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RR Ultrafan, if it achieves the goals, will it be a game changer? A380NEO b797 etc.
Replies: 9
Views: 2068

Re: RR Ultrafan, if it achieves the goals, will it be a game changer? A380NEO b797 etc.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=776613 ...
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adorelerock wrote:
i really wanna leran more about it.

Some discussion going on in our tech ops forum, in particular viewtopic.php?f=5&t=776613 ...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380
Replies: 679
Views: 91199

Re: Airbus Working With Emirates on New Order for Flagship A380

I will stay with my first thought. There was no need for either EK or Airbus to come to an agreement this year. Two years from now the order book will still have 3 years worth of orders. The timing of the orders is important, not just the total. Airbus has open production slots in 2019 and 2020 tha...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Bombardier Announce CSeries Partnership
Replies: 1552
Views: 114676

Re: Airbus and Bombardier Announce CSeries Partnership

Maybe some of our French speakers can comment on the translation. Here it is in English: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-15/boeing-scorns-airbus-bombardier-plan-for-c-series-plant-in-u-s Very interesting, thanks! A quick quote from the article: Bombardier doesn’t “have enough orders...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Bombardier Announce CSeries Partnership
Replies: 1552
Views: 114676

Re: Airbus and Bombardier Announce CSeries Partnership

Interesting tweet ( https://twitter.com/LeehamNews/status/930813489815392257 ) from Scott Hamilton referring to http://tinyurl.com/yauxcwjw : The English Google translation: Boeing doesn't think @Bombardier will build a Mobile plant because of lack of demand, calls the @Airbus #CSeries deal irreleva...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA reported to be in talks to acquire SQ A380s
Replies: 78
Views: 16546

Re: BA reported to be in talks to acquire SQ A380s

While they older SQ birds may have technical complexities making them less desirable than the new-build ones BA received, would the weight penalty matter much if their intended use is primarily bouncing across the pond? The primary issue is the cost of re-wiring them to BA's configuration and then ...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Airbus Orders pt 2
Replies: 147
Views: 30760

Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Airbus Orders pt 2

That kind of thinking has saddled Boeing with sizeable losses on the 748i. . There is no reason to believe AB won't be making money on each A380 they deliver now and in the future, regardless of production turning red again. There are lots of invoices to be written once the aircraft is out of the d...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Air Berlin to cease operations
Replies: 957
Views: 140388

Re: Updated: Air Berlin to cease operations

Andy33 wrote:
Qatar? Wouldn't she have flown to Abu Dhabi?
And flying between the two is a little difficult right now so realising you had the wrong Gulf state could cause an international incident.

Thanks for pouncing on what clearly was a brain fart. It speaks volumes.

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Narrowbody order bubble?
Replies: 29
Views: 3555

Re: Narrowbody order bubble?

I think there is something of a mania going on, but both A and B have years-long backlogs and it'd take a prolonged severe economic crisis for problems to arise. For instance in the 2008 GFC we saw some throttling back of production, some orders dropped and some orders re-shuffled, but in large both...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA reported to be in talks to acquire SQ A380s
Replies: 78
Views: 16546

Re: BA reported to be in talks to acquire SQ A380s

I'm an A380 fan, but even I know that these particular birds will always be odd-balls (odd-birds?). They have their own certificates... Yeah, but what does that mean for the airline (financially and "operationally")? Is it really that bad? I mean, it's not like it's really a different typ...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Air Berlin to cease operations
Replies: 957
Views: 140388

Re: Updated: Air Berlin to cease operations

Lufthansa has an involuntary Monopoly, that seems to be not understood. There's Little LH can do about that. Puttig a million seats at return fares under € 100 on the market may be an act of Goodwill but it won't make everyone happy. Least not those who see dark powers at work. Can't help them anyh...

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by Revelation
Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders pt2
Replies: 91
Views: 19059

Re: Dubai Air Show 2017 - Boeing Orders pt2

boefan wrote:
Just got a memo that the Jet Airways deal might materialize tomorrow . Hope it will :pray: :crossfingers:

So much for the theory that air shows don't matter.

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